FOX *CBM thread - RIP STAN LEE - Dark PhoeniX 06/07/19

[CJMcfly26]

If Disney could get Doom, bruhhhhh

 

[sunshineblotters]

Yall trippin. I def want to see magic in the MCU as long as its not a convienent plot device. "Hey how can we get passed this impenetrable wall/dorr" type ****.

Yo honestly I think Dr Doom is the top 3 best villian in the Marvel Universe.

Everyone does

 

[KingParappa]

we not saying we don't want it, we just saying if they didn't do it but get his characterization right we'd be slightly ok. Magic is showing up in the MCU in a really big way.

 

[sunshineblotters]

we not saying we don't want it, we just saying if they didn't do it but get his characterization right we'd be slightly ok. Magic is showing up in the MCU in a really big way.

Ahh I see.

Which version of him do you want?

 

[tdogg2k]

Yo honestly I think Dr Doom is the top 3 best villian in the Marvel Universe. Shame he can't be utilized in Avengers

You know what i completely misread this comment. I thought it said he wasnt a top villian...
Thats what i get for driving and reading. My fault homie

 

[KingParappa]

we not saying we don't want it, we just saying if they didn't do it but get his characterization right we'd be slightly ok. Magic is showing up in the MCU in a really big way.

Ahh I see.

Which version of him do you want?

hmmm....

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Always like that issue of Loki Agent of Asgard

 

[IATT]

Watching the rogue edition of DOFP, since nothing is on.. And I just want to check it out again


So at the beginning, so the future sentinels come in contact with a mutant when they are fighting them and then all of the sentinels have that power at their avail?

Is that just the sentinels in the vicinity of the sentinel that is fighting that particular mutant or is it all sentinels in existence in the future?

Again, how did they get that power from mystique's DNA or whatever?

And I get you want to use certain characters.. But i don't remember certain mutants' powers working how they are depicted so far

 

[IATT]

Again, why?


Magneto: You'll need me as well.
Logan: What?
Magneto: After Mystique left Charles, she came with me, and I set her on a dangerous path, a darker path. It's going to take the two of us, side by side at a time when we couldn't be further apart.
[Logan looks at Professor X, who nods]




Also didn't realize they tried explaining how mystique's powers gave them that ability this early.. Guessing singer forgot how this played out for her claws:

 

[IATT]

Why does beast have to point out mystique is unique? Aren't all mutants unique?

And ummm how does the formula that allows beast to go in and out of his powers fix professor x's back?



Sure, limit the professor's powers.. But help him recover from being shot in the back and handicapped from the waist down?

 

[Master Zik]

Don't try to make sense of the future sentinels in DoFP. Singer did not do a good job. He just wanted overpowered threats to drive home the idea that this was a really bad dystopian future. It's not based on any X-Men comic I've read.

This is basically giving the sentinels the power of the dude from Heroes. Makes no sense.

The drug Xavier took to make him walk but limited his telepathy never made sense either. I don't know in what world that trade off makes sense when it comes to any sort of fictional science. Just think of Beast as a blue wizard in Singer's continuity. Like repairing a spinal injury has nothing to do with a x-gene and mutant powers.

You're suppose to just accept that this drug allows him to walk and stops his mutant ability cuz Xavier will need to walk and not be crippled the entire movie.

Beast transforming makes more sense though. Singer wanted him to be like the Hulk/a blue werewolf.

 

[IATT]

Don't try to make sense of the future sentinels in DoFP. Singer did not do a good job. He just wanted overpowered threats to drive home the idea that this was a really bad dystopian future. It's not based on any X-Men comic I've read.

This is basically giving the sentinels the power of the dude from Heroes. Makes no sense.

But dude directed that scene I posted above.. So he is aware she doesn't actually gain the powers of the mutant she turns into.. She just looks and sounds like them








Also is wolverine still going have bone claws in the 80s

 

[robinvandamn]

I forgot how advanced that Mystique kick where she turns from Wolverine back into herself lol

**** was mind blowing back then

 

[airthompson]

Don't try to make sense of the future sentinels in DoFP. Singer did not do a good job. He just wanted overpowered threats to drive home the idea that this was a really bad dystopian future. It's not based on any X-Men comic I've read.

This is basically giving the sentinels the power of the dude from Heroes. Makes no sense.

But dude directed that scene I posted above.. So he is aware she doesn't actually gain the powers of the mutant she turns into.. She just looks and sounds like them








Also is wolverine still going have bone claws in the 80s

Didn't someone mention the sentinels not only had Mystics powers, but also Rouges ability to steal powers on the extended movie?

 

[Master Zik]

Don't try to make sense of the future sentinels in DoFP. Singer did not do a good job. He just wanted overpowered threats to drive home the idea that this was a really bad dystopian future. It's not based on any X-Men comic I've read.

This is basically giving the sentinels the power of the dude from Heroes. Makes no sense.

But dude directed that scene I posted above.. So he is aware she doesn't actually gain the powers of the mutant she turns into.. She just looks and sounds like them








Also is wolverine still going have bone claws in the 80s

I said it earlier but I heard rumor way back that the sentinels were suppose to be able to have all those powers from Rogue not Mystique but in the movie that's not the case.

As it stands, it makes no sense to say Mystique's mutant powers gave the sentinels those powers unless you're saying her mutant abilities can evolve so that she can copy mutant abilities as well. It was never explained cuz Singer didn't have anything convincing to explain it with. You're just suppose to accept it.

Also I doubt Singer cares much about what he originally did given what he's mostly doing now is working with what Vaughn started and abandoned.

 

[IATT]

Charles Xavier: The treatment for my spine affects my DNA.




Shot in the spin.. DNA.. I'm no doctor, but I'm not sure how that adds up

 

[sea manup]

mystique is able to change her skin to look like anyone but its still skin

but if the sentinel can change its metal skin then it can give itself different properties 

possible explanation? movie was lacking in execution 

 

[IATT]

I'm going stop.. I think it was stuff like this that got NT in trouble with fox before

 

[IATT]

Last one, so magneto determines the best course of action to try to secure the future of mutants was to try and kill mystique

Not to shoot trask who is literally standing a couple feet from him.. Who he lets walk right past him and out the door.. Then gets a gun to go after mystique

 

[IATT]

Mystique: "trask is the enemy"
Magneto: "killing one man isn't enough"


But dude literally just a couple mins ago thought killing 1 mutant was enough

 

[IATT]

And after he says "killing one man isn't enough"

THEN there is a scene where trask says: "imagine sentinels that could transform adapt to any target" (so trask's idea)

And on top of that he says he basically needs all of her to be able to do it.. So them having her blood from that incident means squat

 

[rfx45]

You do know that you can edit your post and add additional things, right?


And you really are reaching and just trying hard not to understand anything in the film at all. Having her blood in that incident for example exposed Trask to her abilities for the first time and he discovers he wants all of her to experiment on and she became their target. I mean come on now, this isn't difficult to understand.

 

[IATT]

I'm reaching?

I'm just trying understand..




Like why the need for a scene from x3


EDIT:
In the rogue editition bobby talks about them needing rogue to take their powers

 

[rfx45]

I am not going to get dragged into it but most of these are easy to understand. And yes, it seems like you are reaching to try and understand the film.

Like this for example.

Mystique: "trask is the enemy"
Magneto: "killing one man isn't enough"


But dude literally just a couple mins ago thought killing 1 mutant was enough

Magneto was fine with killing more humans because the hatred extends more than Trask, there are plenty more humans that hated mutants and it doesn't end with Trask. Also in the original timeline, Mystique kills him and captured her and then Trasks' company creates the Sentinel from her DNA. Another example is that Stryker also continues Trasks' work of being against mutants. So yes, he wants more humans dead and believes one is not enough just by the simple example of Trask dying and the Sentinel program still going through.

Magneto was also fine with killing one mutant, Mystique, because she was the catalyst for the Super Sentinel Program. From his knowledge, no Mystique means no unstoppable Super Sentinel in the future and that is one gigantic threat to the mutants prevented. Pretty much kill one for the save the mutant race.

Plus Magneto never really said he would only kill Mystique, he tries to prevent to kill his own kind but if there are more mutants that becomes a threat to the rest of the mutants, I am sure dude would kill that mutant too without hesitation.

I mean the movie doesn't need to spell all of these out, you got to be able to connect some of the dots together.

 

[IATT]

He walks into the room where both mystique and trask are.. Hell Stryker is there too

Magneto, in this movie, determines the best course of action is to kill mystique.. Imagine what he would have done for mutants had he killed those two at that time





My reaching comment for this movie would be: as paranoid as Nixon was, I can't see him calling everything off after magneto just dropped a stadium

 

[rfx45]

You are trying your best not to comprehend it like you didn't see the movie or read any comics or watched the animated show. Magneto isn't just killing innocent humans left and right and you act like he would if he is willing to kill more than Trask or one mutant in Mystique. Again, reaching way too far out there to discredit the film or the actions of the characters. Maybe reaching isn't the word I am looking for? But you definitely sound like you just do not want to extend your thinking further to try and make sense of things.

You say what he would have done had he killed those two? Just read any comics where he tries to save te mutant race or youtube the animated series involving him and you'll see what he is willing and not willing to do.


Again him choosing to kill Mystique knowing she is the source of the Super Sentinel that eliminates countless mutants int he future makes sense. I am not sure why you aren't getting it? Killing Stryker or Trask will not end the Sentinelt program, evident by Mystique killing Trask in the og timeline and still the Super Sentinel program survives. Mystique was the key.


They also showed that one mutant may want to kill humans but there are also good mutants based on Mystique saving them from another mutant. It shows not all mutants are bad and some could be helpful.

And yes Nixon may not stop from killing mutants but we don't know what happens next. So why is this a criticism to the film? Because they didn't show him executing and capturing mutants in the end credit scene? And just because you can't see Nixon doing it doesn't mean it is a flaw in the film. As you said that is a reach.