why fakes are so good, now a days!

Thay damn video is from may 2013.

GeorgeScorewell said:

Been out of the sneaker game....

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Since 2007.

Don't be surprised if Nike doin it too. Seriously.

dakid23 said:

I bet you were "collecting" to be cool

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Whomp whomp, I buy shoes, wear them, do it again. No collecting. Bet you call buying shoes a "game"

airedweezy said:

Jordans coming out with remastered line higher quality to combat the gm market tho we good

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Unless they take their production outside of China (which will never happen, because their cheap labor is too profitable), nothing will slow down the grey market.

Nike has no plans on clamping down on the issue. Counterfeits are merely a part of the cost of doing business and Nike knows this.




It's worth noting that these GMs only really started popping up in droves after Nike moved 99.9% of their production to Pou Chen/Yue Yuens China facilities.



This article is well worth a read for anyone interested in this topic...

http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/05/01/8375455/index.htm





Here are some interesting excerpts about:

- The origins of "grey market" products

Now that Western companies are pervasively outsourcing the manufacture of their products to factories overseas, they're entrusting their precious intellectual property - designs, molds, specifications, trade secrets - to hundreds of contractors and subcontractors all over the world. It's extremely hard to police global supply chains, and IP is leaking out through 1,000 cracks.

The simplest and most dramatic form of the problem is something that Asia-based investigators jocularly refer to as the "third shift," the "midnight shift," or the "ghost shift." Say a U.S. company orders 20,000 dresses from an overseas factory. The contractor fills the order during its two day shifts but then runs off 10,000 extra at night, possibly using inferior materials. Those he sells out the back door, so to speak, trademark and all.

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- The issues they can create

Sometimes even brand owners can't tell whether an unauthorized product is a counterfeit (a product bearing a trademark that its maker never had authority to use) or the result of third-shift activity.

In late 2001, for instance, Too Inc., which runs the Limited Too chain of clothing stores for girls, discovered that discounter TJ Maxx was selling 31 styles of Limited Too apparel at markdowns - 653,000 garments. TJ Maxx was stocking many more units than Too had ever ordered from its Asian suppliers, and what Too had ordered was still being sold in its own stores.

When Too sued TJ Maxx to stop sales, though, its lawyers candidly admitted that they weren't sure whether the clothes were counterfeits or third-shift goods. Though discounters can always be enjoined from selling counterfeits, some judges will let them sell third-shift goods unimpeded, viewing the latter as legally "genuine."

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- Why brands don't do anything about them

Even in its wider sense, the third shift is a subset of a broader problem: the countless ways in which companies lose control of intellectual property when relying on an outsourced supply chain. IP leakage is the glitch in the ascendant paradigm for doing business.

"When you're outsourcing, you provide specifications, drawings, blueprints," says Peter Humphrey, who runs a risk-management firm in Shanghai called ChinaWhys. "What can easily happen is, someone takes it down the road to his brother or uncle," who also has a factory. "Before you know it, there's ten or 20 factories in that county making knockoffs of your product."

Brand owners typically don't admit to having suffered from third-shift or other IP-leakage problems. "It makes you seem like you've been an idiot," explains professor Chow. "These are people you've hired. You didn't exercise due diligence." Most brand owners approached for this story either declined to discuss the issue or denied experiencing the problem.

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New Balance even tried to stop one of its manufacturers from selling unauthorized New Balance sneakers and NB ended up losing the trial.


Anyone with experience contracting manufacturers in China can tell you this is just a part of the game and a cost of doing cheap business.


It's no coincidence that the 10 fold quality increase of these counterfeit shoes directly coincides with Nike pulling out of Vietnam, Indonesia, etc. and moving 99.9% of their manufacturing to China. Pou Chen/Yue Yuen has a very long history of this kind of thing and Nike knows it. But the price of their labor is so low and they can produce such high volumes, that companies just consider the counterfeits as a normal cost of doing business.

sharpshooter718 said:

there is no gray market.... its all done in the same place...

back door deals overtime production equals todays marketplace.. its quite simple...

nike/jordan lowered the quality of materials used therefore it has become easier for knockoffs to pass as authentic because its using the same materials.. slightly different cuts but overall 98 percent exact same shoe...

10 years ago knockoffs were so bad they were literally an eyesore from a black away,,,, now u gotta smell the inside of the sneaker to find out if its legit.. lol


havent bought a pair of NIKES in 2 years or so..

want to buy some knicks foams but ill wait til they go down a bit.. they're sitting hard...

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I'm sure there are some backdoor sales going on, but they don't account for the vast majority of GMs on the market.

Years ago GMs really were backdoor shoes, but that was long before there was as great of a demand for expensive sneakers as their is today. This is where a lot people got early release shoes like the 01 I's with a the full color Jumpman on the heel or the DMP XIs with the "JORDAN" eyelets (some of which even made their way into retail sales).

The demand for Air Jordans is so high it has made Nike pull out of Indonesia, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc. and contract all their production to massive Chinese facilities who can produce a much greater number of shoes. Moving everything to China has made it much easier for the counterfeiters to take their intellectual property, blueprints and even machines to separate facilities and produce their own runs of the shoes. Operating in separate facilities allows the counterfeiters to ramp up production because they can manufacture their own shoes all day long, instead of "sharing" the time in the facility, manufacturing authorized Nikes for the majority of the day.

Looking at it from a purely fiscal standpoint, with an item as in demand as Air Jordan, it doesn't make sense to manufacture counterfeits in the same facilities that the authentic are made during off hours, when they have the ability to be pumping them out in their own facilities 24/7.

that second video

@dankenstein88


Sarcasm detector broke huh

It's not that serious

airedweezy said:

Jordans coming out with remastered line higher quality to combat the gm market tho we good


Just have to pay 200 before taxes jordans are a joke now

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guess you missed all the "remaster" fakes already out that look exact like sample pairs..

airedweezy said:

@dankenstein88


Sarcasm detector broke huh

It's not that serious

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lol damn... I didn't realize you were kidding. I've actually heard lots of people say the "remastered" line will put a halt to counterfeits and thought you were serious.

My mistake.

^your avy is so trash

****** gonna have to start going to the factory themselves and watch their pair being made

Why is this in general?

doublemesh96 said:

^your avy is so trash

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OP, was the comma in the title necessary?

tha way that dude speaks was irkin me, had to cut it off

nike runs the fake industry as well ...they produce their own fakes

I remember legit stores selling fake bapes

JFMartiMcDandruff said:

nike runs the fake industry as well ...they produce their own fakes

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that would not shock me tbh

Doing it

BLASTERCOMBO said:

Whomp whomp, I buy shoes, wear them, do it again. No collecting. Bet you call buying shoes a "game"

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This is nike talk, a lot of people take they shoes serious on here

i dont even have the dough to buy shoes like that no more fam

LuckyLuchiano said:

This is what blows my mind, the same kicks cars were getting clowned for back in the day are dropping in retail locations and selling out.

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We came from a simpler time, man. Back when I was into it, you get retros in mostly OG colorways once a few months. Even then at $125, it was hard to swallow. Moms wasn't going to be spending that much money for sure I also looked forward to the new Jordan model (kept up until the 18 or 19 when I was a senior in HS).

Everything now is so saturated. You have new cats with their own signature shoes, while retros are still being pumped out like crazy.

Blame the advancement of the Internet. The blogs, the shoe reviews, the early pictures, IG, etc. Back then we just had NT and those quarterly calendar you get for being a FootAction Gold Star member

JB and Nike did it to themselves by putting out such garbage quality sneakers and over pricing the heck of out them. Doesn't really bother them much since nearly everyone buys the Jordan's anyway.

I recently bought the infrareds that just came out and was just saddened by now cheap and bland they looked. They looked soulless and dull almost like they were plopped out of a factory somewhere within a minute...oh wait

That's why I'm officially done with JB now, they literally don't care anymore and it sucks especially for us NTers who truly cared about the brand and that time when the quality of the sneakers were decent although still not comparable to the originals, but years ahead of what they release now.

So when it comes to sneakers I just stick to runners now, since some of them look cool and offer practicality and comfort for a student who spends long hours in a seat. When I want to spoil myself with footwear I go for boots now, since I know the quality will be there and comparable with the price and a lot of them are really elegant looking

pums said:

Not sure if fakes are stepping up or nike/jordan's quality going down.

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the latter.

but it's ok, they're bumping up the quality next year while increasing MSRPs.

Realized Nike was selling fakes when I copped the last playoff 12's.  The first pair they tried to sell me were ridiculous.

Those first pair of 3lab5's tho   Primo.  Had cats that weren't even into sneakers like that jocking them joints.  I can honestly say that spending $280 on those was well worth it.

But my homie just copped some Taxi's for $45 free shipping, and they on point.  Thinking about copping and using for everyday beaters.

Don't buy shoes that much anymore, but GM's always made me skeptical of buying from consignment shops. Always wondered why people weren't more skeptical. Seen some sketchy shoes from even the biggest consignment shops that always had me pondering. Just gotta do that research and make sure you're good nowadays.