The 2015 NBA Draft Thread: Draft Day Is Here

And there is also a huge list of guys that made the mistake of going early and dropping significantly.

It works both ways.

I think the NBA would improve if the word "potential" was banned from the English dictionary.
 
And there is also a huge list of guys that made the mistake of going early and dropping significantly.

It works both ways.

I think the NBA would improve if the word "potential" was banned from the English dictionary.


What guy has "dropped" from where they were projected after they declared?


Only one I can remember recently is Nerlens and that was because of injury and character concerns with his family/friends.



You think a guy like Otto Porter goes lottery if he stays another year?


Anthony Bennett still goes #1 if he stays another year?


Cody Zeller?


Alex Len? Tristan Thompson? Derrick Williams?



There's never any point in staying man, too much evidence to the contrary.
 
Surprised Osh hasn't come in with the Euro Kobe ether 

Not really ether.I love him, Just an observation.


He's really good, if he was in college he might be a top 4 pick. dude has that much talent.

but I wonder, I just wonder whats going to happen in the locker room when he's some white dude from europe, pulling from 30 and glaring at teamates. :lol:
 
I don't think this draft is top heavy at all lots of really good prospects outside the lottery, better than last year I would say. Draft is strong Im not sure if any prospect is better than Embiid and Wiggins. but from 2 - 60 I think this draft is a bit better.

If these guys all come ou?

RJ Hunter
Jakob Poetle
Kris Dunn
Trye Lyels
Caris Levert
San Dekker
Tyus Jones
Delon

the outside of the lottery is really strong.
 
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This is really one the worst basketball debate's

Guy's who say player's should go back are you saying that for Draft Stock or is it 98% about the player development you think he will get in college :lol:
 
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I don't think this draft is top heavy at all lots of really good prospects outside the lottery, better than last year I would say. Draft is strong Im not sure if any prospect is better than Embiid and Wiggins. but from 2 - 60 I think this draft is a bit better.

If these guys all come ou?

RJ Hunter
Jakob Poetle
Kris Dunn
Trye Lyels
Caris Levert
San Dekker
Tyus Jones
Delon

the outside of the lottery is really strong.
Kris Dunn declared?

i want someone to give FVV a shot in the NBA
 
Ok

So ai & vince shouldve came out of hs then if college doesnt prepare players for the nba

You must not be old enough to remember 20 years ago...AI graduated HS in 94' after going to jail and BARELY getting into Georgetown. KG came out of HS in 95. First since Moses Malone. Most players were spending at least 2 years in college back then. Whole different climate.

Who are you guys man? Lol
 
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^^^^


None of those guys were high projected picks until their break out year, they weren't already projected high, decided to come back and improved their stock.


& guess what happened after they were projected high? They all left.


You arguing for the sake of it and reaching at straws.
 
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This whole time I'm talking about 1st rounders/lottery picks and you come in talking about guys who weren't going to be drafted/second rounders before their breakout years.


Did anyone of those guys come back to "improve" their stock after they actually had stock?


:lol:


If you can't see that it's stupid to come back, that's on you kid.
 
You go from improving stock to Now they werent projected high :lol:

Ok you got it

I don't think you get it. When you are projected high, it makes absolutely no sense to go back to college to "improve" as a player...or improve your stock. History has shown that stock drops..and scouts tend to nitpick. The players you mentioned weren't projected high, so it was in theyre best interest to come back to school. Now say Steph Curry stays AFTER his junior year...he'd likely not be taken as high.
 
Typically the reasons a player will come back to school and improve they're stock is that they JUST burst onto the scene, injury, or some type of suspension.

This is when it is recommended to spend abother year in college. Not to improve as a player...but to improve your stock since you weren't properly evaluated for the aforementioned reasons.

James Mcadoo could have been a top 10 pick if he came out after his freshman year. He stayed til he was a senior and was undrafted.
 
NBA aint trying spend money on the D League, NCAA is the minor league for the long haul :smh:

Imagine coming outta HS and they offering you 80k in the D League AND you still looking at being a lottery pick..no way in hell any of the top guys pick college :lol:
 
NBA aint trying spend money on the D League, NCAA is the minor league for the long haul :smh:

Imagine coming outta HS and they offering you 80k in the D League AND you still looking at being a lottery pick..no way in hell any of the top guys pick college :lol:


It would be a drop in the bucket financially for the NBA to make the D-League respectable though especially with the new TV deal.


But yea, no way a kid should choose getting 200k to play against better talent in a pro system and still go lottery over college but some still would, culture is engrained.
 
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Yea it aint about the money, NBA just aint trying to step on NCAA's toes ...D League has always been catered to the young vets with NBA dreams still, the whole set up of that league is wrong imo
 
Yea it aint about the money, NBA just aint trying to step on NCAA's toes ...D League has always been catered to the young vets with NBA dreams still, the whole set up of that league is wrong imo

It is, they paying guys 10-20k like that's even close to being enough for professional athlete to live on.


How you supposed to eat right and train correctly with that?


1 10 day contract gets you like 30k.
 
Yea it aint about the money, NBA just aint trying to step on NCAA's toes ...D League has always been catered to the young vets with NBA dreams still, the whole set up of that league is wrong imo

It is, they paying guys 10-20k like that's even close to being enough for professional athlete to live on.


How you supposed to eat right and train correctly with that?


1 10 day contract gets you like 30k.
Its terrible, they hoping players can survive of the hope of grabbing a 10 day...thats y i cant blame the dudes i know that jumped straight overseas as soon as college was over
 
360 draft profiles from ESPN:
Turner is high risk, high reward

To help readers get to know top NBA draft prospects, Insider offers a 360-degree look at many of them in a concise and thorough scouting report featuring three expert perspectives: Kevin Pelton (analytics), Fran Fraschilla (scouting) and Chad Ford (NBA front offices). Here's a look at Turner.

WARP Projection: 2.4 (11th among players in the top 100)
Comps: Kosta Koufos (93.9), Chris Bosh (93.0), Derrick Favors (91.8), Spencer Hawes (91.2)
Strengths: Shooting, Block%
Weaknesses: 2P%, Steal%, PF%

The analytics perspective

Kevin Pelton: When he was on the court, Turner was one of the most productive freshmen in college basketball. Playing behind a veteran Texas frontline, Turner averaged just 22.2 minutes per game, producing an unremarkable raw stat line of 10.1 points and 6.5 rebounds per game and 2.6 blocks per game. That projects to 18.3 points, 11.8 rebounds and 4.8 blocks per 40 minutes -- not dissimilar to Karl-Anthony Towns' line of 19.5, 12.7 and 4.4.

Turner isn't quite at that level as a prospect. His 2-point percentage (51.3 percent) was low for a college big man, and his poor steal rate (10 in 755 minutes) is also a bit of a red flag. Whatever team drafts Turner shouldn't expect immediate contributions, but in time he figures to develop into a unique big man with the ability to protect the rim and stretch the floor with his outside shooting. It's hard to find many college comparisons for that combination.

The scouting perspective

Fran Fraschilla: While Myles Turner is likely to fall somewhere in the NBA draft lottery, he will need to make major adjustments to his game that will take time. Because of his age, lack of strength and his body type, the physicality of the NBA will be a major issue early in his career.

Similar sentiments were made about former Longhorns and current NBA star LaMarcus Aldridge when he was in Austin. Aldridge benefited, both physically and mentally, however, from his second year at Texas before being selected as the No. 2 pick in the 2006 NBA draft. Turner will not likely get that opportunity to improve the same way.

NBA scouts I have talked to describe Turner to me as a "high hips" guy in the post, meaning his narrow base will make him easy to move off the lane. Ideally, he will be able, at some point in his career, to add the necessary 25 pounds or so that will enable him to battle inside. All indications are that he is a diligent worker in the Texas weight room.

If there is a saving grace, offensively, it is his outstanding free throw shooting.

Because the NBA draft has become a "projection draft," and not one that usually fills immediate needs for teams, Turner will still end up in the lottery, in my opinion. But like so many young players coming into the NBA, his chance to impact a good team or help a poor team improve will be a work in progress.

The front office perspective

Chad Ford: Turner was the No. 2 ranked high school prospect in the country according to ESPNU. He has the talent to live up to that ranking. The question is whether he'll ever reach that lofty ceiling.

The good news is that Turner has NBA size and length for his position. While not an explosive athlete, he's mobile, can run the floor and guard in the paint and on the perimeter. His jump shot is very advanced for a 7-footer and he shows NBA range from there. He's been a very good rim protector at Texas.

The bad news is that Turner was wildly inconsistent as a freshman. He dominated lesser competition but often disappeared against elite teams. He also lacks strength and has a very unusual gait that has scouts worried. They wonder if he keeps running that way whether he'll trigger injuries down the road.

He's a tough player to project. On potential he's a top 5 pick. On immediate NBA impact, he's more of a late lottery, early first rounder. He's one of the biggest high risk/high reward players in the draft and should fall somewhere in the 6 to 13 range on draft night.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draf...?ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_360profile_mylesturner

Martin provides late-round value

To help readers get to know top NBA draft prospects, Insider offers a 360-degree look at many of them in a concise and thorough scouting report featuring three expert perspectives: Kevin Pelton (analytics), Fran Fraschilla (scouting) and Chad Ford (NBA front offices). Here's a look at Martin.

The analytics perspective

Kevin Pelton: The biggest red flag in Jarell Martin's statistics is his poor rebound rate. As a freshman, Martin rebounded at a below-average rate for any college player, let alone a big man. His rebound percentage was more respectable as a sophomore, but Martin's projection would still put him among the bottom five power forwards in my college database. The rest of this group is made up of stretch bigs like Grant Jerrett, Ryan Kelly, Erik Murphy along with Adonis Thomas.

While shooting comes out as Martin's lone statistical strength, he's not really a perimeter threat. He barely climbed over the threshold to make this a strength for power forwards by virtue of making 33.3 percent of his 3-point attempts as a freshman before dropping to 26.9 percent in year two. If you want to consider him a small forward, this strength immediately becomes a weakness.

The scouting perspective

Fran Fraschilla: The first time I saw Martin play early in his freshman year, my first though was, "He looks and carries himself like an NBA player." Whether he turns into one is still a mystery but given his 6-foot-9, 235-pound frame, his agility and high-flying athleticism, there will be healthy discussion about him among NBA teams.

I see Martin as a classic NBA "tweener" at forward. He has the average size of a power forward with a good body type and good, not great, strength for this stage of his development (he turns 21 on May 24). At this point, he lacks a polished post-up game but he has good hands and agility around the basket and made 69 percent of his shots at the rim, according to hoop-math.com. For his size, Martin should be both a better offensive and defensive rebounder. And, defensively, he did get pushed around, at times, around the basket in the SEC.

It's possible that, with the work to improve his perimeter skills, Martin can eventually play small forward. While he handles the ball well in a straight line, his ability to create his own plays can be improved on. And Martin's outside shooting is still inconsistent. In two seasons at LSU, he shot 31 percent from behind the arc. This season, he made just 27 percent of his 2-point jump shots, as well, according to hoop-math.com. Fundamentally, however, it is not a completely broken shooting stroke.

While his lateral quickness has not been an issue defending college players thus far, the step up in competition offensively will problematic at first for Martin. NBA small forwards are hard to stay in front of. It will be one of the many adjustments he will need to make.

Given that the NBA's first round has become a crapshoot in recent years, Martin is going to excite some teams towards the back end of the draft's first round because there is less of a "bust factor" there. I personally think that he has a chance to develop into a good NBA prospect if he has the necessary work ethic needed to improve on his weaknesses. He already looks the part.

The front office perspective

Chad Ford: Martin has been hovering as a late first to early second-round pick since the start of his freshman year. He ranked as a top 10 high school senior, though scouts felt his lack of elite size and his tweener game would always keep him from being a lottery pick. That's generally held true during both years at LSU.

While he has an NBA frame, NBA athleticism, is a solid rebounder and a good finisher at the rim, Martin never really developed the perimeter game to be a NBA three and lacks elite size and length to be a NBA four. He's stuck with the dreaded tweener label -- a virtual death knell for talented, athletic players who don't have a clear position in the pros.

Martin's physical abilities will, however, draw attention from teams. Especially those who might feel like he can make the transition to the three at the next level. But there might be some wishful thinking involved. His 34 percent shooting on 2-point jumpers and his 27 percent shooting on 3-pointers suggest he's got a long ways to go. He should get looks anywhere from 25-to-40 in the draft.
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