EBAY - BUYERS REMORSE - JORDAN 17

WHO'S TO BLAME?

  • SELLER's FAULT AND PARTIAL REFUND OF $200 SHOULD BE GIVEN!

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  • BUYERS FAULT FOR PLAYING BASKETBALL IN JORDAN'S

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  • JORDAN/NIKE BRANDS FAULT FOR MAKING A DEFECTIVE SNEAKER

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1.  Your return policy stated in your auction doesn't matter.

2.  He does have 180 days to file with PayPal.  

3.  Nike/JB isn't going to give out a voucher for a shoe that old.  That window was closed a good 11 years ago, since they dropped in '02.  

4.  You're probably screwed whether he wore them or not--PayPal gives no damns about sellers and only cares about buyer's satisfaction.

5.  I don't think this has anything to do with buyer's remorse.  Outside of balling in a shoe that old, he has a legitimate issue.  If a shoe fell apart the first time I wore them, I'd probably contact the

     seller too (assuming I didn't know anything about how frail older shoes are).   

6.  I think this comes down to whether or not PayPal understands the risks of wearing older shoes, because from a non-sneaker person POV, I could see how it looks suspect. 

7.  You're probably screwed whether he wore them or not--PayPal gives no damns about sellers and only cares about buyer's satisfaction.  
 
WhatisLove said:
The eBay time period is 45 days to file a dispute, as has been stated.

But, the Paypal time period (if he paid with Paypal) is 180 days, as has also been stated. This is a new policy that started in November 2014.

You are almost at the buyer's mercy... and then you are at Paypal's mercy if he files.

Assuming that he files a dispute via Paypal, it honestly could go either way. Usually, Paypal will not even look at what you have written up in your listing... most of the time, the only thing that matters to them is how the buyer words the dispute. However, in this case, since the buyer sent you a message that he wore them (hopefully he sent it through eBay), then you may be able to use that along with anything you may have had in your item description (such as something that said that you were not responsible for damage if the shoes were worn) to make your claim work.

Still always a possibility that Paypal will find for the buyer, and then make the buyer return the item to you. Theoretically, buyers are required to return the item to you in the same condition that they received it in... but Paypal isn't necessarily going to have your back if they don't.
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Will yaw quit spilling this nonsense!!!

PayPal is 45 days and this is directly from their website
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/buyer-complaint-outside
 
Superb said:
WhatisLove said:
The eBay time period is 45 days to file a dispute, as has been stated.

But, the Paypal time period (if he paid with Paypal) is 180 days, as has also been stated. This is a new policy that started in November 2014.

You are almost at the buyer's mercy... and then you are at Paypal's mercy if he files.

Assuming that he files a dispute via Paypal, it honestly could go either way. Usually, Paypal will not even look at what you have written up in your listing... most of the time, the only thing that matters to them is how the buyer words the dispute. However, in this case, since the buyer sent you a message that he wore them (hopefully he sent it through eBay), then you may be able to use that along with anything you may have had in your item description (such as something that said that you were not responsible for damage if the shoes were worn) to make your claim work.

Still always a possibility that Paypal will find for the buyer, and then make the buyer return the item to you. Theoretically, buyers are required to return the item to you in the same condition that they received it in... but Paypal isn't necessarily going to have your back if they don't.
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Will yaw quit spilling this nonsense!!!

PayPal is 45 days and this is directly from their website
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/buyer-complaint-outside
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That is the old policy. That is an outdated link. You should follow the link provided on that page that takes you to the "User Agreement."

This is what you will find under the "User Agreement for Paypal Service." This was updated in November 2014. The bolded part is what you need to read. No one is spewing nonsense.

7. PayPal Buyer Protection.

7.1 Types of Problems Covered. PayPal Buyer Protection helps you if you encounter either of these problems:

"Item Not Received" (INR): You did not receive the item you paid for with PayPal; or
"Significantly Not as Described" (SNAD) You received an item you paid for with PayPal but it is Significantly Not as Described (SNAD).

If your problem is a transaction that you did not authorize, please see section 8 below.

An item is "Significantly Not as Described" (SNAD) if it is materially different from what the Seller described on its website or in the item listing. Here are some examples:

You received a completely different item. For example, you purchased a book and received a DVD or an empty box.
The condition of the item was misrepresented. For example, the description when you bought the item said “new” and the item was used.
The item was advertised as authentic but is not authentic.
The item is missing major parts or features which were not disclosed in its description when you bought the item.
You purchased three items from a Seller but only received two.
The item was materially damaged during shipment.

An item is not Significantly Not as Described (SNAD) if it is materially similar to the Seller's item listing description. Here are some examples:

The defect in the item was correctly described by the Seller.
The item was properly described but you didn't want it after you received it.
The item was properly described but did not meet your expectations.
The item has minor scratches and was listed as used condition.

7.2 Eligibility Requirements.

To be eligible for PayPal Buyer Protection you must meet all of the following requirements:
Pay for the full amount of the item with one payment from your Account. Items purchased with multiple payments or installments are not eligible.
Send the payment to the Seller in the following manners:
For eBay items:
through the eBay “Pay Now” button or the eBay invoice; or
through the “Send Money” tab of your Account by selecting “eBay Item” or “Pay for eBay Items” and entering the required information.
For items bought on other websites:
through the Send Money tab on the PayPal website, by clicking the “Purchase” tab, or by selecting the “Checkout with PayPal” button or otherwise selecting PayPal as part of a Seller’s checkout flow.
Open a Dispute within 180 Days (with the exception of buyers in Latin America1 which must open a Dispute within 45 Days) of the date you sent the payment – then follow the online dispute resolution process described below under "Dispute Resolution"
Have an Account in good standing.
For items purchased on eBay look for either a PayPal or eBay buyer protection message in the eBay listing. If you see a message, and you meet the eligibility requirements, then your purchase is covered by PayPal Buyer Protection. The buyer protection message will vary based on the eBay website. The message must appear on the top part of the listing and not under the “Description” or “Shipping and Payments” tabs. If the listing does not include the buyer protection message, then it is not eligible for PayPal Buyer Protection.
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superblyTRIFE said:
1.  Your return policy stated in your auction doesn't matter.

2.  He does have 180 days to file with PayPal.  

3.  Nike/JB isn't going to give out a voucher for a shoe that old.  That window was closed a good 11 years ago, since they dropped in '02.  

4.  You're probably screwed whether he wore them or not--PayPal gives no damns about sellers and only cares about buyer's satisfaction.

5.  I don't think this has anything to do with buyer's remorse.  Outside of balling in a shoe that old, he has a legitimate issue.  If a shoe fell apart the first time I wore them, I'd probably contact the
     seller too (assuming I didn't know anything about how frail older shoes are).   

6.  I think this comes down to whether or not PayPal understands the risks of wearing older shoes, because from a non-sneaker person POV, I could see how it looks suspect. 

7.  You're probably screwed whether he wore them or not--PayPal gives no damns about sellers and only cares about buyer's satisfaction.  
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Every thing above you said is wrong. Seller is in the clear. Tell the buyer to screw off . It's 45 days

He does not have 180 days it 45 days !
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/buyer-complaint-outside
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Catch up, sir:

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/upcoming-policies-full
 
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That 180 day thing had me shook to sell my iPhone 6 on eBay, but luckily I ended up with a good buyer.  The first buyer had zero feedback and had just signed up that day--refunded him instantly and relisted in an auction style, since that usually keeps the scammers away.  

My advice is to check up with your buyer after you know the item has arrived.  And correspond only through eBay messaging so that all of the back and forth is there for them to see.  I confirmed with my buyer via eBay that the phone worked fine and that it was as described, so I wish a MFer would try to file a claim down the road.  
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Btw, if someone ever screws you and you don't feel like being out your money AND your item, just shut down all cards/accounts linked to your PayPal account.  I've done this twice when I got scammed and nothing has ever come of it.  No dings on credit, no collection calls, etc.  Just emails from eBay every few weeks about my old accounts.  I'll never pay them.  
 
PayPal can't go into your bank account to collect neg money

If your selling you can block 0 feedback buyers
 
if a buyer does not agree to your terms for a return, AND threatens negative feedback extortion....
CALL EBAY CUSTOM SUPPORT IMMEDIATELY..

Ive gotten 2 negatives overturned in 1 day, and the cases were closed in my favor.

BUT... WHEN SELLING VINTAGE SNEAKERS... YOU REALLY HAVE TO PUT A DISCLAIMER IN SIZE 72 BOLD RED LETTERS "WEAR AT YOUR OWN RISK" BECAUSE FOAM MIDSOLES FALL APART AND RUBBER soles become hard, WHICH WILL CAUSE YOU TO SLIP...

DS retro Griffey max 94's are NECKBREAKERS, BY THAT I MEAN THEYRE soles are CHEAPLY MADE, and could cause you to fall on wet surfaces EASILY. They look cool though.
 
I think you should do the right thing and reimburse him for selling a defective product. Just the occasional cost of doing business. 

not srs
 
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Superb said:
Zyzz said:
they actually changed it to 180 days now :lol:
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Absolutely not true at all


Go to your eBay account and try it on a item you bought over 45 days ago and see what happens
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Im not sure about ebay im referring paypal in general. check it out and call paypal.

and im 99.9% sure ebay changed it. You would just have to file the dispute through paypal and not ebay. still will be protected if you know how to do it. Trust me, ive done it in the past with issues instead of using ebays crew i go strictly with paypal
 
Shoes are like 14 years old lol.

Forget dude op.

Hes from canada aint nothin gonna happen.
 
i see nothing wrong with 0 feedback dudes :lol:

before you sell do a simple google search of their name and address. facebook etc. especially if its high priced.

i rarely sell but im selective. if i sense somehting through the messages i just say forget it.
 
Did you state no accountability of whether the shoe will hold up?

I've seen listing of old models where the seller states something like "These are XX years old, I can not guarantee that they will hold up when weeing."

If you stated anything like 'These are DS and in great wearable condition", you might be out of luck.
 
OP dont bother responding to him or message him. If he files a claim, call paypal asap and talk to them and explain everything to the fullest


emailing/website is garbage, Its better to talk to a real person over the phone.
 
THANKS GUYS!

It's Crazy, Cuz

What if some NOOB kid who just started Collecting Kicks and has money buys some DS jordan bred 1's from 1985 or whatever

and pays 2k for them, takes the to the Court and tries playing a game of 21 in them and they turn to Dust????

That's not the Sellers fault 

thats a DUMMY Buyer who should have known what they were buying and how to Care/Handle the item......Correct?
 
2 & 3.

Tell this dude to kick rocks. If he copped a pair of $200 17's to hoop in he can probably afford to cop another pair.

That or he's just stupid. Either way, not your fault at all
 
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