FOX *CBM thread - RIP STAN LEE - Dark PhoeniX 06/07/19

[blastercombo]

and it would have come out a full year prior to this film

still no reason to compare the two...

this is an example of "moving goal post"

The hell, but that's what people are comparing it to in here........So that's what we'll talk about.

"Moving goal posts" must be the new NT thing to say because I've heard it used out of context numerous times the past week or so.

 

[robinvandamn]

and it would have come out a full year prior to this film

still no reason to compare the two...

this is an example of "moving goal post"

The hell, but that's what people are comparing it to in here........So that's what we'll talk about.

"Moving goal posts" must be the new NT thing to say because I've heard it used out of context numerous times the past week or so.

i've only seen one person make that comparison and it's stupid.

Again, i was one of the first "Marvel fanboys" to say AoU wasn't good and i got killed for it so i'm not caping right now. It's just dumb to not compare a film with the other ones of the same genre that released in the same year lol

And the moving goal post thing was a mention to some dumb **** someone said in the DC thread so i'm glad you caught it

 

[KingParappa]

I think my expectations for comic books or X-Men movies in particular, is that they are entertaining and have a decent storyline. For me, X1, X2, First Class, DOFP and The Wolverine were the films I enjoyed. Simply because I was entertainined. Yeah, it isn't a oscar worthy film...Although I doubt any comic book movie would be considered Oscar worthy. I just expect that the film has relevance to the comic books and that it isn't crazy (IE Amazing Spider-Man 3 was rumored to be about Peter reviving the dead back to life)

I know people are highly critical with comic book movies and how they reflect the comic storyline...But for me, I won't complain too much lol.

X1 & X2 are great and I was so ready for X3 after X2 happened. First Class was surprisingly good of course there are some issues but nothing that stopped me from liking the movie. DOFP was good. I think most of the problems I had with that movie comes from what they cut. Originally it was supposed to be Juggernaut to break Magneto out no QS and they just left Rogue on the cutting room floor. The Wolverine damn near is a MCU Wolverine movie with all the names changed. I mean Madame Hydra and the Hand was in there!


I enjoyed most of the X-men movies but the ones I don't like stick with me because in the back of my head I always think that it can happen again.

 

[rfx45]

X1 & X2 are great ... DOFP was good....


I enjoyed most of the X-men movies but the ones I don't like stick with me because in the back of my head I always think that it can happen again.

Understandably so but you also got to keep in mind that it isn't Singer that has let you down, base on your post, seems like you enjoyed all his films so far.

 

[KingParappa]

Yeah I know it isn't singers fault but that doesn't stop me from thinking he could muff this up.

 

[everysingletime]

I don't fault Singer for X1 and X2

I do fault them for not doing a hard reboot starting with first class.

The soft reboot just makes things too messy.

Like people have said, x1 and x2 were good for their times but that was then and of course they can't stand up to the current generation of movies. So why insist on holding on to actors from that Era?

Fox is changing Yea but imo they're slow to change. And they definitely didn't think ahead.

To think, all they had to do to start out with a clean slate was just exclude Jackman's cameo in first class smh

 

[rfx45]

To be fair, no one else thought ahead before Marvel.

 

[blastercombo]

Yeah, and xmen messed up by starting off with as many creative decisions as they did and then all of a sudden wanted to go by the source material more strictly. Left them with too many fires to put out

 

[rfx45]

But DoFP pretty much reset everything. I am still confused why it becomes so confusing for many after that. After DoFP, just consider it fresh and nothing before ever existed and you should be good. Forget all about the past mess and even how inconsistent it could be to get to DoFP, after DoFP it means a brand new timeline where anything can happen.

 

[Fozz]

^ True...I'm exited for this film. Takes place in the 80s and we finally get to see young Cyclops and Jean Grey.

 

[airthompson]

But DoFP pretty much reset everything. I am still confused why it becomes so confusing for many after that. After DoFP, just consider it fresh and nothing before ever existed and you should be good. Forget all about the past mess and even how inconsistent it could be to get to DoFP, after DoFP it means a brand new timeline where anything can happen.

And I'm glad they did that. Fixed all those previous dated movies. They were decent for the time, but now theyre horrible. And writers wrote themselves into a corner. Now they have to make it right

 

[blastercombo]

But DoFP pretty much reset everything. I am still confused why it becomes so confusing for many after that. After DoFP, just consider it fresh and nothing before ever existed and you should be good. Forget all about the past mess and even how inconsistent it could be to get to DoFP, after DoFP it means a brand new timeline where anything can happen.

Yes DOFP did "fix" things (maybe, still left to be seen) but I'm talking about everything before that

 

[rfx45]

And you get to forget that.

I mean this isn't just on you @blaster but I've seen so many complaints that "Apoclypse is going to suck because the stories are a mess already". Well they were but now they aren't anymore. You get to completely forget they even existed and move forward fresh.

Just saying that you really can't apply the old movies stories to the new anymore and get confused because you might as well call anything after DoFP a reboot of sorts.

 

[sunshineblotters]

No way to say DoFP fixed everything until we get to that point in the timeline

Why would you say nothing happened before DoFP when the events of First Class is an integral part of the movie?

Singer is back for one decent movie. Not enough to make me a believer. @itsabouttime knows whatsup

 

[blastercombo]

And you get to forget that.

I mean this isn't just on you @blaster but I've seen so many complaints that "Apoclypse is going to suck because the stories are a mess already". Well they were but now they aren't anymore. You get to completely forget they even existed and move forward fresh.

Just saying that you really can't apply the old movies stories to the new anymore and get confused because you might as well call anything after DoFP a reboot of sorts.

Oh no, I got you on all that and somewhat agree. I was just bringing up the fatal flaw of the previous xmen films.


I say somewhat agree because as seen before we don't know just how much they'll "reboot"

 

[rfx45]

What point in what timeline?

Again everything that happened before DoFP is changed, maybe include First Class too in the the timeline if you want but if you want to start fresh and stop being confused (which many still are it seems) and just simplify everything then everything reset after DoFP (or to make it clearer or more confusing, anything that is dated to happen after DoFP -after the 70s(?) is an event that no longer exist).

X1-X3, Wolverine: Origins and TheWolverine never happened from this point forward.

 

[blastercombo]

No way to say DoFP fixed everything until we get to that point in the timeline

Why would you say nothing happened before DoFP when the events of First Class is an integral part of the movie?

Singer is back for one decent movie. Not enough to make me a believer. @itsabouttime knows whatsup

I'm thinking the only movies that happened now are

First clas
DOFP
The wolverine


Everything g else is in the garbage

 

[rfx45]

The Wolverine is pretty much gone too, that never happened since it is after X3.

 

[sunshineblotters]

I'm thinking the only movies that happened now are

First clas
DOFP
The wolverine


Everything g else is in the garbage

Timeline A

First Class
DoFP (branches off into normal future and DoFP future)
The Wolverine

Timeline B
X1 and X2

No longer canon:
X3
Wolverine Origins

With timeline A and timeline B not branching off from each other but being completely different like 616 and 1610. That way they dont have to explain why wolverine and sabretooth dont know/acknlowedge they are brothers or explain why Raven and Xavier are practically brother sister in the past but dont know each other in the future. Also fixes a lot of the deaging/aging slowly issues.

Havent seen "The Wolverine" to know if my timeline A makes sense tho.

 

[blastercombo]

Timeline A

First Class
DoFP (branches off into normal future and DoFP future)
The Wolverine

Timeline B
X1 and X2

No longer canon:
X3
Wolverine Origins

With timeline A and timeline B not branching off from each other but being completely different like 616 and 1610. That way they dont have to explain why wolverine and sabretooth dont know/acknlowedge they are brothers or explain why Raven and Xavier are practically brother sister in the past but dont know each other in the future.

Havent seen "The Wolverine" to know if my timeline A makes sense tho.

Well that plays into my last post of the horrible creative liberties they made with the characters. Thy first went and made their own interpretation and now want to go along with the comics. Can't be that way without making a mess of things one way or another

 

[rfx45]

I mean it can work to go your own route and then follow the comics, they just went about it the wrong way because it seems like they dismissed the films before it.

And yeah TheWolverine can't exist in TimelineA, it is like a sequel to X3 and it is where he finally got over his blue balls over Jean.

 

[tay1]

Sure the timeline is fixed. Most understand that. Doesn't change the fact that they were garbage movies for the most part. That's why I'm not forgetting them and have little hope for this film. I'm sure Apoclypse will be ok at best, but I need more than that.

 

[everysingletime]

It's going to be interesting to see what happens when the Fox timeline catches up to present day

I'm going to be skeptical until I see that movie.

 

[IATT]

I still want an explanation of why future magneto (who was very much trying to save himself along with everyone else) was so adamant that wolverine would need the past him to succeed in whatever needed to be done..

from my vantage point, everyone involved would have been better off had they left him in the cell

 

[IATT]

I have no clue if the timeline is different..

we are dealing with someone who wouldn't let go of the previous movies, to do a true 'first class' movie.. and THAT was the true opportunity to just start everything fresh from scratch.. but couldn't do that

and when wolverine goes back to the future timeline, we are still dealing with certain characters at very specific ages.. unless he starts to get very convenient with the time and ages characters were used in previous films