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Bernard android isn't 30 yrs old tho. ^^^ more like 10yrs old. Thats why none of the workers recognize him as "arnold" cause arnold died 30 yrs ago.
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so you think it took Ford 20 years to build another?
Now that Delores got her mind back, would she have recognized Bernard/Arnold?
Bernard off the show?
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My take is she kept looping the narrative...each time getting a bit closer, I think she has died multiple times along the way, like the drowned Dolores vision, the gun to the head vision, etc. I believe William has been playing Arnold's narrative, not Fords....and perhaps that is something Ford isn't aware of.
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I know it did...on the last episode, they show young Ford with brown hair calling for arnold. Then during Bernards flashback to the "beginning" Ford is clearly older, not as old looking as current but definitely not the CG Hopkins
All those talks with Delores/Who we thought was Bernard, was actually convos with Delores/Arnold
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When they showed Bernard first being activated when he tells him to go back to the beginning Ford was still old.
He wasn't his young self.
No way Ford looks that old 30 yrs ago.
It didn't take Ford that long to build him, he just didn't want to until then.
Probably.
Probably also figure out he's a host though.
Probably.
Other than more flashbacks.
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Do you remember when Dolores was running away from Logan's union men and they just magically disappeared when she heard Arnold/Bernard's voice saying, "Remember"? That's when she switched to present times. She seems to be going back-and-forth in her memories. She's been there before. One example is when William and Dolores was by the river and she saw her drowned body. She turned around and William wasn't there . Another example is when she's going through the church inhabited by crazed hosts and her clothes have changed.
In this particular scene with the MIB, she's in present times and the MIB probably knew where to find her since he's found her there before with Logan when he was young William. MIB "activated her" in the barn and knew she would be at the church again.
All in all, Dolores seems to be going through some type of loop and she's a key player in finding the maze.
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But why didn't her clothes change this time if that's the "present" her? Last time we saw that Dolores she was still in the blue dress. So even if she wandered all the way out to that old town you mean to say she had a change of clothes on her as well? 
There's a consistency factor not being kept up with. Unless next ep she's gonna suddenly be back in the dress.
There's a consistency factor not being kept up with. Unless next ep she's gonna suddenly be back in the dress.
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Wait i thought they said his name when he was talking to Teddy by the fire like 2 episodes ago and his name wasn't William? Maybe im wrong
Thankfully im caught up and can read through this thread. I agree with almost everything in here.
I hate the 2 Techs and brothel chick story line because of how poorly it was put together. Like how do they have access to turn her up that high. How did no one catch it? Like a host malfunctions in the park and it sets off all types of flags and the crew goes in and gets them. You are telling me that no notification went off like oh this host is now a god in the park? And the fact that they had the ability to wipe her mind multiple times and didn't. Like do you not want your job? Do you want to get fired and sued and fined for messing with the technology?
there's a lot of little things they do on this show that seem like plot holes. Like how no one there knows what Arnold looks like, how no one noticed Bernard hasn't aged in 30 years, how Bernard has never physically shut down when in the presence of other workers using the shutdown command on a host. I'm sure they'll never answer it but it's pretty noticeable as more stuff gets revealed about these people. If it turns out every damn person on screen is a host besides Ford then it'll make sense lol but I'ma be pissed
From what I assume, until Maeve did it, Ford was probably the only person with the ability to control Bernard. Ford has backdoors into all of the hosts, and Bernard was probably only able to be controlled through back door controls. Just like Fords family in the cabin and these Native american hosts for the new narrative. They don't respond to normal commands because they are Fords personal hosts. The Native Americans are more than likely part of the new narrative and were used to keep the old hosts and guests from drifting too far into the park where his new development is and where the original narrative grounds are.
And nobody's noticed Bernard hasn't aged in 30 years because Bernards host isn't 30 years old.
Also if you notice closely, Delores hasn't encountered Bernard since she's been "woke". And now by the time she's opened her 3rd eye, Bernard has been retired.
Hello, Dolores.
thing is...is Delores NOT wearing the same clothes she was wearing when she was will young william? That cowgirl ensemble? Before when she met the MIB she was wearing the blue dress. She didnt change into this fit until young will came into play.
How can that happened with multiple time lines? HQ just let her cook in that fit?
Then she took the knife to the cut which opened up her entire insides, in the past. But she makes it to the old church, and its still in tact, with no knife work. So that's 30 yrs ago I'm guessing?
But then MIB shows up to old church? In the past?
I thought in that scene she wasn't calling him William, she was calling for help..
She doesn't know that the MiB is William yet. She was having flashbacks, and the moment she heard someone coming to the door she got excited because she thought William was coming to rescue her (ironically, its him but as the MiB)
Right after she see's him her face turns to fear.
When she shows up to the church, its not the past. Its the Present. Much like Angela, Delores is a running time marker. Her flashbacks are a clock for the timelines we're watching. Just like a said a page back, William is the MiB and he leaves and returns to the park, searching for Delores to restart the Maze. He knows she's a piece, just like the little girl, Teddy, and Angela. They are the original hosts made mechanically instead of with artificial organs. They are a group of hosts that are tied to the original maze that Arnold set in place.
She doesn't know the MiB is William because the hosts don't understand the concept of age. They don't grow old, so she can't recognize an aged William as a human would because she doesn't age. she thinks William is still the young man that came to the park 30 years ago. Her life is a constant recurring loop, there is no growing old for her or any of the other hosts. They only know and understand what they were programmed to understand.
The biggest, most blatant way to keep track of what time you're in is to watch for William. It will more than likely be revealed Sunday that MiB = William. When we see William with Logan, we're watching 30 years in the past, when we watch the MiB we're watching present day, and whenever we see something dealing with Delores in a blue dress or Angela, the little girl, or Teddy near the church with other hosts its 35 years ago when the park first opened.
When she was standing in the church with no knife marks, thats because she has made that trip before and has died. She respawns. Thats the most important thing for everyone to remember. Thats how they confuse the watchers in which timeline we're watching. Nobody accounts for all the countless times her family was murdered at the house or the MiB caught her, or she died trying to find the church. Its because they don't show us every single loop, because thats time consuming and pointless. When she saw herself face down in the river in a flashback, thats probably because she got too far and the indians murked her because she was too far.
Why she's wearing the same clothes? I think Viskor just explained it perfectly.
Delores pretty much just confirmed the center of the maze to the MiB who just stumbled into his key right where he wants her.
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PRIME got it.
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Any chances the last few minutes of the finale we find out they're all dead, and then the screen fades to black and the words "LOST" appear?
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so the center of the maze is that room that Arnold used as his office? That he talked to Delores in?
Is the whole Bernard being made in Arnold's image really that big of a reveal? Does it really change anything or make any difference?
Did Delores kill Arnold on Ford's command? Or did she spaz out from a glitch again?
Tessa stil trying to use the story writer to sneak Delores old dad out of the park?
They're gonna take androids out back with the civilians?
I'm still waiting for them to let us know the park is on Mars.
Is the whole Bernard being made in Arnold's image really that big of a reveal? Does it really change anything or make any difference?
Did Delores kill Arnold on Ford's command? Or did she spaz out from a glitch again?
Tessa stil trying to use the story writer to sneak Delores old dad out of the park?
They're gonna take androids out back with the civilians?
I'm still waiting for them to let us know the park is on Mars.
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I think thats all stuff that can't be answered until next season.
I don't think Delores will get her answers completely until next season. I think its going to be a 90 minute wrap up answering some core questions like who the MiB is, what the new narrative is, maybe Delores and Teddy's flashbacks get sorted out because they both have different flashbacks to how everyone died at the church ground, etc.
But I don't think Delores will get her answers on Arnold completely. I think Ford is going to come through with that ether and humble everyone back a few steps.
I hope he does at least. Especially Maeve.
The ONE thing I HOPE doesn't happen and is the most cliche, boring plot ever is, I hope the investors don't want to use Westworld as a guinea pig to test the hosts as potential soldiers for real world wars... Gotdamn I hope thats not why they want to push Ford out. If thats the case, I hope Ford wins.
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Where in viskor's post does he address why her clothes didn't change? 
If Dolores is all confused and even in her mind going back and forth through time and she's suppose to be a marker for when a scene is in the past or present and that last scene with her is in the present cuz MiB showed up wouldn't she be in her dress and not in the same outfit we only saw her change in to when she met Lawrence/El Lazo?
Also as far as activating Dolores in the barn and knowing where to go, MiB specifically said he knew where to go after he talked with that sexy host that killed Teddy. She gave him a clue and he figured it out after Teddy "remembered" the "truth". That's right before Tessa's character shows up.
If Dolores is all confused and even in her mind going back and forth through time and she's suppose to be a marker for when a scene is in the past or present and that last scene with her is in the present cuz MiB showed up wouldn't she be in her dress and not in the same outfit we only saw her change in to when she met Lawrence/El Lazo?
Also as far as activating Dolores in the barn and knowing where to go, MiB specifically said he knew where to go after he talked with that sexy host that killed Teddy. She gave him a clue and he figured it out after Teddy "remembered" the "truth". That's right before Tessa's character shows up.
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is delores malfunctioning?
computer keeps reverting back to previous operating systems. Hella passington.
Where the new upgraded jawns?
Westworld should offer customization. Let the customer create bots when they first arrive. Yambs made to order. Bespoke choch. Lawd.
computer keeps reverting back to previous operating systems. Hella passington.
Where the new upgraded jawns?
Westworld should offer customization. Let the customer create bots when they first arrive. Yambs made to order. Bespoke choch. Lawd.
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I have a feeling that the 2x techs - or the Asian tech - are hosts. I'm guessing that Ford's grand narrative is the hosts rebelling, and the techs and Maeve are a part of that. Remember when the 2x techs were looking into Maeve's logs? They noticed that she had modifications done from "way up high" and this was way beyond what they could handle. I believe that this is Ford's doing.
The Asian tech can't be that dumb... I found that part annoying. But it would be explained if he's a host controlled by Ford.
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She might have changed into the cowboy outfit as part of the loopWhere in viskor's post does he address why her clothes didn't change?
If Dolores is all confused and even in her mind going back and forth through time and she's suppose to be a marker for when a scene is in the past or present and that last scene with her is in the present cuz MiB showed up wouldn't she be in her dress and not in the same outfit we only saw her change in to when she met Lawrence/El Lazo?
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well it seems like the asian tech guy has changed. He was a lot more lively earlier this season. Super excited in regards to the bard and whatnot. The last few times we've seen him, son has be timid, and quiet. Sneaky.
Funny thing, I saw the other tech in a commercial for tires the other day lol.
Funny thing, I saw the other tech in a commercial for tires the other day lol.
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***** is wandering her way to this church and along the way changes in to the exact clothes from the past?Where in viskor's post does he address why her clothes didn't change?
If Dolores is all confused and even in her mind going back and forth through time and she's suppose to be a marker for when a scene is in the past or present and that last scene with her is in the present cuz MiB showed up wouldn't she be in her dress and not in the same outfit we only saw her change in to when she met Lawrence/El Lazo?
She might have changed into the cowboy outfit as part of the loop
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Where in viskor's post does he address why her clothes didn't change?
If Dolores is all confused and even in her mind going back and forth through time and she's suppose to be a marker for when a scene is in the past or present and that last scene with her is in the present cuz MiB showed up wouldn't she be in her dress and not in the same outfit we only saw her change in to when she met Lawrence/El Lazo?
It was this part :
It seems like she's navigating through the maze subconsciously through her memories and Arnolds voice is guiding her through past experiences in her loop. She's accomplishing things but doesn't notice it. She's going through these "missions" without William, but thanks he's still there with her.
Its basically a self learning algorithm. She's learning from her past mistakes and doesn't even notice it. Its like they're showing us the natural progression of a consciously aware A.I being programmed through conditioning. And that may just be what arnold's intentions were with his maze.
But take what I'm saying with a big *** grain of salt. I'm just getting my hot takes off without trying to go overboard and keeping it in what seems logical for the show. This show is that damn good.
That scene in the church was her walking present day, but flashing back to 35 years ago. It looks like all of the hosts were "waking up". that seems like it was right before she went downstairs to see (and possibly murder) Arnold, and then proceed to go upstairs and start that killing spree on all of the original hosts with Teddy. Which could explain why a lot of people think Delores = Wyatt
I'm still unsure about the whole Wyatt theory though. Because he's supposed to be the new villain, and delores is still running around.
***** is wandering her way to this church and along the way changes in to the exact clothes from the past?Where in viskor's post does he address why her clothes didn't change?
If Dolores is all confused and even in her mind going back and forth through time and she's suppose to be a marker for when a scene is in the past or present and that last scene with her is in the present cuz MiB showed up wouldn't she be in her dress and not in the same outfit we only saw her change in to when she met Lawrence/El Lazo?
She might have changed into the cowboy outfit as part of the loop
She gotta get her fits off b
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wait so was arnold ever a real person?
I am confused i just thought arnold was bernard. Now i remember that Deloras did say she killed arnold right
So was Arnonld at one point real...then Ford had Delores kill Arnold then made Bernard and told everyone he was Arnold his partner? Or was Ford always doing it by himself and just made Bernard and called him Arnold his assistant from the jump?
I am confused i just thought arnold was bernard. Now i remember that Deloras did say she killed arnold right
So was Arnonld at one point real...then Ford had Delores kill Arnold then made Bernard and told everyone he was Arnold his partner? Or was Ford always doing it by himself and just made Bernard and called him Arnold his assistant from the jump?
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Arnold was a real person and Ford's partner >30 years ago. 10 years ago, Ford recreated Bernard as a host in the image of Arnold.
Dolores remembers that she killed Arnold, but we have yet to know the reason why she did. It's just a guessing game at this point.
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lol are you watching the show fam
Arnold existed. Delores killed him.
Ford made a robot in his image. Called him bernard. The name is an anagram for Arnold's name.
