Man Suffocates in the Hands of Mall Security while Screaming "I can't breathe"

And also it's insightful to see how quickly (or blindly) the "sides" align

Not dissimilar to the rest of the country.

Perspective is key folks
 
LIONBLOOD said:
JohnnyRedStorm said:
i mean when i learned first aid first thing i learned about someone choking was listen to the strength of their cough/voice and obviously, you could tell in this instance dude is struggling since its a weakened/muffled sound. he's got a knee in his back, that's gonna make it tough to breathe, right? there has to be a better way to detain someone than some of the methods used this past year.
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lol @ "if you can talk you can breathe"

The security guard wasn't buying it. When someone is struggling and resisting arrest, it's easier said than done but new tactics should be taught.

The knee in the back stops them from getting their torso up, but of course it makes it hard to breathe. Cops are bout to stop running out of tactics.




What are your thoughts on tranquilizer guns?:nerd:  
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i honestly don't know enough about the health ramifications of tranquilizers, but that thought did cross my mind. are they safe and effective? meth made a great point n the ferguson thread about how we still haven't developed a nonlethal mean for subduing people.
 
If you plan to use tranquilizers, you have to worry about someone's airway.  They can land wrong, have predisposed conditions or have adverse reactions to the chemicals.  Granted, there now have been 2 cases of "I can't breathe" with that individual dying.  But how many times have cops altered their grip to accommodate the suspect?  If theyre tranquilized, they wouldnt be able to communicate in any way/shape/form.   
 
Essentially any form of subduing someone could have the potential to kill that person depending on their other comorbidties etc.
 
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LIONBLOOD said:
moonmaster3 said:
Or this guy could just not criminally trespass at the mall and resist.
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America is one of few countries where someone can commit crime, like clearly commit crime and still have a voice to b***** about how they were treated.  People wanna talk about privilege. But I guess that's what makes us different from North Korea so let's continue the discussion. In those South Asian countries you get caught with weed or any drugs you're automatically on the death penalty.
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In the U.S. legal system, punishments are meant to be proportionate to the crime. That's why there are misdemeanors, felonies, and even different levels of murder, carrying punishments ranging from nothing, community service, some jail, a lot of jail, and in the most extreme cases, the death penalty. Public execution is not on that list.

If you support public execution as the punishment for any "clearly commit[ted] crime"--without even knowing what this guy did--without a trial to allow the guy to tell his side of the story, have evidence and witnesses presented against him, and be judged by his peers--without the chance for appeal if by some stroke of bad luck, something went wrong with the arrest, evidence, or trial (sarcasm)--then you support of a very scary police state and overturning a couple centuries worth of well-settled American law. In fact, you support a bunch of random dudes--potentially idiots--from your community in cops playing the role of judge, jury, and executioner. Nevermind that they might make mistakes, be racist, have personal animus against people, or that the U.S. legal system has never given that much power to one person, let alone some guy who may or may not have passed a couple month police academy.

It's appalling that the logic of so many people is: "one cop thinks the guy committed a misdemeanor? F due process, F the Bill of Rights, kill him, he deserves it."
 
UTVOL23 said:
Essentially any form of subduing someone could have the potential to kill that person depending on their other comorbidties etc.
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This is why training is important. Proper training is the difference between "if you can talk you can breathe" and actually helping someone who's gasping for air.

All that "well they could be lying, they'd say anything to get out" is ********.

I wish someone had ran up and temple kicked the security.
 
Why are you talking about compliance? I'm talking about training that could prevent death due to negligence.

Training that focuses on empathy and not making rent a cops and dumb *** actual cops feel like soldiers, but public servants and guardians as they're supposed to be.
 
In b4 this thread doesnt get past 5 pages because its a white guy



dat NT logic :rolleyes
 
This was awful. Guy is pinned down by three dudes screaming for his life that he can't breathe. On his stomach after he just got pepper sprayed.. Cmon
 
Zyzz said:
In b4 this thread doesnt get past 5 pages because its a white guy



dat NT logic :rolleyes
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I didn't even know he was white.
I still thought it was a big deal.

It's about police (guard) brutality on blacks as well as all citizens.
If you only care when Al Sharpton cares then are you really why better than him?
 
I was hoping this would just be another troll thread like the chess one.

Damn :smh:
Diego said:
The law is so funny.
Is this murder or is it just negligence?
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For it to be negligence on it's own with not other charges you have to have been trained/studied and be considered competent about the subject. There's a more legal explanation that makes the distinction clear though.
 
LIONBLOOD said:
RIP sleazyy said:
Why are you talking about compliance? I'm talking about training that could prevent death due to negligence.

 
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Ok sorry about the semantics, training doesn't guarantee prevention of negligence in ANY PROFESSION.
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So are you arguing against training police and armed security to be empathetic? Like I don't know what your point is or if you really have one.
 
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Diego said:
Zyzz said:
In b4 this thread doesnt get past 5 pages because its a white guy



dat NT logic :rolleyes
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I didn't even know he was white.
I still thought it was a big deal.

It's about police (guard) brutality on blacks as well as all citizens.
If you only care when Al Sharpton cares then are you really why better than him?
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is he white? i read your OP and said dude white or white dude :lol:
 
RIP McKenzie Cochran
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Wow... I spend 2 days in the hospital, come back and we talking tranquilizers now? Lmao
 
LIONBLOOD said:
RIP sleazyy said:
So are you arguing against training police and armed security to be empathetic? Like I don't know what your point is or if you really have one.
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I'm not saying we don't need to train cops, I'm arguing against you implying that police related deaths will somehow disappear with more training. Cops already get trained in how to "safely" subdue a perp. I suppose we could review those tactics and re-train them but mistakes will still happen, some cops will be negligent, people may die.
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So you're saying that because people make mistakes then there's no point in updating procedures and training cops after something like this happens?
 
LIONBLOOD said:
RIP sleazyy said:
So are you arguing against training police and armed security to be empathetic? Like I don't know what your point is or if you really have one.
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I'm not saying we don't need to train cops, I'm arguing against you implying that police related deaths will somehow disappear with more training. Cops already get trained in how to "safely" subdue a perp. I suppose we could review those tactics and re-train them but mistakes will still happen, some cops will be negligent, people may die.
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I didn't imply that at all. I said they need better training, because it could be the difference between "if you can talk you can breathe" and knowing that that statement is false.

This is why there are police education groups and Yale criminologists working on new training methods. Because they also understand that police and security training is part of the overall problem.

Where there are humans there will be error, especially with an overinflated sense of self worth and power. Training them to be more empathetic vs training them to think civilians are the enemy could go a long way. The problem should be attacked at the root.
 
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