A few 'FYI' things about Nike and Nike products.........

menoforegon · Apr 4, 2008

Just a few 'FYI' things(take it however you want) that are good to know or have been asked a few times.

Our designers, engineers, scientists, testers, EKINS, etc. don't like the use of the word "bubble" to describe our Air Units. It is not a"bubble". A bubble is what you blow from chewing gum. It is called an Air Unit. With respect to their college degrees in various sciences, hard work,and countless hours of research, we prefer to use the proper name when referring to our Air Units.(Encapsulated Air, Visible Air, Tuned Air, Max Air,Tube Air, Blow Molded Air, Zoom Air) Thanks!

Caged Zoom Air is thicker than Zoom Air - it's 13 millimeters to be exact - and wider than a regular Zoom Air unit. Foundin a "heel only" configuration. Debuted in 2003.

There are three main types of cross training shoes: Sport Training, Fitness Training, and Life.

Nike Pro is a category of performance athletic apparel that uses Nike apparel technologies, not a technology itself. There are three kinds ofNike Pro garments: Nike Pro Tight, Nike Pro Vent, and Nike Pro Thermal.

Nike eyewear, or Nike Vision, falls into three basic groups: Performance, Active, andPrescription or Rx.

Nike Timing products are divided into three categories as well: Performance, Active, and Monitoring.

If the name does not have 'AIR' in it, it doesn't have any Air cushioning in the midsole whatsoever. Some people are confusedabout that.

If you've ever wondered what the 3.0, 4.0, 5.0, and 7.0 stand for in the Nike FREE, here's the explanation. If beingbarefoot is a 0, and wearing shoes is a 10, the number corresponds to where the shoe stands on that scale. Obviously the lower numbers are closer to a"barefoot feeling".

There have been more questions asked, but these are the only ones that I can remember at this time. Sorry.

clkru · Apr 4, 2008

Thanks!

What happened to Tuned Air? I had some bball shoes that utilized that tech back in '99 and loved them.

jbv1 · Apr 4, 2008

Thanks Men Of Oegon - MODS when the time comes we need to glossary this or at least archive.

My question is - how does Nike determine how or which shoe to retro & why the wack-$$@ colour selection recently?

Most people on this site (or in general of age to remember them) want the retros to come back in the OG colourway

Specifically for myself (& maybe WallyHopp, INDECS, etc) the Air Trainer SC orange/white/blue & any of the Air Trainer IIs? Hope you can answer &thanks in advance.

menoforegon · Apr 4, 2008

I believe Tuned Air was abandoned due to the complexity of sizing and "tuning" the mechanical elements(half spheres found in the Air unit on themedial side). Someone correct me if I'm wrong? Chime on in if anyone can shed more light on the matter.

Other than a brief retroing of the running model, the technology is considered obsolete.

airjordan jb23 · Apr 4, 2008

Good info.

Caged Zoom Air is thicker than Zoom Air - it's 13 millimeters to be exact - and wider than a regular Zoom Air unit. Found in a "heel only" configuration. Debuted in 2003.
I've heard this term before, but what shoes has it been used in (Caged Zoom Air)?

menoforegon · Apr 4, 2008

The Air Zoom Miler and the Zoom LeBron II have it. Also, there's a baseball cleat that has it as well. Ahh, the name escapes me right now!

foot soulja3 · Apr 4, 2008

air zoom 5-tool

krisp kicks · Apr 4, 2008

jbv: I believe one reason the OG colourway of a shoe is rarely retro'd is it would be difficult to discern between the actual OG shoe, and the Retro. Thiswould create a bit of a conflict because it seems to me that Nike is one of the few company's that tries to keep in mind the wishes of the die hard, corecustomers when possible. I know if I had a rare pare of DS sneakers, and then the same exact model/colourway was re-released I would be less than thrilled. Iagree alot of the retro colourways on older model sneakers like the AM 90, or AM 1 are less than thrilling, especially the general release ones. But it kind ofmaintains a bit of "purity" of the actual OG shoes.

menoforegon · Apr 4, 2008

Originally Posted by Foot Soulja3

air zoom 5-tool

Yes! Thank you.

5 - Tool is one of the baseball cleated footwear silos(category). Cleats in this silo are designed to provide support and comfort. 5 -Tool refers to a player's ability to 1. Get hits at key points in the game (hitting for average), 2. Hit big home runs (hitting for power), 3.Steal bases successfully (running speed), 4. Throw out players at the plate (arm strength), and 5. Make amazing defensive plays (fielding ability).

wallyhopp · Apr 4, 2008

Originally Posted by MenofOregon

There are three main types of cross training shoes: Sport Training, Fitness Training, and Life.

Can you expand on that? Im a big fan of basic cross training shoes. shoes that can be worn for every gym activity. not this new trend that Under Armourbrought out where they have speed, power, and agility based shoes. So now when I go to the gym, I have to take 3 pairs to cover everything. they arent reallycross training in the truest sense. much like nike's newest sparq trainers. they arent really gym cross training all purpose shoes but more about speed anddrill training shoes for a specific sport. It seems to be such a different concept from where it orginiated. maybe some shoe model exmaples in each of thesport training, fitness training, and life would clear up my confusion. i mean, i can still wear my 2000 nike air trainer 1 high retros at the gym and competein every activity. nike seems to be going backwards diverting an all purpose shoe into individualized performance shoes.

aelione ingersol · Apr 4, 2008

why did nike turn new shox into bubbles? now there are too many bubbles.

menoforegon · Apr 4, 2008

WallyHopp wrote:

Originally Posted by MenofOregon

There are three main types of cross training shoes: Sport Training, Fitness Training, and Life.

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Can you expand on that? Im a big fan of basic cross training shoes. shoes that can be worn for every gym activity. not this new trend that Under Armour brought out where they have speed, power, and agility based shoes. So now when I go to the gym, I have to take 3 pairs to cover everything. they arent really cross training in the truest sense. much like nike's newest sparq trainers. they arent really gym cross training all purpose shoes but more about speed and drill training shoes for a specific sport. It seems to be such a different concept from where it orginiated. maybe some shoe model exmaples in each of the sport training, fitness training, and life would clear up my confusion. i mean, i can still wear my 2000 nike air trainer 1 high retros at the gym and compete in every activity. nike seems to be going backwards diverting an all purpose shoe into individualized performance shoes.

Good points WallyHopp. I'll do my best to clarify.

The truth of the matter is, cross-training has evolved into a more dynamic, diverse, elaborate activity since the debut of Nike cross-training in 1987 .Athletes are stronger, faster, and more focused and determined to succeed at their fullest potential now more than ever. Because of this expansion, therewon't always be a one "all purpose" shoe on the market to cover all the different types of athletes and their specific needs. Take forinstance the Air Zoom Turf(Barry Sanders shoe), a great indoor turf shoe to run drills with, but wouldn't really be an asset to you in, lets say, stepaerobics.

SPARQ training shoes are best utilized with the SPARQ system, as was the intent in mind when they were designed. If youhad to throw them in one of the three types, it would best be suited under Sport Training. I will list a brief description below.

Sport Training - Indoor/outdoor shoes for all kinds of activities. Lateral support, great cushioning and flexibility for forward motion arecritical to sport training. Many Sport Training shoes are takedowns of their cleated cousins. They provide the same fit and feel as game-day shoes, but theycan be worn off the field for other training activities. Mostly field and turf shoes come to mind (i.e. Deion Sanders line, Ken Griffey Jr. line, etc.)

Fitness Training - Fitness Training shoes deliver immediate comfort and performance for working out at the gym, while representing a goodvalue. Today there are weight training, cardio machines, gym classes like spinning, kick-boxing, step aerobics, cardio dance classes, and just about anythingelse you can imagine. All of these different activities and equipment mean that the signature versatility that training shoes provide is more essential thanever. Shoes that come to mind: Free Trainers, IMPAX, Air Max 180 TR, SLAT Trainers, Air Edge Trainers, etc. .

Life - Casual athletic footwear made for everyday life. They deliver comfort and support, and they are usually priced well. Examples: AirMonarch, Air VXT II, T-Lite V RX, etc. .

Hope this helps clear things up a bit?

menoforegon · Apr 4, 2008

Originally Posted by aelione ingersol

why did nike turn new shox into bubbles? now there are too many bubbles.

The Nike SHOX Experience+ is a combination of all three cushioning systems, SHOX, Air Max, and Zoom. It's designed to give your feet a very plushedride when running. The SHOX are not turned into "bubbles". Please refer to my original post about "bubbles".

kobe fan · Apr 4, 2008

I always hated my Air bubble popping when i was a kid.

justforshoes · Apr 4, 2008

This is a very good post...thank you MenofOregon

justforshoes · Apr 4, 2008

what is the difference between Air Max and Zoom Air, if any?

darthska · Apr 4, 2008

I would like for no one to ever use the term 'bred' to talk about a black/red shoe. Please only use 'black/red' from now on.

Does that mean it's going to happen? Even if I ask nicely, will it happen?

Absolutely not.

While I appreciate the knowledge you've shared on the different technologies, I hope you realize that it won't stop people from using the term'bubble'.

menoforegon · Apr 4, 2008

Originally Posted by justforshoes

what is the difference between Air Max and Zoom Air, if any?

Max Air technology is a form of Nike Air cushioning that contains maximum air volume for maximum impact protection. ALWAYS visible in the midsole. Canbe shaped into multiple chambers, heights, and pressures. Debuted in 1987.

Zoom Air cushioning is a flat, thin unit that provides low-profile, super responsive cushioning for quick movement. If you look closely inside there is astretched, tensile fabric within the bladder. Debuted in 1996.

menoforegon · Apr 4, 2008

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

I would like for no one to ever use the term 'bred' to talk about a black/red shoe. Please only use 'black/red' from now on.

Does that mean it's going to happen? Even if I ask nicely, will it happen?

Absolutely not.

While I appreciate the knowledge you've shared on the different technologies, I hope you realize that it won't stop people from using the term 'bubble'.

Although I do understand your thoughts, I'd like to add that the name 'bred' was given as a nickname by "shoeheads". I cannotstand the nickname 'bred'. It is NOT a color that's written in a catalog or shoebox.

We, however, did NOT ever give a nickname for our Air cushioning units at any point in time. It was always named an Air-Sole unit since it wasintroduced to us by former NASA engineer Frank Rudy. I don't think someone with that level of education would ever call it a "bubble" andintroduce it to Mr. Knight as such.

You'd be looked at very oddly, and quite possibly corrected, if you said that to a Campus employee. It's simply not a choice. The correct terminologyis Air-Sole unit, Air cushioning unit, or Air Unit.

wallyhopp · Apr 4, 2008

MenofOregon, thanks. that helped clarifying my confusion. I love my mid cut trainers so im awfully glad the zoom tennis trainer retros are coming out again.time to horde and stockpile knowing the direction nike has taken in trainers.

thanks

briannnnn · Apr 4, 2008

MenOfOregon: what is that fabric inside the Zoom Air units made of?

menoforegon · Apr 4, 2008

The fabric is made up of thin, tensile nylon fibers that are stretched out. Once it's surrounded by Air pressure it makes sort of a "trampolineeffect".

darthska · Apr 4, 2008

me:
I would like for no one to ever use the term 'bred' to talk about a black/red shoe. Please only use 'black/red' from now on.

Does that mean it's going to happen? Even if I ask nicely, will it happen?

Absolutely not.

While I appreciate the knowledge you've shared on the different technologies, I hope you realize that it won't stop people from using the term 'bubble'.

MenofOregon:
Although I do understand your thoughts, I'd like to add that the name 'bred' was given as a nickname by "shoeheads". I cannot stand the nickname 'bred'. It is NOT a color that's written in a catalog or shoebox.

We, however, did NOT ever give a nickname for our Air cushioning units at any point in time. It was always named an Air-Sole unit since it was introduced to us by former NASA engineer Frank Rudy. I don't think someone with that level of education would ever call it a "bubble" and introduce it to Mr. Knight as such.

You'd be looked at very oddly, and quite possibly corrected, if you said that to a Campus employee. It's simply not a choice. The correct terminology is Air-Sole unit, Air cushioning unit, or Air Unit.

Oh, I completely understand where you're coming from; I get your point.

I just don't think you're getting my point. My point is that there is a difference between 'professional discourse' and 'casualconversation'. I despise the term 'bred' and I would never use it, but I can't REASONABLY expect it to go away just because it's not on abox.

I hate the term 'bred'.

Is 'bred' on any shoe box, anywhere?
Of course not.

Will that stop people from using it in casual conversation?
Of course not.

Apply that same concept to this thread. Realistically, it's not reasonable to expect people to use professional language in casual conversation. You candrop knowledge and let people know what the correct terms are, but you can't reasonably expect everyone to use those terms from now on, and only thoseterms.

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menoforegon · Apr 4, 2008

Agreed.

cycopth · Apr 4, 2008

Originally Posted by MenofOregon

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

I would like for no one to ever use the term 'bred' to talk about a black/red shoe. Please only use 'black/red' from now on.

Does that mean it's going to happen? Even if I ask nicely, will it happen?

Absolutely not.

While I appreciate the knowledge you've shared on the different technologies, I hope you realize that it won't stop people from using the term 'bubble'.

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Although I do understand your thoughts, I'd like to add that the name 'bred' was given as a nickname by "shoeheads". I cannot stand the nickname 'bred'. It is NOT a color that's written in a catalog or shoebox.

We, however, did NOT ever give a nickname for our Air cushioning units at any point in time. It was always named an Air-Sole unit since it was introduced to us by former NASA engineer Frank Rudy. I don't think someone with that level of education would ever call it a "bubble" and introduce it to Mr. Knight as such.

You'd be looked at very oddly, and quite possibly corrected, if you said that to a Campus employee. It's simply not a choice. The correct terminology is Air-Sole unit, Air cushioning unit, or Air Unit.

ya but the fact that it could pop at one time, it's been called a bubble.

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