FOX *CBM thread - RIP STAN LEE - Dark PhoeniX 06/07/19

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[rfx45]

Max Landis on Trank...

"HEY, it’s 1 AM. You know what, [frick] it. Let’s be real here. Chronicle was an incredibly rare and easy ride. I loved writing the script. I enjoyed our producer, John Davis, and our exec, Steve. I also loved collaborating with Josh, who I think is brilliant, and whose ideas inspired my script. I fought hard for him to direct. But Chronicle was a complete fluke. We had so much control because the movie was, in relation to other movies that year, TINY. Some holes opened up in Fox’s slate and Chronicle was cheap and unique, so they were kind enough to make it. Only took six months. At the time, I was like ‘THIS IS F**KING INCREDIBLE I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING.’ I’d sold scripts, but it was my first greenlight. Josh, who’d been for-hire editor and whose only experience behind the camera had been a web series, was a smart, fun collaborator. During the shooting of the film, I had almost no input, but I was lucky in that the studio and Josh stuck astonishingly tight to my script. But again, even this is a fluke. It was an original idea, a dark character movie with a first time director. Fluke. Freak of nature. But I didn’t know that and I’m sure Josh didn’t know that either. In the five years since I sold Chronicle, I’ve learned the hard way. You take huge hits in this industry, creatively, but that’s only after you’ve been given the opportunity to take huge swings, which is rare. A movie like Fantastic Four, an assignment with a lot riding on it, was always going to have a tremendous amount of cooks in the kitchen. People always ask me when I’m gonna write a superhero movie. I have. I’ve gotten those jobs. They’re very intense and stressful. As a writer, I’ve been lucky to work on many, many projects – and seen how different and how hard each road can be – for five and a half years. Josh didn’t get that chance, and his second major project, after one with total freedom, was one with intense oversight. So I don’t think anyone’s wrong or right, necessarily, and I don’t imagine anyone cares about my opinion. But I do think it’s important to say that if you’re not prepared going in to not FIGHT like hell, but WORK like hell, it’s gonna get ugly. No one is trying to make a bad movie. This job is only very occasionally romantic. Don’t let it own you, try not to let it hurt you. Because sometimes it’s so much f**king fun. But it’s still a job."

 

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[robinvandamn]

^^ Checking out the podcast now at work

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

Max kinda seems like he's sticking up for his friend, but he is right.

This **** isn't as ABC simple as NTers make it out to be. Making a movie is an incredibly stressful and involved process and there are thousands of factors at play.

Maybe F4 being a trash movie was just everybody's fault (besides the actors lol)

Second thing: yall dudes need to seriously STHU about box office. Like who cares? What does box office have to do with a viewer enjoying the damn movie itself? Like dudes were legit catching feelings when AoU didn't perform as expected bruh none of us are on the payroll for these films.

 

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[Master Zik]

That's the thing, I don't really care about box office at all. I check out when dudes spend pages talking about it like it means much to us. All I care about is if it mad enough money to get a sequel (if it's good enough to warrant one).

In this unique situation though, I want FOX to make a deal to give up those rights. So I'll hope for their failure every time they play keep away with Marvel. I hope F4 doesn't even break even.

From the surf I'm hearing now they don't have any faith in the franchise as a movie, they don't want to properly establish a shared universe with the F4 and X-Men, they can't get Doom right or Galactus and probably would fail trying to get the other villains correct so unless they're thinking of having the X-Men fight Doom and Galactus and Annihilus it's time to cough up those rights b and yeah it's more complicated than that money wise and due to their relationship with Marvel but it's time to smarten up. Do they really want to do this again in 2022?

So unless they want to play nice like SONY did after they got exposed might as well try to make some money off this deal and at least try to benefit the remaining franchise you refuse to let go.

 

[tdogg2k]

Max kinda seems like he's sticking up for his friend, but he is right.

This **** isn't as ABC simple as NTers make it out to be. Making a movie is an incredibly stressful and involved process and there are thousands of factors at play.

Maybe F4 being a trash movie was just everybody's fault (besides the actors lol)

Second thing: yall dudes need to seriously STHU about box office. Like who cares? What does box office have to do with a viewer enjoying the damn movie itself? Like dudes were legit catching feelings when AoU didn't perform as expected bruh none of us are on the payroll for these films.

Im glad someone finally said it. We giving money not making a dime off the movies.
Never understood why dudes stressed about money made for a film. Especially in this situation seeing as they can make another if they want.

 

[robinvandamn]

"I'm going to tell you how to make a good Fantasic Four film, Fox

Step 1: Stop making them"

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

I really have no interest in the F4 franchise but if Marvel could make Ant Man and Guardians of the Galaxy enjoyable movies then they can do the same with Fantastic 4. Not that I care if another F4 is ever made

 

[sunshineblotters]

How the hell are you going to know dude was going to have a meltdown mid-way through production? Come one now, just giving Marvel credit just to give them credit.

If the economy fixes itself while you are president then you get credit. How it works

 

[illmaticsoulchild]

So conflicted.. don't want to support the film, but much like an accident on the side of the road, can't help but look. :\

 

[robinvandamn]

It just seems like internally the red flags for Trank were there from really early on.

So with Fox you have Singer allegedly having casting couch sessions with teenage boys, Vaughn/January Jones drama, Ratner and his general doucheyness and this Trank fiasco.

You have to commend Marvel & WB for having years and years of Superhero films without ANY drama of those levels. Worst thing with an actor is probably what went on with Norton and we all know about the Bale Terminator tirade but he seemed to be a saint on the set of Nolan's films.

It's impressive to be able to create this films and either pick the right people or be able to keep all the grievances in house.

Contrast this situation with Trank to the Edgar Wright thing. I think with a dumber studio or a less mature director we could of gotten a finished product closer to F4 with Ant-Man

Wright knew his "vision" wasn't going to be executed and bounced

 

[nomnom]

Took a shot and watched it to see how bad it was

Loved the Reed/Ben friendship

BUT

it was so heartless, too much exposition and no buildup. Not enough humor, took itself too seriously. Dialogue was cringeworthy, CGI was rushed. It's a damn shame because I loved this cast so much. The first half was good but as everyone said , the 3rd act was shameful. There was no payoff and it is probably one of the worst superhero "fights" ever assembled on screen. At no point in the movie do I take the Doom villain seriously nor do I see the stakes that are put up in the final fight. It would've been nice to see Human Torch light up NYC and just see the worlds reaction to this new team. Unfortunately, they saved everything for a sequel that may not even happen anymore at the expense of this movie. Despicable. WHERE WAS THE ACTION BTW?!

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

I gotta see this ****

 

[36Hypno]

Starts in 10. Expectations are extremely low at this point

 

[aepps20]

I am hoping to have tons of [emoji]128514[/emoji] over how bad people say this movie is when I watch it tomorrow.

 

[everysingletime]

People watching just to see how bad it really is. Lol wow.

The car wreck fascination principle.

 

[Master Zik]

Vaughn/January Jones drama

What was this drama?

And before I'm even informed, I can say Jones is notoriously known for being an actual ***** and at best is a slightly above average actress that is good at playing one type of character

So yeah what now?

 

[robinvandamn]

It was alleged that he was her baby daddy. She was rumored to be doing a lot of ******* while on set

I don't think it's public knowledge who the baby's father is yet either but idk

 

[debso]

Wasn't that bad. Nowhere near as bad as some ppl are making it out to be IMO. Interesting how everyone loved antman but hates this...

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

Wasn't that bad. Nowhere near as bad as some ppl are making it out to be IMO. Interesting how everyone loved antman but hates this...

Now I have to see it

 

[jetpacunlimited]

Wasn't that bad. Nowhere near as bad as some ppl are making it out to be IMO. Interesting how everyone loved antman but hates this...

Yes it was. This is the worst movie Ive ever seen in a theatre.

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

It's better than the old FFs though, right?

Right?

 

[debso]

My honest opinion was that it was either too short or they need to figure out how to tell and show more in the alotted time. The action wasn't really there...dooms motivation isn't explained well, what he actually did at the end comes out of nowhere really... They didn't show off enough of the invisible woman's power IMO although she did get a lot of screen time, not enough thing fighting... I agree, having them fight in NY woulda been better...

The last half is clearly rushed.

With that said its still not a bad movie and j would watch a sequel. It's better than IM3, antman...IMO.

I could not get into antman at all. The character is not interesting enough. His powers are trash the villain was trash...it was all filler to get to the next film for me. If was a funny movie but I could have watched a comedy on blue ray.

I really don't see what half the fascination is with that movie I'm sorry.