A few 'FYI' things about Nike and Nike products.........

is there a cushioning difference in the AJ Fusions as compared to regular air force ones?
 
MenOfOregon can you drop some info on the Advanced Fit (or Advance Fit?). From what I understand it's asia only (akin to Oakley's "asian fit"sunglasses, except for the feet). IIRC it has a wider forefoot/narrower heel? do they just use different lasts?

any info is appreciated.
 
Fantastic post MenOfOregon... thanks... haven't seen you on in a while...

I admit, I've used the term 'bubble' ever since I was kid... I'm trying to change...
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How about the term 'Air Bag'? I've heardTinker use that before... appropriate when referring to all the non-zoom air units?
 
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don't think someone with that level of education would ever call it a "bubble" and introduce it to Mr. Knight as such.

You'd be looked at very oddly, and quite possibly corrected, if you said that to a Campus employee. It's simply not a choice. The correct terminology is Air-Sole unit, Air cushioning unit, or Air Unit.
this is so pompous, it's not even funny.

bubbles pop, burst, and deflate......reminds me of many nike products with the air technology.
 
Great post MenOfOregon!!

I was under the impression that Tuned Air was a collaboration or made exclusively for footlocker.

I noticed that Nike has recently changed thier dri-fit to Fit-Dri. What are the main changes or improvements? or was it a pure marketing decision to change thename?

Also, can you give us a bit of insight into the "Lunar Foam" that is used in the upcoming Hyperdunk?

Thanks!
 
I could have sworn that Nike don't actually hold the patent for the Tuned Air design.

Perhaps i was wrong however.
 
Originally Posted by MenofOregon

Originally Posted by aelione ingersol

why did nike turn new shox into bubbles? now there are too many bubbles.
The Nike SHOX Experience+ is a combination of all three cushioning systems, SHOX, Air Max, and Zoom. It's designed to give your feet a very plushed ride when running. The SHOX are not turned into "bubbles". Please refer to my original post about "bubbles".
This sounds quite interesting. Are there any models currently in stores that incorporate shox experience +?
 
Bubble isn't that for the Jezign brand that lights up? Anyway I always called anything with an airsole... AIR. Like when the Penny 2 and the Air MaxUptempo 3 came out, I was like man I like the one with the most air(unknowingly realizing later Zoom Air was better for me) so I'll get the 3's!
 
i know nike trainers such as the edge trainer 08 and the free trainer 7.0 utilize phylite as a form of lateral stability. can you elaborate what phylite is andhow rigid it is, compared to traditional stability webs or torsion bars found in new balance shoes? thanks.
 
Originally Posted by NobleKane

Originally Posted by MenofOregon

Originally Posted by aelione ingersol

why did nike turn new shox into bubbles? now there are too many bubbles.
The Nike SHOX Experience+ is a combination of all three cushioning systems, SHOX, Air Max, and Zoom. It's designed to give your feet a very plushed ride when running. The SHOX are not turned into "bubbles". Please refer to my original post about "bubbles".
This sounds quite interesting. Are there any models currently in stores that incorporate shox experience +?

Shox Experience is actually the model name for these shoes

http://www.champssports.com/catalog...-home/model_nbr--91907/sku--18684061/node--0/

I'm really curious as to whether or not this gives the shox a different feel, perhaps more bouncy? Or is it just a gimmick?

Also, could somebody break down how zoom air AND max air are integrated within the shox column?
 
Originally Posted by MenofOregon

If the name does not have 'AIR' in it, it doesn't have any Air cushioning in the midsole whatsoever. Some people are confused about that.

I don't know anything about Jordans, but do they have air units in them too since they are called Air Jordans? They look like they don't from theoutside visibly.
 
Originally Posted by cycopth

Originally Posted by MenofOregon

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

I would like for no one to ever use the term 'bred' to talk about a black/red shoe. Please only use 'black/red' from now on.

Does that mean it's going to happen? Even if I ask nicely, will it happen?

Absolutely not.

While I appreciate the knowledge you've shared on the different technologies, I hope you realize that it won't stop people from using the term 'bubble'.
Although I do understand your thoughts, I'd like to add that the name 'bred' was given as a nickname by "shoeheads". I cannot stand the nickname 'bred'. It is NOT a color that's written in a catalog or shoebox.

We, however, did NOT ever give a nickname for our Air cushioning units at any point in time. It was always named an Air-Sole unit since it was introduced to us by former NASA engineer Frank Rudy. I don't think someone with that level of education would ever call it a "bubble" and introduce it to Mr. Knight as such.

You'd be looked at very oddly, and quite possibly corrected, if you said that to a Campus employee. It's simply not a choice. The correct terminology is Air-Sole unit, Air cushioning unit, or Air Unit.

ya but the fact that it could pop at one time, it's been called a bubble.

Our Air-Sole units do not "pop", they deflate. And that is usually due to them being punctured somehow or worn out over time.

TheAdiMac, good question. From what I understand, the AJ Fusions have a full length Air Sole unit, as opposed to a "heel only"encapsulated Air unit like the original AF 1's.
 
Originally Posted by eddiehouse5

I
don't think someone with that level of education would ever call it a "bubble" and introduce it to Mr. Knight as such.

You'd be looked at very oddly, and quite possibly corrected, if you said that to a Campus employee. It's simply not a choice. The correct terminology is Air-Sole unit, Air cushioning unit, or Air Unit.
this is so pompous, it's not even funny.

bubbles pop, burst, and deflate......reminds me of many nike products with the air technology.

Try making a "bubble" out of soap and water and see if it will "deflate". I don't think so. Chances are it will pop or burst.Our Air units don't do either so it's not considered a "bubble".

SinnerP, Air bag is acceptable in our company.
 
Our designers, engineers, scientists, testers, EKINS, etc. don't like the use of the word "bubble" to describe our Air Units. It is not a "bubble". A bubble is what you blow from chewing gum. It is called an Air Unit. With respect to their college degrees in various sciences, hard work, and countless hours of research, we prefer to use the proper name when referring to our Air Units.(Encapsulated Air, Visible Air, Tuned Air, Max Air, Tube Air, Blow Molded Air, Zoom Air) Thanks!


Jesus. How pompous! thanks, I will file this along side Helio's "don't call us a phone company." I wouldn't want my casual references toundermine these guy's hard work and diplomas. I sure wouldn't want these guys to scoff at a reference about shoes amongst sneaker fans. I mean youwouldn't ever want to go on a Sharper Image forum and make reference to your "massage chair". hell no. that's a comfort-matic-lambskinmicroscopic tingling finger knot kneading electro barca with swedish sure-grip suck machine attachments. "massage chair." haha.
 
Originally Posted by STORM RYDER

Great post MenOfOregon!!

I was under the impression that Tuned Air was a collaboration or made exclusively for footlocker.

I noticed that Nike has recently changed thier dri-fit to Fit-Dri. What are the main changes or improvements? or was it a pure marketing decision to change the name?

Also, can you give us a bit of insight into the "Lunar Foam" that is used in the upcoming Hyperdunk?

Thanks!
Come to think of it, I've only seen Tuned Air at Foot Locker and Champs as well. That may be true. Has anyone else seen it at other stores?

As far as Dri-FIT being changed to FIT-Dri; yes, it was a marketing decision. Since FIT stands for FunctionalInnovative Technology, it was intuitive that it would be placed before whatever type it was.

Lunar Foam is fairly new. I'll see what I can find out.
 
We at niketalk bow down and thank you for the info as well as gracing us with your presence.


I hope your attitude and smug demenor is not common around campus-reading your posts makes me want to burn everything I own with a swoosh on it.
 
Originally Posted by Cement Greyman

....is air pocket ok to say?
Haven't heard that one before. Although I don't know how it would apply to the Air units? There aren't any pockets of air. It's usuallya whole chamber of Air, sometimes with segmented areas.

Everyone, it's not imperative to use the proper terminology, but if you're referencing technology that's been researched, designed, and innovatedby engineers and scientists for years, why wouldn't you call it by its correct name to others as well as yourself? It's not a "street name",it's a technology. Would you call your parents by their first names? Of course not. That's not a sign of respect to the many years that they'vegiven to your life. It's a matter of respect to all who are involved with the whole process.

The choice is yours on what to call it.
 
Originally Posted by GregOdensBedpan

i know nike trainers such as the edge trainer 08 and the free trainer 7.0 utilize phylite as a form of lateral stability. can you elaborate what phylite is and how rigid it is, compared to traditional stability webs or torsion bars found in new balance shoes? thanks.
I'm not sure I understand your question. Phylite is a newer midsole material.
 
Originally Posted by NYCZ ILLEST

Originally Posted by MenofOregon

If the name does not have 'AIR' in it, it doesn't have any Air cushioning in the midsole whatsoever. Some people are confused about that.

I don't know anything about Jordans, but do they have air units in them too since they are called Air Jordans? They look like they don't from the outside visibly.
Yes, all Air Jordans have Air in the midsole. Unfortunately, the AJ I and the AJ II have very, very minimal Air in it. It's "borderline"to say that it even has cushioning.
 
I have seen Air Max Pluses at mom & pop stores as well. But I think when they originally came out in 1998-99, they were exclusive toFootlocker/Champs/EastBay/FootAction ?
 
Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

me:
I would like for no one to ever use the term 'bred' to talk about a black/red shoe. Please only use 'black/red' from now on.

Does that mean it's going to happen? Even if I ask nicely, will it happen?

Absolutely not.

While I appreciate the knowledge you've shared on the different technologies, I hope you realize that it won't stop people from using the term 'bubble'.
MenofOregon:
Although I do understand your thoughts, I'd like to add that the name 'bred' was given as a nickname by "shoeheads". I cannot stand the nickname 'bred'. It is NOT a color that's written in a catalog or shoebox.

We, however, did NOT ever give a nickname for our Air cushioning units at any point in time. It was always named an Air-Sole unit since it was introduced to us by former NASA engineer Frank Rudy. I don't think someone with that level of education would ever call it a "bubble" and introduce it to Mr. Knight as such.

You'd be looked at very oddly, and quite possibly corrected, if you said that to a Campus employee. It's simply not a choice. The correct terminology is Air-Sole unit, Air cushioning unit, or Air Unit.

Oh, I completely understand where you're coming from; I get your point.

I just don't think you're getting my point. My point is that there is a difference between 'professional discourse' and 'casual conversation'. I despise the term 'bred' and I would never use it, but I can't REASONABLY expect it to go away just because it's not on a box.

I hate the term 'bred'.

Is 'bred' on any shoe box, anywhere?
Of course not.

Will that stop people from using it in casual conversation?
Of course not.

Apply that same concept to this thread. Realistically, it's not reasonable to expect people to use professional language in casual conversation. You can drop knowledge and let people know what the correct terms are, but you can't reasonably expect everyone to use those terms from now on, and only those terms.
nicely put. MenofOregon How much weight is an air unit suppose to withstand?
 
That's not a sign of respect to the many years that they've given to your life. It's a matter of respect to all who are involved with the whole process.

dude. listen to yourself. this is hilarious.
 
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