18 year old shot by Police in Berkley missouri.

My whole thing with Garner was, was there really any need to take him down and force arrest upon him? He was selling loosies supposedly, ok I guess I get why that's a crime thanks to tobacco lobbyists and tax policy, but is that enough to take away someone's civil liberties and potentially violate their 8th amendment? Was he 100% compliant, not really, but he also wasn't resisting arrest enough to endanger any officers or be deserving of physical apprehension. In an instant like that, the police should've been more understanding and patient instead of forcing themselves onto him. To me, those cops and the state deserves to be sued for Garner's death. The kid in the pink houses that got shot on accident, again the state deserves to be sued. These are instances of gross incompetence that endangered people that were not threatening the lives of the officers or any humans for that matter.
 
ME662LL A said:
I feel like you guys are also blowing the amount of white on black crime in America way out of proportion. Not necessarily anyones individual fault as the media has been putting a large spin on racism lately to increase ratings. But statistical evidence shows that African Americans commit much more crimes against white than vice versa. 
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Whites also do more damage on a grander scale when you consider some of the stuff going on in financial institutions. Yes no lives may have been directly lost in the financial collapse but the country and world economies were put on their deathbed due to gross incompetence and horrific risk management by greedy bankers.
 
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Whites also do more damage on a grander scale when you consider some of the stuff going on in financial institutions. Yes no lives may have been directly lost in the financial collapse but the country and world economies were put on their deathbed due to gross incompetence and horrific risk management by greedy bankers.
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What does this have to do with anything?
 
JohnnyRedStorm said:
My whole thing with Garner was, was there really any need to take him down and force arrest upon him? He was selling loosies supposedly
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I don't disagree with this mindset on that specific law but at the end of the day. I guess it's easier for citizens to point fingers at the cops for enforcing the laws, rather than the politicians who create them, right? 
 
ME662LL A said:
I feel like you guys are also blowing the amount of white on black crime in America way out of proportion. Not necessarily anyones individual fault as the media has been putting a large spin on racism lately to increase ratings. But statistical evidence shows that African Americans commit much more crimes against white than vice versa. 
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"Much more," huh? :lol:

Don't say people are blowing thing out of proportion and then turn around and say some **** like that. Without the so called stats to back it up.

*waits for numbers from some conservative website*
 
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ThEPoiNTGoD said:
JohnnyRedStorm said:
Whites also do more damage on a grander scale when you consider some of the stuff going on in financial institutions. Yes no lives may have been directly lost in the financial collapse but the country and world economies were put on their deathbed due to gross incompetence and horrific risk management by greedy bankers.
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What does this have to do with anything?
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Dude I quoted mentioned whites doing less crime when in actuality they just commit different crimes that could potentially have more severe repercussions.
 
ME662LL A said:
I feel like you guys are also blowing the amount of white on black crime in America way out of proportion. Not necessarily anyones individual fault as the media has been putting a large spin on racism lately to increase ratings. But statistical evidence shows that African Americans commit much more crimes against white than vice versa. 
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But what has that got to do with anything? Is it supposed to tell me that blacks are just more criminally inclined? Let's put some perspective on that stat. White people make up close to 78% of the population. If Any one person of any race decides their going to do a crime to someone that day, the odds are much much much greater that the person will be white. While black people make up about 14% of the population so the reverse just isn't anywhere near as likely.
 
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Dude I quoted mentioned whites doing less crime when in actuality they just commit different crimes that could potentially have more severe repercussions.
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How is if "crime" when it's not a criminal activity? Congress passed a bunch of financial reform laws after the fact, but nothing that the banks and rating agencies did was criminal despite all the rhetoric that was thrown around.

Unless you're referring to Ponzi-scheme guys like Madoff (and he and his whole crew are in jail).

And "whites"? They're corporate entities, many of whom are managed by whites, but there isn't a racial dichotomy where only whites were able to benefit and minorities were not. I'm not white and neither are many of my friends (of all races) and we all caked during the financial collapse. Stan O'Neal is black and caked and ran Merrill into the ground. That was a class issue, not a race issue.
 
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"Much more," huh?
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Don't say people are blowing thing out of proportion and then turn around and say some **** like that. Without the so called stats to back it up.

*waits for numbers from some conservative website*
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All the sources are at the bottom of the image. You can ignore all the other irrelevant stats. inb4 racist
 
Too Big to Fail may not have violated any "laws" but logically you can't deny what they did could've ruined this country and many others. So that to me is criminal. Maybe not by the books since the books allowed them to get away with what they did but their incompetence and disregard for people in general was certainly criminal.

Most of the CEOs and people in power encouraging that behavior was white. Call it a class thing that's fine too. But either way the disregard for logic was criminal.
 
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JohnnyRedStorm said:
Too Big to Fail may not have violated any "laws" but logically you can't deny what they did could've ruined this country and many others. So that to me is criminal. Maybe not by the books since the books allowed them to get away with what they did but their incompetence and disregard for people in general was certainly criminal.
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Sure, it did ruin this country and many others. But it's not criminal. The nature of criminality lies in whether they're violated a criminal law. None of them did. So how does this factor into your point on white/black and black/white crime when none of it is a crime?

Who cares whether you personally think it's criminal? I think it's criminal when dudes take the elevator down one floor.
 
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But what has that got to do with anything? Is it supposed to tell me that blacks are just more criminally inclined? 
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No, just to point out that this 'white skin colored people commit more crime against  brown colored people' mentality is false and only holding people back. 
 
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JohnnyRedStorm said:
Too Big to Fail may not have violated any "laws" but logically you can't deny what they did could've ruined this country and many others. So that to me is criminal. Maybe not by the books since the books allowed them to get away with what they did but their incompetence and disregard for people in general was certainly criminal.
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Sure, it did ruin this country and many others. But it's not criminal. The nature of criminality lies in whether they're violated a criminal law. None of them did. So how does this factor into your point on white/black and black/white crime when none of it is a crime?

Who cares whether you personally think it's criminal? I think it's criminal when dudes take the elevator down one floor.
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We're just gonna go in circles here. It's criminal because it put people at risk by preying on their ignorance/trust and tons of people as a result lost their jobs/houses/livelihoods etc to appease the greed of a select few. Yes no laws were broken technically but the overseers should've foresaw the dangers encompassing their actions and known the matters at hand weren't sustainable and dangerous to society. In a way, what they did was malpractice so maybe it wasn't enough to drum up criminal charges, but it was certainly a civil disservice.
 
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No, just to point out that this 'white skin colored people commit more crime against  brown colored people' mentality is false and only holding people back. 
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I didn't know that was a shared mindset amongst people here. People are more likely to commit crimes against people in close proximity to them. And people are more likely to live in close proximity to their own race. Those numbers are proportional to the population.
 
JohnnyRedStorm said:
We're just gonna go in circles here. It's criminal because it put people at risk by preying on their ignorance/trust and tons of people as a result lost their jobs/houses/livelihoods etc to appease the greed of a select few. Yes no laws were broken technically but the overseers should've foresaw the dangers encompassing their actions and known the matters at hand weren't sustainable and dangerous to society.
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Alright, you got it man. Stuff is a crime now just because you think it is in your head.
 
I know it's hard for you to understand this because you've been bashing people of color and you wanna believe anything negative that people have to say about them, but that whole picture is full of rhetoric designed to make people actually believe African Americans go out and harm these poor white folks more than any other race.

The whole thing is flawed and whoever made that (because it surely didn't come directly from the DOJ or BJS) basically admitted to it when they said the numbers are misleading because whites clearly make up more of the population than blacks.

So yea, you might want to google the creator.
 
ThEPoiNTGoD said:
JohnnyRedStorm said:
We're just gonna go in circles here. It's criminal because it put people at risk by preying on their ignorance/trust and tons of people as a result lost their jobs/houses/livelihoods etc to appease the greed of a select few. Yes no laws were broken technically but the overseers should've foresaw the dangers encompassing their actions and known the matters at hand weren't sustainable and dangerous to society.
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Alright, you got it man. Stuff is a crime now just because you think it is in your head.
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So you think predatory loans is totally fine? Enticing people setting them up for failure isn't criminal? Just because there wasn't a law set up at the time? I don't understand how you could logically sit here and say there wasn't a clear and present danger by the actions of a few that impacted the nation and planet economically.
 
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Exactly, it's easy to protest and march against the police.
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Just because it's hard to solve a complex problem doesn't mean you should ignore a simple problem

The problem is for the police to show more resistant.

You know act like professionals

You know not kill unarmed citizens.

Pretty simple stuff.
 
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JohnnyRedStorm said:
So you think predatory loans is totally fine? Enticing people setting them up for failure isn't criminal? Just because there wasn't a law set up at the time? I don't understand how you could logically sit here and say there wasn't a clear and present danger by the actions of a few that impacted the nation and planet economically.
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I never said any of it is fine. I just said none of it is a crime. Because it wasn't. There were no laws to make it a crime.

If you think the definition of crime means "crime + stuff that's not a crime but is bad for society" then I don't know what to tell you.
 
thepointgod thepointgod

So until it is considered an official crime, it's not a crime?

So all those people selling crack in the early 80's weren't doing anything illegal because crack had yet to be classified in a law?

:nerd:
 
Like I said changing a whole socioeconomic problem isn't easy

Start with the easiest problems first and one of the more easy problems is holding the police more accountable for their actions.

If most of the police are doing the right thing, they shouldn't mind more accountability and safeguards
 
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