Better Call Saul Season Thread - Season Six - April 18th

just people saying that it might be his son
but we have no proof

oh ok..thought I was messing something lol. Although I do find it very interesting that they are both moreno/latino with names like Gustavo and Ernesto living in New Mexico. If this was NY,NJ, Fla i wouldn't care but since it is New Mexico it is very uncommon…. maybe there is something there or we all are just thinking too much lol
 
Honestly, the biggest thing Chuck did wrong in this episode was lie about their mom's last words.

But how are any of us surprised or angry at Chuck for recording Jimmy? 

He knew Jimmy did it, he knows he broke the law. The law is SACRED to Chuck. It means more than anything and Jimmy tarnishes it and embarrasses Chuck. It's the central aspect of Chuck's character... a respect and reverence to the law. I'm not mad at Chuck at all for that.. it's what I expect him to do.
 
I hope we get more con artistry and Jimmy getting people out of situations by any means necessary. The show can miss me with its family drama bull. I couldn't care less about fudged numbers on TPS reports or any of that lame crap. Saul Goodman is a CRIMINAL lawyer. Mike is a cleaner/hitman working pretty close to one of the biggest drug cartels in New Mexico. Show me some some sex, drugs, and violence or maybe something bigger than forgery. This show is on AMC, not the CW

Agree with all of this. It's a show disguised as breaking but not nearly as exciting or risk taking.
 
I hope we get more con artistry and Jimmy getting people out of situations by any means necessary. The show can miss me with its family drama bull. I couldn't care less about fudged numbers on TPS reports or any of that lame crap. Saul Goodman is a CRIMINAL lawyer. Mike is a cleaner/hitman working pretty close to one of the biggest drug cartels in New Mexico. Show me some some sex, drugs, and violence or maybe something bigger than forgery. This show is on AMC, not the CW

THANK YOU
 
i think the characters on this show have more depth and are delivering some great, nuanced performances. to this point, i still like breaking bad more but i really like this show more for its' differences and not the similarities to breaking bad.
 
Honestly, the biggest thing Chuck did wrong in this episode was lie about their mom's last words.

But how are any of us surprised or angry at Chuck for recording Jimmy? 

He knew Jimmy did it, he knows he broke the law. The law is SACRED to Chuck. It means more than anything and Jimmy tarnishes it and embarrasses Chuck. It's the central aspect of Chuck's character... a respect and reverence to the law. I'm not mad at Chuck at all for that.. it's what I expect him to do.

It's not about Chuck and the law....it's about Chuck being "right" and Jimmy being "wrong". Jimmy would risk his life, future etc if it meant making sure his brother was ok.

Chuck would kill himself just to make sure his own brother does not succeed.
 
Did anyone else think of MGSV during the sniper scene. I was humming it and my lady gave me the stank eye

 
I hope we get more con artistry and Jimmy getting people out of situations by any means necessary. The show can miss me with its family drama bull. I couldn't care less about fudged numbers on TPS reports or any of that lame crap. Saul Goodman is a CRIMINAL lawyer. Mike is a cleaner/hitman working pretty close to one of the biggest drug cartels in New Mexico. Show me some some sex, drugs, and violence or maybe something bigger than forgery. This show is on AMC, not the CW

Agree with all of this. It's a show disguised as breaking but not nearly as exciting or risk taking.
:lol: Like Vince said after S1 this wasn't going to be that show.

BB will always be the main dish. I take BCS as an appetizer. They just serving us in a different order.

This show was never gonna be sex, drugs, and violence :lol: Look at who ya main character is.
Honestly, the biggest thing Chuck did wrong in this episode was lie about their mom's last words.

But how are any of us surprised or angry at Chuck for recording Jimmy?

He knew Jimmy did it, he knows he broke the law. The law is SACRED to Chuck. It means more than anything and Jimmy tarnishes it and embarrasses Chuck. It's the central aspect of Chuck's character... a respect and reverence to the law. I'm not mad at Chuck at all for that.. it's what I expect him to do.
At this point with ppl's reactions they're just hating somebody who is the bad guy on a Skylar level. If it's one thing a Vince project will provide is for someone for ppl to really hate. The dynamics of this show have ppl just ignoring character motivations and development. Chuck's a douche with a reason for why he's doing what he's doing. He's not the big brother picking on his little brother. He's legit frustrated with what Jimmy is doing.


Honestly, the biggest thing Chuck did wrong in this episode was lie about their mom's last words.

But how are any of us surprised or angry at Chuck for recording Jimmy? 

He knew Jimmy did it, he knows he broke the law. The law is SACRED to Chuck. It means more than anything and Jimmy tarnishes it and embarrasses Chuck. It's the central aspect of Chuck's character... a respect and reverence to the law. I'm not mad at Chuck at all for that.. it's what I expect him to do.

It's not about Chuck and the law....it's about Chuck being "right" and Jimmy being "wrong". Jimmy would risk his life, future etc if it meant making sure his brother was ok.

Chuck would kill himself just to make sure his own brother does not succeed.
Nah. It's definitely Chuck and the law along with him disliking what Jimmy stands for.

If Jimmy was off being a dirty cop or black market doctor, I'm betting Chuck would not do gymnastics to get at him like this as long as Jimmy didn't flaunt that behavior in his face. That he's a lawyer puts him in his field of work which he isn't happy about.

Chuck as the bad guy and everything he's doing this season is explicitly explained by him in his argument with Jimmy. He doesn't like the idea of somebody who is obviously a criminal and unethical practicing the law. He doesn't like that that's who is brother is. So he's doing what he can not help him prosper.

Chuck is doing all this ******** why again?
The recent **** is cuz he wanted to keep a client that was gonna leave with Kim who is working with Jimmy.

He doesn't want dude to succeed in any situation where it can look like he took a loss in the process.

Overall, he doesn't want Jimmy practicing the law. Probably also hates they have the same last name and that he's practicing the law and that there's any chance ppl would know that's his brother who is also is a lawyer. You add in the family history and it runs deep for Chuck.

If this was some other show with Chuck as the main character there'd probably be a more detailed exposition on his actions. Not that they're good or justified but they're his reasons.
 
Someone name me a bigger hatter in all of tv then Chuck.
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Earlier today, I spoke with Saul creators Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould about the finale, the character who was implied (in a puzzle that fans online solved before the producers were expecting them to) but not shown, juggling the two shows in one, the great supporting performances by Rhea Seehorn and Michael McKean, and more. Their answers (with full spoilers, of course) are coming up just as soon as I want coffee but I do not want cream...

You guys did an interview with Rich Eisen yesterday where Vince was laughing as he said that you didn't have a deal with Giancarlo Esposito yet. Was there ever going to be a version of the finale where Gus appeared?

Vince Gilligan: No, no, no. Like we said on Rich's show, we report this a bit sheepishly: we truly did not realize how smart our fans are. That is to our detriment. We thought that we would have more control of this little puzzle we put into the titles (where the first letters, rearranged, spell out "FRINGS BACK") where we thought that today, Peter could Tweet, "Hey guys, check out the titles of this season! You might find something interesting embedded in them." That way, as people were asking the question — "Who could have left that message in the windshield of Mike's car?" — the little clue could have pointed to an answer to that. But because these folks are so smart, and because they got ahead of us, they changed the story on us, suddenly it looks to the world like, "Oh, man, Gus should have been in that episode. That was a bit of a bait-and-switch!" The clue got out way before the intended time for it to get out.

It was never the intention for Gus to be in that episode. And to take it a step further, people should not assume in any way, shape, or form that they'll see Gus in the first episode of next season. It's possible they will. It's also possible, if not more possible, they won't. Gus is a character, as we know from Breaking Bad, who casts a very long shadow, and has a great many agents doing his bidding. He's a guy who's very hard for Walter White to pin down when Walt met him, and I think that will continue to be the case. That is his character, as I understand it. He is not a guy who reveals himself very quickly.

http://m.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watc...ont-automatically-expect-to-see-gus-next-year

This is how you deal with your audience when it pertains to 'cliffhangers.' TWD should take note.
 
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I think what I've come to realize from this season is that while Chuck is a player hater, Jimmy is a scumbag. They have both had grimey moments this season, but nothing is more flagrant than recording your own brother with the intention of getting him into trouble with the law. That being said, taking advantage of your brothers medical condition to win back a client for your girl that your bro fairly won back is also flagrant. Chuck won back Mesa Verde in a legal manner, although his intentions were suspect.

Ernesto is a real one :pimp:

That note :pimp: my dude Gus coming back
 
Oh yea, while I despise Chuck, Michael McKean is an awesome actor. That scene in the emergency room is one of the best in the series so far, it genuinely made me feel bad for the F-boy for about 10 seconds.

Agreed. I keep thinking it sucks they don't give him one likeable thing to do or another side to his character.

All the hospital scenes and even the one where he thinks he can't be a lawyer anymore were really great scenes, and made me feel some sympathy even though the character is so unlikable every other second he's on the screen.
 
I absolutely love the gun salesman and any interactions he has in this universe. The professionalism and transaction was just awesome to me.

Did he also give Mike weaponry 'on the house' in BB or was that Walt?
 
He only gave him the ammo on the house, I believe. And I don't remember in BB exactly.
 
Honestly, the biggest thing Chuck did wrong in this episode was lie about their mom's last words.

But how are any of us surprised or angry at Chuck for recording Jimmy? 

He knew Jimmy did it, he knows he broke the law. The law is SACRED to Chuck. It means more than anything and Jimmy tarnishes it and embarrasses Chuck. It's the central aspect of Chuck's character... a respect and reverence to the law. I'm not mad at Chuck at all for that.. it's what I expect him to do.

The law is sacred to Chuck, but he is using that as an excuse to go after Jimmy. He might have love for Jimmy because they are bros, but deep down Chuck has a lot of resentment towards him. Jimmy casts a big shadow, and Chuck has never been able to come out of his little brother's shadow. Think back to the story about their father losing the business because Jimmy stole $14k over a few years from the business. Despite the evidence, the father would never believe his "Jimmy" would do that to him.

WHen Jimmy came over for dinner, he stole the show. Chuck planted all these seeds of negativity into his wife's head about Jimmy. Jimmy's personality shined through and she adored him. When Chuck tried to tell a joke it flopped. He can't hang when it comes to Jimmy. Last but not least, typical Jimmy thinking of himself leaves their dying mother to get food. When she awakens, her only words are for Jimmy, not the "good son" who stayed at her bed side. Their mother on her death bed, and she is calling for Jimmy who left. Chuck keeps taking Ls when it comes to Jimmy. He spends his time trying to expose Jimmy to everyone, so they can see how truly bad he is. The people he loves the most {parents and wife} didn't see. His only mission right now is to get Jimmy point blank. He doesn't give a **** about anything else.

You are right about not being mad at Chuck for setting Jimmy up though. He is a **** boy, like someone in here said. You can't expect him to be any other way. I knew Chuck was ************, and I assumed he had some type of recording device in there too. The doctor even said Chuck put himself in a self induce coma or something. When I heard that, I assumed it was to punish Jimmy.


It's not about Chuck and the law....it's about Chuck being "right" and Jimmy being "wrong". Jimmy would risk his life, future etc if it meant making sure his brother was ok.

Chuck would kill himself just to make sure his own brother does not succeed.

Preach!


I think what I've come to realize from this season is that while Chuck is a player hater, Jimmy is a scumbag. They have both had grimey moments this season, but nothing is more flagrant than recording your own brother with the intention of getting him into trouble with the law. That being said, taking advantage of your brothers medical condition to win back a client for your girl that your bro fairly won back is also flagrant. Chuck won back Mesa Verde in a legal manner, although his intentions were suspect.

Ernesto is a real one :pimp:

That note :pimp: my dude Gus coming back

I don't think Jimmy played on Chuck's illness to get over. It was a simple trick of switching numbers to delay the process of the application which it did. None of that had anything to do with Chuck's "mental disorder". Jimmy himself didn't even expect Chuck to take it to the levels that he did. Chuck was just on a mission to bury Jimmy after that point.


I wonder if Jimmy can argue that he just said what he said to help Chuck out

I'm sure Jimmy can get himself out of that situation. He might have to play on Chuck's illness and do some things that will ruin/tarnish Chuck's reputation and probably his career in the process. If it comes to that, then Chuck deserves it.

I really want to know what happened to make Jimmy crossover to Saul. Last week I was certain chuck either bit the bullet, or became paralyzed as a result of the fall. I thought that would have been turning point for him. Now I need another theory.
 
Honestly, the biggest thing Chuck did wrong in this episode was lie about their mom's last words.

But how are any of us surprised or angry at Chuck for recording Jimmy? 

He knew Jimmy did it, he knows he broke the law. The law is SACRED to Chuck. It means more than anything and Jimmy tarnishes it and embarrasses Chuck. It's the central aspect of Chuck's character... a respect and reverence to the law. I'm not mad at Chuck at all for that.. it's what I expect him to do.

It's not about Chuck and the law....it's about Chuck being "right" and Jimmy being "wrong". Jimmy would risk his life, future etc if it meant making sure his brother was ok.

Chuck would kill himself just to make sure his own brother does not succeed.

Absolutely NAILED IT.
 
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