NT Runners and Running Gear Thread

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Finally broke 50 minutes in the 15k today 
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. Feels good man. 
 
^^nice....wat shoes?

Wats wrong with nikes for running?
 
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^^nice....wat shoes?

Wats wrong with nikes for running?
In my opinion nothing. I may be an outlier but I think people put to much emphasis on the differences between brands. At the end of the day they are all some form of EVA. It just comes down to personal preference and what feels best. That being said I ran in Lunarspiders today. Best flat for road racing! 
 
Indoor track starts tomorrow 

Time to put in some miles 

Hopefully the sidewalks and roads aren't too icy 

Went to go for a run today and was 
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Snow in bike lanes/icy sidewalks 

Ended up staying on my street/back and forth until people started noticing me I was running in circles

Then went inside 

#NTRUNNINGCLUB
 
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Indoor track starts tomorrow 

Time to put in some miles 

Hopefully the sidewalks and roads aren't too icy 

Went to go for a run today and was 
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Snow in bike lanes/icy sidewalks 

Ended up staying on my street/back and forth until people started noticing me I was running in circles

Then went inside 

#NTRUNNINGCLUB
College or HS track? Either way, good luck.
 
Update to my pick up gear and shoes I posted yesterday.

I was on the fence and bought the Altra Instinct 2.0's on impulse. Thought they were a good deal at $73. Then today on Cyber Monday I get a email since I have Active.com advantage membership they had the shoes for $38 today in a dope black & silver color way. After shipping & tax it came out to $49.00 shipped.

The one's I picked the other day were Blue which sucked since my Brooks Ghost 7's are Blue.

Tonight after I got my 5 mile run in. I went back to Road Runner sports and returned the blue Altra Instinct 2.0's. Glad I didn't take those for a test run tonight because all I would have been able to get is store credit or a even exchange.

So right now my shoe rotation for running is:

Brooks Ghost 7's
Hoka One One Clifton's
Altra Instinct 2.0's

My pair of Nike Free 4.0's for when I hit the gym to run on the damn dread mill and do free weights.
 
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How is it inaccurate?

In how much calories you burnt? In the distance you've ran? In the amount of time you've ran?

I mean in the end of the day a run is a run is a run. Intensity and length are completely dependent on you. I can jog as much as I can do HIIT in a treadmill.
um....you do realize that on a tread mill, the ground is moving for you, and you're just picking your feet up and putting them down. Where as running off a tread mill, you're actually propelling your own weight forward. The ground doesn't move for you in the real world. Did you really not understand this huge difference? Or did you actually think that running 3 miles on a treadmill is the same as doing it for real?
 
Are we posting up screenshots of our runs on IG or something & tagging #NTRunning? I'll start using IG again eventually & I'll post pics of mine.

Yesterday I just did 3.4 miles to relieve some pressure & get back in the flow of things, the 2nd half was directly into the wind though...I hate dealing with strong winds.

Oh & idk about other shoe brands besides when I tried some on one day, they did feel potentially better than most Nikes I use cushion-wise I'll say but the pairs I tried on were stability pairs & heavier than I like too. I would/do consider other brands just because it's nice to see what's out there, but Nike works just fine for me & in particular the Vomero 9s won me over back in June because I was having all kinds of pain in my left knee & right heel(too many miles on my old shoes most likely) & that was the only shoe I could run in with next to no pain.

For reference I've used:frown:for more than 1/2 runs)
Lunar Run Avant(some running shoe a few years ago, first ever dedicated running shoe)
Air Max 2011(heavy shoes looking back but they ran ok still for me, they ended up going back though for broken lace holes)
Pegasus 27(very capable but lacked the forefoot cushion I wanted)
Free Run 2(never could get use to those for running, workouts with them are amazing though)
Free Run 3(pretty good for runs, think the difference was the free sole used & these also had a better insole)
Lunarglide 4(pretty damn amazing shoe until I wore the cushioning out)
LunaRacer 3(super light, I almost feel like I'm wearing out the sole cushioning with each step but they're great on quick/"light feeling" days)
Vomero 9(I hold a special place in my heart for these, they allowed me to run as much as I could this summer lol, heavier than I like but not really noticeable imo, great feeling)
LunarEclipse 1(shield version, I only like using these in the rain because they're too heavy for my liking. They were very comfortable to wear but running is a different story, lots of heel support)

Edit: completely forgot about my forgettable experiences with the Flyknit Racer/Trainer/Lunar 1
Trainer(non-padded): they messed up my toes because I'm quite certain they started shrinking on me before I had to return them because they made my achillies turn into a bloody mess.
Lunar 1: I thought they'd be like my Lunarglides, nope. They fit well enough but the bottoms wore out entirely too quick for me & I feel they had next to no cushion compared to the Lunarglide to start with, probably from the insole.
Racer: was my first racing flat, not horrible & I can deal with them for short runs but the longer I go the more I wish I had some forefoot cushioning & I'm a distance runner.

In each I tried on my true size & 1/2 size up so I know the difference in the fit(particularly with the trainers) it was just not good for me. I love the look & still own multiples of all 3 styles lol(don't judge) but none are for running
 
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Are we posting up screenshots of our runs on IG or something & tagging #NTRunning? I'll start using IG again eventually & I'll post pics of mine.

Yesterday I just did 3.4 miles to relieve some pressure & get back in the flow of things, the 2nd half was directly into the wind though...I hate dealing with strong winds.

Oh & idk about other shoe brands besides when I tried some on one day, they did feel potentially better than most Nikes I use cushion-wise I'll say but the pairs I tried on were stability pairs & heavier than I like too. I would/do consider other brands just because it's nice to see what's out there, but Nike works just fine for me & in particular the Vomero 9s won me over back in June because I was having all kinds of pain in my left knee & right heel(too many miles on my old shoes most likely) & that was the only shoe I could run in with next to no pain.

For reference I've used:frown:for more than 1/2 runs)
Lunar Run Avant(some running shoe a few years ago, first ever dedicated running shoe)
Air Max 2011(heavy shoes looking back but they ran ok still for me, they ended up going back though for broken lace holes)
Pegasus 27(very capable but lacked the forefoot cushion I wanted)
Free Run 2(never could get use to those for running, workouts with them are amazing though)
Free Run 3(pretty good for runs, think the difference was the free sole used & these also had a better insole)
Lunarglide 4(pretty damn amazing shoe until I wore the cushioning out)
LunaRacer 3(super light, I almost feel like I'm wearing out the sole cushioning with each step but they're great on quick/"light feeling" days)
Vomero 9(I hold a special place in my heart for these, they allowed me to run as much as I could this summer lol, heavier than I like but not really noticeable imo, great feeling)
LunarEclipse 1(shield version, I only like using these in the rain because they're too heavy for my liking. They were very comfortable to wear but running is a different story, lots of heel support)

Edit: completely forgot about my forgettable experiences with the Flyknit Racer/Trainer/Lunar 1
Trainer(non-padded): they messed up my toes because I'm quite certain they started shrinking on me before I had to return them because they made my achillies turn into a bloody mess.
Lunar 1: I thought they'd be like my Lunarglides, nope. They fit well enough but the bottoms wore out entirely too quick for me & I feel they had next to no cushion compared to the Lunarglide to start with, probably from the insole.
Racer: was my first racing flat, not horrible & I can deal with them for short runs but the longer I go the more I wish I had some forefoot cushioning & I'm a distance runner.

In each I tried on my true size & 1/2 size up so I know the difference in the fit(particularly with the trainers) it was just not good for me. I love the look & still own multiples of all 3 styles lol(don't judge) but none are for running

Less cushioning than lunarglides? Interesting, I might have to grab a pair. I have enjoyed my lunar ones, but if there is an option with more cushioning I might have to try.
 
 
um....you do realize that on a tread mill, the ground is moving for you, and you're just picking your feet up and putting them down. Where as running off a tread mill, you're actually propelling your own weight forward. The ground doesn't move for you in the real world. Did you really not understand this huge difference? Or did you actually think that running 3 miles on a treadmill is the same as doing it for real?
That's just not true, homie. For most people running 3 miles on a treadmill is comparable to running 3 outside. If you're talking paces like faster than 5 minute miles, then sure, doing those outside is harder. But there isn't a real difference between an 8 minute mile inside or out.
 
How is it inaccurate?


In how much calories you burnt? In the distance you've ran? In the amount of time you've ran?


I mean in the end of the day a run is a run is a run. Intensity and length are completely dependent on you. I can jog as much as I can do HIIT in a treadmill.
um....you do realize that on a tread mill, the ground is moving for you, and you're just picking your feet up and putting them down. Where as running off a tread mill, you're actually propelling your own weight forward. The ground doesn't move for you in the real world. Did you really not understand this huge difference? Or did you actually think that running 3 miles on a treadmill is the same as doing it for real?

For the most part, it is actually the same with a slight adjustment. I do not claim to be an expert in running and my advice/comments should be taken with a grain of salt or do further research including my shoe suggestions but I have read about this over years, maybe even a decade long already.

The first thing we need to examine is whether running on a treadmill is the same as running outside.

On one hand, with a treadmill, the belt is moving under you and there is no wind resistance for your body to counter, so it should be easier to run. Theoretically, you could jump up and down on a treadmill and it would record that you’re running at whatever speed the belt is moving. Outside, your legs have to propel your motion forward while pushing through the resulting wind resistance (however minor it may be).

Luckily, scientific research has proven that setting the treadmill to a 1% grade accurately reflects the energy costs and simulates outdoor running. Therefore, by setting the treadmill to a 1% grade, you can offset the lack of wind resistance and the belt moving under you to make treadmill running the same effort as running outdoors.

Corroborating research has shown that VO2 max is the same when running on a treadmill compared to outside, clearly demonstrating that running on a treadmill is as effective as running outside. Furthermore, research reveals that bio-mechanical patterns did not change when test subjects ran on a treadmill versus when they ran outside.

Therefore, we can decisively conclude that running on a treadmill has the same effect as running outside when running at a 1% grade.

Muscles Activation

Regardless if you run outside or use a treadmill, the same muscles get activated. These include the glutes, quadriceps, hamstrings, calves, hip flexors and abdominals. The abs contract to keep your body stable. If you run up hill or turn the incline up on the treadmill, you will place more emphasis on your calves, hamstrings and glutes.


Wind Speed

Wind or lack of it is a major difference between the treadmill and running outside. When you are indoors, there is no wind whatsoever. Outdoors, you might have to battle high winds or contend with nothing but a light breeze. In any case, even the slightest wind will make your workout more challenging. To compensate for lack of wind, you can increase the incline on a treadmill.



Much has been written about the biomechanical and metabolic differences between running on treadmills and running outdoors, and the general consensus is that both types of workouts are essentially the same. Running outdoors does offer a few mechanical advantages, namely the addition of wind resistance and the ability to build muscles specific to going downhill, around turns and on hard or uneven surfaces.

The major advantage of treadmills, as I see them, are what they lack — exposure to extreme weather, the threat of being run over by cellphone-yapping SUV drivers or chased by off-leash dogs, etc.

Overall, however, a 2008 study, published in the journal Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise, determined that the kinetics of treadmill versus outdoor running is very similar. Runners adopt different running patterns when they're on treadmills, such as landing a little more flat-footed, the study found. But considering that humans adapt their gait to run on snow, trails, synthetic tracks and sand, it makes sense that we would have a specific "treadmill gait" as well, the authors concluded.



Treadmill walking compared with running outside will feel somewhat easier physically because the "ground" is being pulled underneath your feet. Also, unlike when you are outside, there is no wind resistance inside on a treadmill. Walking or running outdoors requires more energy since you are propelling your body forward with each stride.

We know from research, that in order to accurately simulate the same pace you walk or run outside, you need to make sure the treadmill you are working out on is set for a 1.0% incline. A 1.0% incline will make up for the lack of wind resistance and better simulate outdoor running.

With regard to calories burned on a treadmill versus walking or running outdoors, there is little difference, especially if the treadmill is set at a 1.0% grade. Some studies have noted a slightly increased calorie burn (less than 3%) when running outside, but many others have reported no differences. Keep in mind though: those treadmills that indicate the number of calories burned are generally not accurate. Many reports suggest that treadmills and other cardio machines actually overestimate calories burned by 15% to 20%.



Also not that I posted the calories burned shown on the treadmill or your phones will not be very accurate so that last sentence doesn't disprove anything.
 
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Like CM, my whole running rotation is Nike. I did venture out and try other brands (Mizuno, Asics, etc.), but I didn't feel like they were for me. Other than aesthetics or feel, one MAIN reason I stuck with nike was PRICING. I never want or will ever spend over $80 on shoes I'll be running in. Plus, I'm just a casual runner and just running to maintain my fitness, so i can't bring myself to spend so much on a single pair. My current running rotation ranges from $25-$70.

Lunaracer 3 (3)
Lunaracer 1
Flyknit Lunar 2 (2)
Flyknit Lunar 1
Flyknit Racer
Flyknit Chukka
Free 5.0 2014
 
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That's just not true, homie. For most people running 3 miles on a treadmill is comparable to running 3 outside. If you're talking paces like faster than 5 minute miles, then sure, doing those outside is harder. But there isn't a real difference between an 8 minute mile inside or out.
It is true homie. You have to set the treadmill at an incline to match the added effort it takes to run outside where you are actually propelling your weight forward as opposed to a treadmill where the ground moves under you automatically. And most people don't like setting the treadmill at an incline because it hurts their times. Go figure.
 
 
Bros,

How fast could I improve my cardio if I do 50m sprints, followed by a jogging recovery time, and repeat the process over and over?
 
It is true homie. You have to set the treadmill at an incline to match the added effort it takes to run outside where you are actually propelling your weight forward as opposed to a treadmill where the ground moves under you automatically. And most people don't like setting the treadmill at an incline because it hurts their times. Go figure.
Oh, I agree with that. I thought you were saying under any condition they aren't comparable. My bad!  
 
Fellow runners

Finishline has the grey white adidas sl loop runners for 35 free shipping.

picked up a pair to beat/try
http://m.finishline.com//store/prod...vel&siteID=5GIR4hnAhLo-sQhV3l8uW9GWVxPFnjaSWg
You don't want to run in SL Loops man, those are going to kill your feet/joints.

I strongly recommend Energy Boost.
^^nice....wat shoes?

Wats wrong with nikes for running?
EVA foam (along with Brooks, Asics, etc.) is going to break down a lot faster than adidas Boost foam will. A runner at adidas HQ ran 1600 miles in one pair of Boost shoes.

Also, with Nike frees...they feature the whole shoe bending thing....except your foot doesn't bend like that? So, what's the point?

Boost vs. EVA videos...





 
Thanks for the Boost vids! The most mileage I've ever run in one pair was logged in my original LunarEclipse with ~1,100mi. I've been wanting to give Boost a try for quite some time; however, the only thing that prevents me from doing so is how they look and their cws... :/

Hopefully, with MM and company on board with the adidas, they could put out better designs and cws.
 
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Like CM, my whole running rotation is Nike. I did venture out and try other brands (Mizuno, Asics, etc.), but I didn't feel like they were for me. Other than aesthetics or feel, one MAIN reason I stuck with nike was PRICING. I never want or will ever spend over $80 on shoes I'll be running in. Plus, I'm just a casual runner and just running to maintain my fitness, so i can't bring myself to spend so much on a single pair. My current running rotation ranges from $25-$70.

Lunaracer 3 (3)
Lunaracer 1
Flyknit Lunar 2 (2)
Flyknit Lunar 1
Flyknit Racer
Flyknit Chukka
Free 5.0 2014

How are these? I see finishline has some for 60.
 
Oh yeah I forgot to mention but for running socks I really like and would recommend the Feetures Elite No Show tab socks.


CEP compression socks are great also when doing long distance runs. They just suck when putting them on and taking them off when your dead tired.
 
^ I'm also a big fan of feetures socks.. I use the ultra light no show..


Go to roadrunnersports.com.. I think you can sign up for pretty cheap for a one year membership and they have great deals on stuff
 
i think im the fattest runner here lol

im 5'10 230-40LBs lol

i try to run 3 miles a day with a 9m30sec pace

i never lose weight because my metabolism sucks and i eat like crap. i also have bad days where i can't run more cause i have some ashma/breathing issues, but i always gotta get my runs in.

so i just run to maintain. i always tell myself what if i stopped, i prob be like 300lbs

ive ran a handful of 6mile runs, i just slow my pace to 10min/miles, a few Bay to Breakers 7.2miles, and longest official was SF Women's Half.. damn near killed me with those hills

There seems to be some arguments about threadmill running? I think depending on the threadmill, some of those things need to be properly calibrated, both in speed and incline. At one gym, the threadmill always made me feel like i was running fast! and didn't feel as tired. I guess it may have to do with that bounce in the threadmill so its less toll on the legs. Then there is another gym where its a newer threadmill and it feels like on the default level its at least inclined 1 or 2. But I'm not going to argue the accuracy of the distance too bad. I've ran on threadmill plenty and i use the Nike Running App. It uses your phones sensors and you are suppose to keep it in your pocket or hold in same position entire run. It has been always close if not near exact to the distance on the threadmill.

When I run on track or outside, I still use the app and use the GPS to spot my distance. Since my work location changed, I have no choice but to run at the track. At first I was going much slower. The change from regularly doing threadmill to track/outdoor I saw the difference as I definitely ran slower pace. BUT, ive picked it up and now at my average. I noticed I'm feeling more gains and improvements running outdoor/track.

Lunarglide is still my shoe and I'm hoping for some LG6 to go cheaper in price on the not so wild colors. I don't mind running in free runs (5.0 sole) as I've tacked on many miles through the years, but the Lunarglide are definitely still my favorite. I'll start tagging my pics on IG with #NTRunning

I'm about to hit 1000 miles on my Nike Running App by the end of this year! W00t!!!!
 
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Do any of you guys doing running groups? Nike has the running groups and nike training sessions throughout NYC everyday. If any of you are in NYC and want to go to one let me know. The good thing about running in a group is that you HAVE to keep up with them so it's no slacking depending on the pace you pick. Last night I did 5 miles in a group at 9 min pace, when I run by myself my pace is around 9:30/9:40. Having to stay with that group was a challenge but I refused to fail.

Funny question/Side note: Does everyone else take monster dumps after running? After the nike event last night I couldn't hold it until I got home, I ended up crapping in the niketown bathroom with my shirt off like the thug that I am.
 
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