FOX *CBM thread - RIP STAN LEE - Dark PhoeniX 06/07/19

[sea manup]

prof x has always been the wise, level headed character

but half of his story arc this movie was just him trying to smash

this story takes place 20 years from FC and dude was like "wow you have not aged a day"

 

 

[Master Zik]

 

 

 

Thanos is not all powerful you're right but him + the infinity gauntlet is the literal definition of all powerful 

Yeah but Rocket Raccoon + the infinity gauntlet is literally all powerful too.



Its the gauntlet that makes you all powerful. You can be a bum on the street and once you get it your near unstoppable.

well yeah, but in the comics (and probably movies) it's thanos who has it


that whole series was pretty meh to me, it was purely based on epicness rather than actual interesting narrative.



the only good use of the infinity gauntlet was when kobe had it 

The entire trilogy of Starlin's run had nothing but an interesting narrative and a thororough character development for Thano s and Adam Warlock imo.


Some of the more interesting marvel cosmic tales since Stan Lee's run on the Silver Surfer until much later like with work by DNA.

I'll take your word for it since I have not read those story lines and I was thinking of the IG event as well as what we have currently seen in the MCU which is a Thanos who is nothing more than a powerful being who seems to just want power and control.

But there is a lot of story to be written and I trust the MCU storytellers 

Well yeah, to get a Thanos close to the comics they would've needed at least 3 movies of him sharing just as much time exploring his past and motives with the protagonist before he made his move in IW.

And really there isn't a superhero movie that has ever have that kind of focus on the villain as if he needed a satisfying character arc as the protagonist. Quite frankly, movies in general rarely do that. A great villain in film is usually defined by how well executed his motives are established in the short amount of time given, how good his plan is (of that's necessary), and how much of a threat he makes the viewer thinks he is. Villains don't get main character attention cuz the unwritten usually unsaid belief is that you're not suppose to make the audience identify with the villain more than the hero, some going further feeling they shouldn't even sympathize with the bad guy.

So with 2 movies [emoji]127909[/emoji] and probably 4 to 5 hrs I'm hoping they get across his motives and beliefs. Doubt they'll get in to his past, background, and origin cuz that'd require introducing the Eternals and some other stuff.

 

[SadBoi]

I hear JLaw didn't want to put on hours and hours of makeup so that's why Mystique wasn't blue often. Any truth to this?

 

[sea manup]

I hear JLaw didn't want to put on hours and hours of makeup so that's why Mystique wasn't blue often. Any truth to this?

yeah that's probably true

not really a big deal though, it's not like it effected the plot at all

must be nice to never need to buy clothes, she can just instantly wear any outfit she wants 

 

[6 Rings G.O.A.T.]

I hear JLaw didn't want to put on hours and hours of makeup so that's why Mystique wasn't blue often. Any truth to this?

I would definitely believe that..

 

[Master Zik]

She whined and got her way.

Her mutant ability was useless throughout the movie mostly anyway.

 

[spiderjericho]

Just another reason why the movie was lackluster. It had all of these "great" actors and didn't use them in any way.

And Apocalypse was poorly developed. We never got enough of his survival of the fit mantra. What was his true end game was by creating the calamity or the fact if he had ever done it in the past before? Wouldn't horsemen equal usher in or signal the coming of this villain? Instead they were jobbers. There was no rhyme or reason to why he picked them besides Magneto.

But honestly besides Deadpool, Superhero movies have been a bit mediocre as of late.

 

[tdogg2k]

But honestly besides Deadpool, Superhero movies have been a bit mediocre as of late.

same for me, i wouldn't exactly say mediocre, but movies are just so long these days. it's taking away from some of the wow.

TWS and Avengers 1 is the only CBM movie i walked out of and was like was WOW that's how you make a movie.
(also first avenger)

but that's not saying the rest i wasn't entertained.
I was very entertained by the rest.

but i also don't go in to movies ready to critique it, or already hating it or having a negative mindset about it. so that helps me relax and enjoy the experience.

 

[law3001]

if this movie came out ten years ago it would have smashed box office. Look how many CBM have come out that were major deals this year. BvS, Deadpool, Civil War, now this then Sucide Squad and finally Dr. strange.

Some movies just gonna get lost in the shuffle. Hell Thor movies seem to be that for MCU, just not really setting the world on fire.

Look 15 years of x men movies, people just feel like it's been there done that when it comes to their movies. I truly feel that even IF the movie was better and reviews stronger , yeah it would have gotten a few more millions opening weekend, but this movie just didn't have that hype DOFP had I feel. It was overshadowed by all the others.

A reboot ain't even what this franchise needs, we need just a break from X men.

 

[tdogg2k]

Agreed

 

[IATT]

or the bar has been raised and people are less inclined to accept mediocrity..

SOME of the movies named had no problem carrying past the opening weekend, when word of mouth sets in

 

[everysingletime]

or the bar has been raised and people are less inclined to accept mediocrity..

SOME of the movies named had no problem carrying past the opening weekend, when word of mouth sets in

Yup, this. Movies like Dofp would've probably given me an orgasm in the early 2000s.

 

[mr z]

Movie sucked...

I don't know how to do spoilers but if you haven't seen it yet, don't bother.


Nightcrawler - why was he in the movie? Lol... they could have cut him out if the story and add more depth to Jean Grey's character.

Angel - is son really a horseman? He gets washed Everytime he's on screen. Not buying it.

Storm - all these xmen characters to choose and they keep bringing back storm. Her powers don't translate well to movies in my opinion.

Apocalypse - WACK. They hyped son up to be the all powerful mutant and he gets washed by a teenage girl? Son kept using the same powers. Didn't come off as a boss. His dialogue was lame. You expect a character like that to be scary and menacing. He just came off as mad goofy to me.

Beast - they need to put some RESPECK on beast name yo. Didn't like how they powered him down.

Mystique - Son

Mora - Son

Professor X - his dialogue was mad weak this time. Didn't come off as a mastermind. The should have portrayed him using his intelligence to lead the team. Would have liked to see him sort of be a thorn in apacolypse side. Trying to outsmart him.

Jean Grey - I actually like the character and actor but the writing of the movie ruined it. This is the chick that's supposed to wash the bad guy but they didn't hype her up enough. She just out of the blue goes Phoenix and washes the first mutant. Son. They threw a couple of scenes in there of her using powers and the students calling her weird. Should have went more in depth. Not buying it yo.

Should have deleted nightcrawler and used screen time for more dialogue between her and X. X trying to get her to tap into Phoenix. Could have put in some sick scenes of her doing things with her powers. Really hyping her up as a top level mutant. Like what they did with magneto in first class.

Wolverine scene - Please get son some p90x. Didn't come off as a caged animal to me. I know it's pg13 but action was lightweight.

Cyclops (beggining) - mad weak. Isn't this dude supposed to be the leader of the xmen? He should have got some gear for the final fight.

Cyclops (ending) - when they showed son with the visor on I literally screamed "LIT" in the movie theatre.

QuickSilver - Dope

Magneto - Dope. The hype tapered off at the end when son tried to kill Apocalypse with a rain of metal. Smh. Should have had son drop buildings on him. The sequence where he killed those dudes with the necklace and him dropping that building was amazing though. Really like fassbender as magneto. Best character this series IMO.

Psylocke - can't hate on her...she is bad

Beginning sequence - Dope. They did a good job setting him up but didn't follow through the whole movie.

There were some good parts but I won't be watching it again yo.

 

[rfx45]

SINGER PLANS TO STEP AWAY FROM "X-MEN" AFTER "APOCALYPSE," BUT NOT 'FOREVER'

The "Usual Suspects" director told the LA Times, "I recently met [Oscar-winning director] Danny Boyle -- he and I have known of each other for many years but never met. He was prepping 'Steve Jobs' at the time and I was doing this and he said, 'Are you going to be doing 'X-Men' movies forever?' And I didn’t actually say no."

But Singer continued, "The reality is, even though I’m very desperate to jump to something completely different, I’ve spent so many years in this universe and I love this cast and the characters so much, I just don't see myself abandoning them forever. Perhaps as a consultant, as a producer, even as a director, I could see myself returning in the future. Just right now, once this one is done, I’d like to do something really different."

 

[slighted]

^ Translation: I'll keep directing these X-men films as long as they keep cutting me massive checks.

 

[everysingletime]

No, it better be forever.

 

[sharpshooter718]

movie was ok.. BVS was so bad that all comic movies after it will be good enough.. 

 

[KingParappa]

They mentioned something about he can only teleport to places he's seen or been before. I think that's what it was.

He could have teleported out side of the cage. Why was the electricity effecting his powers? Its like they don't understand the mechanics of how Nightcrawler actually teleports.

 

[tdogg2k]

Iirc thats been shown to affect his powers before to tho hasn't it. Before it was discovered he was moving through actual dimensions (like the current dead but back alibe crawler in the comics)

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

Could have been using the same weird field Stryker was using to **** with their powers

 

[rfx45]

I don't think that's it because Jean managed to keep them invisible in the helicopter even with the cage activated.

It's just one of those things where they take their own liberty with the powers.

 

[law3001]

Yup, this. Movies like Dofp would've probably given me an orgasm in the early 2000s.

I feel like we saying the same thing. Lets be real even if this was CW level of quality people still just still wouldn't have seen it. 15*years of xmen folks got fatigue

 

[everysingletime]

Yup, this. Movies like Dofp would've probably given me an orgasm in the early 2000s.

I feel like we saying the same thing. Lets be real even if this was CW level of quality people still just still wouldn't have seen it. 15*years of xmen folks got fatigue

Nah if they rebooted and just started making CW level quality movies I'd be on their nuts just the same.

That is me though.

But perhaps you make a good point for other ppl...

 

[IATT]

MCU just finished their 13th film and I don't think people feel any sort of fatigue for those (over 8 years)

xmen has 6 films.. 2 wolverine movies.. deadpool.. then there is the 3 F4 films, Daredevil and Elektra (over the course of 16 years)

I think it's a quality issue

I made the point before somewhere in one of these CB movie threads, news places/talking heads always talk about the super hero bubble bursting when a film performs poorly.. maybe they should be looking at the films that are underperforming

 

[sea manup]

It's also that this is the third major event super hero movie in the past three months