Gunman kills self after 2 NYPD cops fatally shot ‘execution style’ as ‘revenge’ for Garner

Mr Marcus said:
Also my brothers out here with a clean record need to practice their right to carry. Gun sales went up when Obama got elected and after ferguson. It wasn't minorities buying up all the weapons from these stores either. PRACTICE YOUR RIGHT TO CARRY. Don't let one of these scared fools take your life off their racisr *** assumptions.

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This is what I think should be done. Let them know, you have the ability to defend yourself, and if need be, you will do it.

Why do you think the orison system works against minorities? Give them some felonies and they can't legally purchase a firearm. They don't want minorities to have power. I'm not saying the prison system is the way it is only for that reason, but I'm sure it's one of the reasons.
 
I agree. I don't condone violence of any kind. But you can't expect people to react rationally when irrational behavior is involved
 
WhatCanISay said:
Google is your friend.

Look up the evidence. Holding fake realistic guns or attacking an armed man will be one of the few.

Did the guy in walmart's skin color play a part? That's going to be hard to prove.
In my opinion "it may have". However, I have never been in that kind of situation or the situations these officers are in throughout their career.
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And there you go... every one of those situations i mentioned were the victim's fault in your opinion
 
Hyper said:
Pretty sure those were just NYPD supporters, not actual cops.

Either way, people supporting either side are idiots.
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While I don't support the senseless murder of cops that had nothing to do with Garner's death, I do understand why the killer felt the way they did. His insanity is a reflection of how he believes the world sees blacks. I don't understand how people can support a comic book character like Ra's Al Ghul point of view, but then not see this guy's point of view in real life.

He leveled the playing field by showing people that an institution is only as strong as its supporters. Being a cop doesn't put you above the law, and killing random officers was unfortunate, but I believe he was trying to demonstrate how random black men are targeted and no one cares.


As a black man I understand where he was coming from.
 
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If this is how the shooter felt about the police, then why did he shoot his GF? I don't beleive for a second that he was seeking "eye-for-an-eye" revenge in the wake of the brown/garner deaths. I think this incident is nothing more than a mentally unstable person who used the recent deaths of those two as a platform for his selfish act. This is why you're hearing the families of garner/brown, those protesting on their behalves etc. distancing themselves AND their movement from the heinous act(s) from yesterday.
 
John Hancock said:
He leveled the playing field by showing people that an institution is only as strong as its supporters. Being a cop doesn't put you above the law, and killing random officers was unfortunate, but I believe he was trying to demonstrate how random black men are targeted and no one cares.
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What was he demonstrating when he killed his girlfriend?

Let's not give this lunatic any credit that he was trying to accomplish anything worthwhile.
 
This is the best news I've heard all week.

Also, very unreasonable to lump this guy up with all the peaceful protesters. Same way it is unreasonable to lump Darren Wilson & killer NYPD cops with all Police Officers.
 
ThEPoiNTGoD said:
John Hancock said:
He leveled the playing field by showing people that an institution is only as strong as its supporters. Being a cop doesn't put you above the law, and killing random officers was unfortunate, but I believe he was trying to demonstrate how random black men are targeted and no one cares.
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What was he demonstrating when he killed his girlfriend?

Let's not give this lunatic any credit that he was trying to accomplish anything worthwhile.
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You dont level the playing field by killing two cops, you level the playing field by obtaining high positions in the court system and let the guilty be punished. Us young black kids can change that but until we get some leadership in the community things will not change unfortunately. Ignorant people are going to praise this psycho for using a real situation as an excuse to enact violence on innocent people. The police and the court system is wrong too but thats a whole different convo
 
JJs07 said:
If this is how the shooter felt about the police, then why did he shoot his GF? I don't beleive for a second that he was seeking "eye-for-an-eye" revenge in the wake of the brown/garner deaths. I think this incident is nothing more than a mentally unstable person who used the recent deaths of those two as a platform for his selfish act. This is why you're hearing the families of garner/brown, those protesting on their behalves etc. distancing themselves AND their movement from the heinous act(s) from yesterday.
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why didn't police distant themselves from darren wilson and the NY cop?
 
What disgusts me is how every revolutionary cop killer also feels the need to kill civilians causing them & their message to lose all credibility. So frustrating.
 
Mr Marcus said:
JJs07 said:
If this is how the shooter felt about the police, then why did he shoot his GF? I don't beleive for a second that he was seeking "eye-for-an-eye" revenge in the wake of the brown/garner deaths. I think this incident is nothing more than a mentally unstable person who used the recent deaths of those two as a platform for his selfish act. This is why you're hearing the families of garner/brown, those protesting on their behalves etc. distancing themselves AND their movement from the heinous act(s) from yesterday.
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why didn't police distant themselves from darren wilson and the NY cop?
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On my phone, but maybe you can answer my question i asked Diego a page or two back...
 
JohnnyRedStorm said:
The guy also killed his girlfriend so let's not act like he wasn't borderline insane to begin with.
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Insanity is subjective, some people may feel religion is borderline insanity. I know as a black man, it's borderline insane how trained white men in law enforcement or criminal justice keep placing themselves in situations where they have to justify killing a black man and the world believes it.

They tried to make American racism a psychological disorder under the classification of collective obsessional behavior, but it was proven to be a social issue that was being WILLFULLY adopted. 


Insane would living in a world where it's okay perpetuate the systematic oppression of a group of people as long as it doesn't affect them, and expecting that group to be okay with their lives marginalized.
 
zapatohead408 said:
This is what I think should be done. Let them know, you have the ability to defend yourself, and if need be, you will do it.

Why do you think the orison system works against minorities? Give them some felonies and they can't legally purchase a firearm. They don't want minorities to have power. I'm not saying the prison system is the way it is only for that reason, but I'm sure it's one of the reasons.
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My question is what will change if a cop knows I am holding that heat legal son won't test me because I can pull it out on him eventually getting ripped by bullets idk if me having a gun will change how a cop will treat me. Unless I want him to be scared of me and on edge which is what I want to avoid.
 
Here's the ?:


Diego - do you think this is the reason why you don't see members of the NYPD denouncing Pantaleo for what he did to Garner? You'd have to think since the NYPD is unionized, the trickle-down effect for speaking out would signal the end of your career in law enforcement. Yes, I realize that's what part of the problem is, but these officers are certainly in a tough spot.
 
The guy killed his girlfriend before shooting these cops if that doesn't strike you as someone that's borderline insane to begin with I don't know what to say. What did his girlfriend do to deserve to be killed? This guy is on par with Hinkley shooting the president to impress Jodie Foster.
 
Seeing the same arguments constantly repeated isn't even worth the time. Might as well just make use of the block feature and keep it pushing.

Anyways, can't exactly say im surprised by this. Eventually figured that this was a guarantee, not just a possibility. The 'Us vs. Them' ideology is being pushed on almost every platform, and police haven't exactly done anything to address this. Even among 'educated' (prejudicial people like to call these, 'the good ones') blacks, being black myself, express the same resounding distrust and distaste of the police force in most of my personal discussions.

It's pretty obvious they weren't explicitly targeted for actions they may have committed during their career as police officials, but instead were executed for being representative of the system itself.

Hard to just sit here and act like I don't understand it.. Like someone said in the first few pages, the **** has peaceful protest actually accomplished for blacks in this country? We no longer have to toil in fields and wear shackles, have race-based restrictions on where we can and cannot go (sometimes), or fear klansmen/racist plotting on our lives and being exonerated in court (sometimes), but things aren't even close to being solved. Every time we've, 'defeated the system', it's just taken a different form. I can definitely understand the frustration.

But on the other hand, the gunman was clearly troubled. The fact that he killed his girlfriend just days prior is something that destroys any character he may have had as a martyr, its clear dude was bat**** crazy. While im not exactly sympathetic in this situation, I hope this doesn't spark a chain of police executions. Let's be real, if it actually does become 'Us vs. Them', we lose. This is not the way.... But neither is peaceful protest, obviously.
 
JJs07 said:
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Diego - do you think this is the reason why you don't see members of the NYPD denouncing Pantaleo for what he did to Garner? You'd have to think since the NYPD is unionized, the trickle-down effect for speaking out would signal the end of your career in law enforcement. Yes, I realize that's what part of the problem is, but these officers are certainly in a tough spot.
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pages back in this thread I stated this theory and also that most cops didn't have the best jobs before becoming cops. So they throw their morals out the door for the sake of job security and good benefits.

If you have a family to feed and speaking against the force can potentially disrupt that then you have to make a choice. Most minority officers made that choice and while I respect their decision I'm not gonna sit here and cry when they fall victim.

Being a police isn't dangerous so sometimes unfortunate **** will happen. Pretty sure more folks were either killed or beat down by them (unjustly) than officers that were killed 
 
you put enough cops lives in danger the national guard gets called in and now you're dealing with the military and martial law. have fun with that.
 
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