FOX *CBM thread - RIP STAN LEE - Dark PhoeniX 06/07/19

[sunshineblotters]

That's what Joss wanted. Dat lack of creative control these directors get right?

Lol. All these directors complaining about creative control but you still caping for marvel on this subject.

Idk if the thor trailer was what he wanted. I'm pretty sure it is the scene he didn't want to add. I do know to get a scene he wanted he needed put in a scene marvel wanted.

Even Gunn said he had to throw in Thanos in his movie and he has the most creative control since his **** is far off in space.

 

[tay1]

Lol. All these directors complaining about creative control but you still caping for marvel on this subject.

Idk if the thor trailer was what he wanted. I'm pretty sure it is the scene he didn't want to add. I do know to get a scene he wanted he needed put in a scene marvel wanted.

Even Gunn said he had to throw in Thanos in his movie and he has the most creative control since his **** is far off in space.

I'm not caping at all. It's a two way street. People like to mention how these directiors have no control, yet most of the crap in that film is from what Joss wanted. Marvel wanted to cut that scene, and Joss wanted to keep the entire sequence I believe. They settled by splicing it into what it was.

Of course he's going to have to throw some things in there that they want. It's a given.

 

[sunshineblotters]

^Like I said before idc how marvel handles it but don't say your directors have cart blanche when they actually dont.

 

[tay1]

All this **** is connected. None of these directors are going to have COMPLETE control. People love to make it seem as if they have no control though tho.

 

[everysingletime]

These Marvel execs give their directors control.

That Black Widow/Hulk arc, the Thor dipping in the pool thing and the Hawkeye family in Hicksville is all Joss. All those quippy lines in the movie is all Joss. His fingerprints are all over the movie.

GotG wouldn't be what it is if Gunn didn't have the control he wanted.

Cap 2 in tone is different than all the other Marvel movies. That's all the Russos.

At the same time, when everyone's sharing a universe the execs will step in when necessary. It's a balance thing.

 

[KingParappa]

Thought Joss wanted the Farm scene and Marvel said he'd have to include the Thor scene or he can't have the farm scene?

 

[sunshineblotters]

Thought Joss wanted the Farm scene and Marvel said he'd have to include the Thor scene or he can't have the farm scene?

Yes! this is what happened.

Marvel wanted that silly thor trailer not Joss. Joss has spoken out against forcing everything to together. Especially with how he said the OG Ant-Man script was the best Marvel had.

 

[Master Zik]

Again, Apocalypse finna murk AoU

The doubt is real on NT tho

Seems to me you're just happy that costumes will finally be more like the comics and that's all it'll take for FOX to make a better comic movie than Marvel

And yeah Singer is on that complete bull **** talking about the costumes is something he was meaning to get to. More like Fox ditched him after X2 when he went to go direct some other trash movie but when Vaughn didn't commit to the X-Men after First Class and he got another chance he started giving in to fans a bit more. Notice how all his X movies now are tapping in to the classic most successful X-Men comic events as far as titles go to get more fan reaction compared to what he started with that only loosely adapted some X comics but were mostly story lines he created along with whoever wrote those scripts.

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Who is the guy with the gun and long coat in that group pic?

singer is a dummy. I don't care what that fool says. Like you said, he's had over a decade and a number of movies to put out the individual costumes.

Fantomex. He's a master thief.

His powers are misdirection but I dont know exactly how they work. Basically he makes you think one thing when in reality something completely different is going on. Like an illusion. He is also inexplicably immune to telepathy, even from omega level telepaths like Psylocke.

He's an advanced mutant hunting sentinel with 3 brains one of them female that's gone against his programming. The rest stated above is all an act. Son aint even French but British.

I think Morrison was basically mocking Gambit with this creation.

To be fair he didn't have 15 years. He started with X1 in 2000, which was the first of it's kind where it's a big production full blown comic book film. It was risky to go full blown colorful spandex back then, it wouldn't have worked well. He probably saw sample and concept that looked too gofy to be taken seriously.

Colored costumes didn't come to fruition til two years later with Spiderman in 2002 (agreed, that was a big leap) and when X2 came out in 2003, they had probably wrapped production by the time Spiderman came out so no time to change there.

Singer produced other X-Films but he wasn't the director for it. Vaughn started transitioning to color in First Class and Singers return in DoFP had adapted it as well, to a lesser extent but Magneto wasn't just in black leather gear and the past XMens didn't need a reason to wear matching uniforms. I do think he could have used more color int he Future XMens but I also understand the grim world it was set in.

Seems more like the idea was to just copy the look of the Blade movies imo.

I'm sure colorful costumes were a risk but not the biggest risk where the movie just tanks. He played it safe.

 

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[tay1]

So after Apocalypse, what do ya'll think goes on? Do we get New Mutants franchise or do they continue this series?

 

[robinvandamn]

It's been said before that Marvel basically lets you shoot whatever the hell you want but they control the edit of the film. It's not surprising, that's pretty much how blockbuster filmmaking has been done

 

[sunshineblotters]

Forgot to mention the three brains.

Yeah I vaguely remember the rest of those things. Is that why french people in the Marvel universe mock his accent?

Also has an external nervous system that can turn into a spaceship for some reason. IDK dude is straight weird but I like him. Forgot about him since the current x-force is trash and I havent liked the comics he's been in for a while.

 

[robinvandamn]

Again, Apocalypse finna murk AoU

The doubt is real on NT tho

Why even bring up AoU? It's going to be in competition with BvS & Civil War and i hope no one in here is dumb enough to say it's going to do or be better than those films.

 

[jaypesoz]

^ I agree. I became a fan of Deadpool during this title.

This scene needs to be in the movie

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[blastercombo]

Why even bring up AoU? It's going to be in competition with BvS & Civil War and i hope no one in here is dumb enough to say it's going to do or be better than those films.

AoU wasn't good though. Paper thin plot mixed in with cool fights and random nods to future movies finished off with a horribly ridiculous final battle in which they move every last person out of a city . Nobody is talking about sales figures

 

[shogun]

If safe to say that most of you guys (and maybe gals) in here will never be satisfied with anything involving these characters or any characters in general.   

I dunno how faithful the fox cartoon was to the source material but the storytelling was good and better than the xmen movies. Whoever wrote the scripts to the cartoon should help with the movies.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Opena and Dean White were on one with the art on Uncanny X-Force.

 

[blakep267]

If safe to say that most of you guys (and maybe gals) in here will never be satisfied with anything involving these characters or any characters in general.   

I don't really mind them. All I want is for Cyclops to be done right, just once. Oh and for rogue to be able to fly and have super strength

 

[IATT]

again.. not sure I said this in here or some place else..

don't get your expectations overly high as long as singer is involved..

I look at his involvement with the x-men franchise the same way I do Michael bay being involved with the transformers franchise.. it is what it is at this point.. I wait a couple weeks to see what people are saying, hoping I wont be overly frustrated IF I do end up watching the movies

I've given up on anything Michael bay is involved in.. I'm getting close to that point with singer.. still cant believe fox brought dude back to be in charge after watching superman returns and jack the giant slayer

 

[blakep267]

again.. not sure I said this in here or some place else..

don't get your expectations overly high as long as singer is involved..




I look at his involvement with the x-men franchise the same way I do Michael bay being involved with the transformers franchise.. it is what it is at this point.. I wait a couple weeks to see what people are saying, hoping I wont be overly frustrated IF I do end up watching the movies

I've given up on anything Michael bay is involved in.. I'm getting close to that point with singer.. still cant believe fox brought dude back to be in charge after watching superman returns and jack the giant slayer

He's a known quantity with Xmen. Fix knows what they will get with him. And what he gives you with Xmen is a pretty good box office. You can take a risk with another director and you may get a flop

 

[rfx45]

I think Singer gets too much flack, X1-X2 is still pretty good to me, not great and not exactly the worst either. Many just hates it now because it is 15 years old and I could see how it won't hold up today because it does seem like an earlier generation in comparison but I still see if a good 2-film combo. I mean did people really hate X1 and X2 when it first came out? I wish there was a thread on it here when it came out 15 years ago to see if opinions have truly changed.

DoFP is pretty damn good too, almost great actually, a complete surprise that it stand toe to toe with Cap2 on my CBM list. (I still prefer Cap2 so there is no bias here)



I know you guys hate to use RT or Metacritic to gauge how well liked the film is (I disagree with them too but I can accept the ratings they give MoS for example, I love the film but it's rotten, that's fine but I see why others hate it) but it's still a good source to see how well liked the film is the DoFP stands at 91%. Overall, that is very good. In comparison, the first Avengers is at 92% (I do like this much more than DoFP in comparison) and AoU is at 74%.


Just to put it out there for comparisons sake, X1 and X2 are at 81% and 86% respectively.

 

[big j 33]

You're not wrong, X1 and X2 were very good movies. Whether or not they hold up isn't as relevant to me.. they were good when they came out, and just because they didn't age as well due to a changing superhero movie landscape, doesn't mean they are suddenly more poorly written or acted or were less enjoyed when they came out.

And DoFP was awesome. I wish the X-Men franchise wasn't as messy, but it did a good job of working with all of it and trying to reset the universe. Wasn't perfect by any means.. I"ll be honest, I've been waiting to see live action Sentinels for awhile so I was kind of hoping for them to be bigger and badder.. but I am looking forward to watching the Rogue Cut and seeing how that looks.

Singer isn't perfect, and while I wouldn't have minded Vaughn continuing on after First Class, I was happy to hear they were bringing back Singer instead.

 

[Fozz]

I think my expectations for comic books or X-Men movies in particular, is that they are entertaining and have a decent storyline. For me, X1, X2, First Class, DOFP and The Wolverine were the films I enjoyed. Simply because I was entertainined. Yeah, it isn't a oscar worthy film...Although I doubt any comic book movie would be considered Oscar worthy. I just expect that the film has relevance to the comic books and that it isn't crazy (IE Amazing Spider-Man 3 was rumored to be about Peter reviving the dead back to life)

I know people are highly critical with comic book movies and how they reflect the comic storyline...But for me, I won't complain too much lol.

 

[mexicansole]

That should be the objective of all movies. The problem had been too much stuffed crammed inside too little time.

 

[robinvandamn]

Why even bring up AoU? It's going to be in competition with BvS & Civil War and i hope no one in here is dumb enough to say it's going to do or be better than those films.

AoU wasn't good though. Paper thin plot mixed in with cool fights and random nods to future movies finished off with a horribly ridiculous final battle in which they move every last person out of a city . Nobody is talking about sales figures

and it would have come out a full year prior to this film

still no reason to compare the two when basically the sequel to AoU will be out

this is an example of "moving goal post"

dude literally saw about 50 seconds worth of material of this project that's like 6 weeks into production and is already calling Marvel's demise

his basis is real (not you the dude i quoted originally)