2016 LEXUS GS-F

this car is about 10 years too late, as the current f10 m5 and w212 e63 both with forced induction have outclassed it by far

i guess it can take on the current gen s6... 
 
While the Germans go forced induction due to CAFE regulations it seems Lexus is adamant about keeping things naturally aspirated
 
The GSF needed 500+ HP. Doesn't make sense at all. :smh:

Looks just like a 4 door RCF too. :smh:

What is going to happen with the new ISF?
 
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offbad said:
this car is about 10 years too late, as the current f10 m5 and w212 e63 both with forced induction have outclassed it by far


i guess it can take on the current gen s6... 
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can take on the previous gen m5 and e63 amg :rofl:
 
Nah, not impressed at all.


Aesthetically leaves a lot to be desired. Looks kind've cheap and plasticy.
 
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Truth-Serum said:
While the Germans go forced induction due to CAFE regulations it seems Lexus is adamant about keeping things naturally aspirated
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They started using turbo in the NX though, wouldn't be surprised if that expands to other lines but it'll likely only be on the entry level vehicles at the moment, wouldn't be surprised if it replaces the IS250s engine in the next refresh.



I think you guys are looking at the car in a completely different way, it will all depend on the price. Price this in the $70k range and it'll sell very well since it clearly isn't meant to run toe to toe with the M5 and E63. With that much power, I just can't see them costing the same as those beasts.

Keep in mind that Lexus tends to undercut their competition, the RCF with it's 306HP V6 starts at ~$43k while the comparable 435i with 300HP V6 Turbo starts at $46k.

I would not be surprised if this matches or even undercuts the price of the more comparable 550i that starts at $66k with 445HP and it's V8 Turbo. At around $65k for the GSF, it'll actually beat the E400 that starts at $63k and only has 329HP with it's biTurbo V6.


Granted, maybe Lexus shouldn't have called this a GSF but something more like GS450 or something because people finds the "F" as synonymous with the "M", "AMG" and "RS" these now when clearly that isn't their plan with this car.

Now if for some reason Lexus prices this car around the $93k mark of the M5 and E63 or just undercuts that by two grand then I think they have definitely lost their minds. :lol:
 
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No thanks. Overpriced, ugly interior, and most importantly (iirc) it doesn't come in stick.
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-Overpriced?

We dont even have pricing yet.

-Ugly interior?

Subjective, I think its gorgeous. Def better than the E63 interior.

-Doesnt come in stick?

Neither does any MB model.
 
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Got to say, those numbers are a bit disappointing though.
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Lexus needs to step it up what happened to the good ole days when the sc was a really nice car and the bug eyed gs
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there are so many cars better then this you are buying for the love of the brand
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The GS F is not Lexus' answer to BMW M, Mercedes-AMG, or Cadillac V. If it were, this car would be woefully outgunned. The competition offers 83 to 173 more horsepower, all with vastly superior torque. To its credit, Lexus knows this. One spokesperson even spelled it out, saying, "Our goal with F is to make a driver's car, not a drag race winner." It's a rationalization or an excuse, depending on your personal level of cynicism. Being eternal optimists, we'll give the GS F the benefit of the doubt.

So the GS F lacks the brash styling or incredible power figures of simliar efforts from other automakers. But it's also a great deal less expensive. The base price of $85,380 includes everything but two options: a Mark Levinson stereo system and orange-painted calipers. Only the CTS-V is close, at $85,990, but that can be optioned up near the $100,000 stratosphere occupied by the Audi RS 7, BMW M5, and Mercedes-AMG E63. The GS F occupies a middle space, just above cars like the Audi S6 and Cadillac CTS Vsport. And the Lexus comes loaded with adaptive cruise, automatic high beams, lane keeping assist, blind-spot warning, navigation, and head-up display.

On paper the GS F is underwhelming. Even in the lower drive mode settings this cars feels tepid. Change to Sport S+ and the GS F all of sudden fulfills the promise of that F badges on the front fenders. It's not a car that will win drag races, and the CTS-V is an unbeatable counterargument. In some ways the GS F is out of place in the modern world. It's a try at making an analog, balanced sports car when digital trickery and overwhelming power are the norm. And the electronic pieces of the GS F – steering and engine noise – are its weakest traits. But the rest of the car's charms increase with every mile behind the wheel. For those interested in one of the 2,000 units Lexus is bringing to the US, that's just fine.
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Should've just called it the GS500. I thought the F brand was supposed to compete with M/RS/AMG/V, at least the IS F did, but this thing is completely outclassed both power and price (and almost definitely performance) wise by the M5/RS6/7/E63/CTS-V
 
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Should've just called it the GS500. I thought the F brand was supposed to compete with M/RS/AMG/V, at least the IS F did, but this thing is completely outclassed both power and price (and almost definitely performance) wise by the M5/RS6/7/E63/CTS-V
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Not by price as I posted above:

The GS F is not Lexus' answer to BMW M, Mercedes-AMG, or Cadillac V. If it were, this car would be woefully outgunned...


So the GS F lacks the brash styling or incredible power figures of simliar efforts from other automakers. But it's also a great deal less expensive. The base price of $85,380 includes everything but two options: a Mark Levinson stereo system and orange-painted calipers. Only the CTS-V is close, at $85,990, but that can be optioned up near the $100,000 stratosphere occupied by the Audi RS 7, BMW M5, and Mercedes-AMG E63. The GS F occupies a middle space, just above cars like the Audi S6 and Cadillac CTS Vsport. And the Lexus comes loaded with adaptive cruise, automatic high beams, lane keeping assist, blind-spot warning, navigation, and head-up display.
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Lexus knows where it belongs and are comfortable in it.


To its credit, Lexus knows this. One spokesperson even spelled it out, saying, "Our goal with F is to make a driver's car, not a drag race winner." It's a rationalization or an excuse, depending on your personal level of cynicism.
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$85k 
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I'm aware that power is not everything, but Lexus just revealed a car that has less prestige, less power, less technology and then justified it all by saying it's a "driver's car", all while not offering a manual gearbox (or a DCT for the numbers-oriented people)? For that price??

Who exactly are they even trying to sell this car to? The brand-conscious people would go with the German trio any day. The performance people would take a CTS-V which has 170+ horsepower on it and magnetic ride, with just 100 lbs extra on it. Lexus buyers are usually older, married suburban people who probably aren't interested in a "super sedan", if you can call it that.

So many questions, not enough answers.
 
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So many question but you just choose not to see the answer.

For $85k, it is loaded with options. To get comparable features and options, you'd have to option out all the rest up to $100k.

Who would buy this car? Those who wants the options without paying $100k and high enough power to make it fun to drive and that do not want a Cadillac or like how the CTS-V looks. Has more reliability? Actually feels luxurious and comfortable when not in Sport mode? Not to mention many buy cars simply off the looks (which is subjective) and reliability.

You act like EVERYONE who considers a GSF will ALWAYS buy a CTS-V base only on power and price. And you act like EVERYONE who buys these cars tracks it and uses it to it's fullest capabilities.

Brand cautious people will always go German any day? :lol: Come on now, this is just being way too close-minded and looking through the 6-speed-online-forum looking glass. NTextremes at it's finest. M5 starts at $95k, E63 S starts at $101k and (no RS6 in the US but) the RS7 starts at $109k. And you are saying people will easily pay $10k to $30k more to go with the Germans before it is even optioned out? And you don't see anyone going for the market Lexus is trying to hit? Even if it is just for the budget-baller version of the high-performance mid-size sedan? No one is going to want a more optioned out GS for less?

And less prestige? GS has a long history, it may not be on the performance end but luxury-wise it is up there and has a strong following. It's still a Lexus GS and it's first array at making it a good performer. It isn't going to be the best but many are going to be happy with what they have to offer.

I am one of the few who criticized Lexus for this move, less power compared to the competition but looking at it as a bigger picture it, I see where they are going at and the 2,000 GSFs they plan to bring to the US will sell well.

I mean I am not going to fall into a car argument trap but to even ask who they are trying to sell this car to is just being a bit naive and again, close-minded. If you really think about it you'll see who the car is for and what Lexus is trying to do, it might not be for you or you simply find it ridiculous (what they are offering) but don't let that blind you act like the car will not sell at all and that it has no market.
 
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When I think of Lexus I think of bang for your buck in the big picture.
 
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