The 2015 NBA Draft Thread: Draft Day Is Here

[LIL PRETTY TONE]

the league screwed themselves up by taking the straight outta HS rule out. as soon as they did there were more 1 and dones then ever it seems.

 

[victor page]

for every elite talent there's a bunch of guys that do nothing for 3 years just toiling on a bench somewhere.

This also happens to guys who stay 3-4 years in school too.

There's too many variables that determines how a prospect turns out. 

 

[johnnyredstorm]

they need to embrace the d league as a minor league system more.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

telfair needed to get paid which is fine but his career never got where it should been because he went pro out of high school.

omar cook went pro after one year and is now a nobody when he could've at least been a consistent role player in the league.

so many stories of guys leaving early or out of high school that do nothing after their rookie contracts.

You need 30 teams.

This sharing of teams doesn't work.

agreed. the system needs to be fixed. abolish the 1 year rule, build up the d-league and allow players in college to make money off their likeness.

 

[dacomeup]

If Telfair goes to college, never develops a jumpshot and gets picked apart because he's a sub 6 foot guard without elite athleticism, then how does he benefit? 

Pointing to 2 guys who got caught up in the NYC hype machine aren't good examples. 

 

[victor page]

The D-League is already moving toward the parent club format. All of the newest teams have one parent club. I expect for every team to have a direct affiliate in the next 2-3 years.

 

[Arthur Shelby]

Justise Winslow is a top 5 pick in this Draft

 

[mr marcus]

But saying players only stay to boost their stock is false when cp3 couldve been a top 10 pick in that 03 & 04 draft

CP3 could of went top 10 out HS That's what your saying ?

No undersize pg outta hs going top 10

 

[8pm at msg]

The NBA could develop the D-League and make some decent money back in profit. It's not like they get a percentage of NCAA profits....in front of eyes at least. Under the table deals would have to be major. I mean we pretty much just saw a joint NBA/NCAA commercial...

 

[Arthur Shelby]

No undersize pg outta hs going top 10

Man people wasn't even sure yet who was better between CP & Mustafa Shakur

Cat's just talking just to talk right now

 

[hankmoody]

If Telfair goes to college, never develops a jumpshot and gets picked apart because he's a sub 6 foot guard without elite athleticism, then how does he benefit? 

He sure doesn't get that Adidas deal.

PMatic, I'm always around lol. Just living 6 time zones ahead now so I'm basically relegated to reading on here. 1+ am start times...

 

[mr marcus]

No undersize pg outta hs going top 10

A 5'11 telfair got 13th & you telling me a 6'1 cp3 couldnt get top 10 out of hs when he was miles ahead of telfair

I doubt tj ford or heinrich get selected before cp3

Telfair had way more hype outta HS and Chris is a tad under 6'

 

[herbshuttles15]

I still haven't see any reason why Telfair should have gone to college, him going to college doesn't mean he develops anything.

 

[100027]

You guys are completely missing the point,

The benefit of the age limit isn't for the guys who would have come out of high school. It's the NBA product and the player pool overall. Because it will be higher quality as we have an extra year against tougher competition to see that these guys are busts (the Kwames of the world).

And I'm fine with that. Because the quality of play is better and better players get drafted higher.

 

[dacomeup]

So you're covering for GMs and front offices who make poor decisions? What about the kids who spend 3 years in school and get drafted and still are busts? That hurts the talent pool. These GMs are tracking these kids from the time that they're 14. We don't need an extra year to see that the kids are busts. That's faulty logic.

 

[victor page]

 
So you're covering for GMs and front offices who make poor decisions? What about the kids who spend 3 years in school and get drafted and still are busts? That hurts the talent pool. These GMs are tracking these kids from the time that they're 14. We don't need an extra year to see that the kids are busts. That's faulty logic.

Exactly

Why is this being overlooked? Nobody is FORCING these GMs to draft them. There's no pressure from fans and ownership saying "Hey...draft Kwame Brown or else you're fired". 

All these dudes go through the same evaluation process. If a GM thinks (insert teenager here) projects to be a better player than (insert imaginary NBA-ready upperclassman here)...who's fault is that?

We always here about the young guys that don't pan and why the rule is good. Well where's the rule that prevents Adam Morrison from happening?

Or maybe...JUST MAYBE...some guys pan out...some don't. Just like in EVERY sport regardless of an age limit.

 

[cj003]

I still haven't see any reason why Telfair should have gone to college, him going to college doesn't mean he develops anything.

This. Folks acting like college coaches have some magic potion that nba coaches don't have. In reality a lot of the HS busts had good coaches around them, they just weren't good enough.

Talent pans out college or not. The NBA is for the age limit b/c it protects these idiot gms from making awful mistakes. The benefit of college is that gms can see how a player competes against other elite talent. You're not watching a 6'11'' Kwame Brown dominate 6' centers on grainy vhs tapes.

I think of a guy like Josh Selby. If he could've came out of HS he was a top ten pick. He went to Kansas and it was revealed that he had a bad attitude and wasn't good enough. He saved a lottery team from completely wasting a pick.

 

[victor page]

But...don't they have more time to evaluate the guys that spend 3-4 years in school? 

Shouldn't a GM have more information on Doug McDermott than they do with Dante Exum?

I'm not understanding how watching less games played works AGAINST a GM when evaluating a prospect...when there are plenty of prospects who are upperclassmen that they've watched more.

You mean to tell me if GM drafts a 19 year that takes 5 years to develop...it's the system's fault...because he didn't get enough time to evaluate him?

 

[NickFolarin]

 

 
So you're covering for GMs and front offices who make poor decisions? What about the kids who spend 3 years in school and get drafted and still are busts? That hurts the talent pool. These GMs are tracking these kids from the time that they're 14. We don't need an extra year to see that the kids are busts. That's faulty logic.

Exactly

Why is this being overlooked? Nobody is FORCING these GMs to draft them. There's no pressure from fans and ownership saying "Hey...draft Kwame Brown or else you're fired". 

All these dudes go through the same evaluation process. If a GM thinks (insert teenager here) projects to be a better player than (insert imaginary NBA-ready upperclassman here)...who's fault is that?

We always here about the young guys that don't pan and why the rule is good. Well where's the rule that prevents Adam Morrison from happening?

Or maybe...JUST MAYBE...some guys pan out...some don't. Just like in EVERY sport regardless of an age limit.

There is DEFINITELY pressure from ownership with who gets drafted 

 

[c0dyboy2222]

You don't get better prepared for the NBA playing CBB, we go through this every year.

Only reason why a kid should ever stay is WCS last year, he got injured so his stock dropped.


Name me 1 player who's IMPROVED his stock by staying besides him?


Because I got a bunch of Marcus Smarts, Harrison Barnes and James Michael McAdoo's for you.

Blake griffen?

 

[ValarMorghulis]

You guys are completely missing the point,

The benefit of the age limit isn't for the guys who would have come out of high school. It's the NBA product and the player pool overall. Because it will be higher quality as we have an extra year against tougher competition to see that these guys are busts (the Kwames of the world).

And I'm fine with that. Because the quality of play is better and better players get drafted higher.

That's what I'm saying tho

Elite talent are gonna be great anywhere. its the "others" and the "knuckleheads" that need it more.

 

[NickFolarin]

College definitely helps GMs and scouts. Not every kid coming out of HS will have the tangibles, intangibles, and size of a LeBron, KG, Dwight Howard, and Kobe,. 

Perfect examples are the Harrisons twins. If the went straight out of HS, they could have easily been lottery pick, maybe cracked the Top 10, and robbed two teams straight blind, because all they have to go off of is HS and AAU games, . HS game tape doesn't mean s**t when two 6'6 guards are playing high school teams trotting out a 5'6 PG, who just got promoted to Varsity from JV 3 weeks prior. 

College gives scouts a better gauge of how players will play with heighten competition. It's not perfect (NOTHING is ever perfect), but it's much better.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

You guys are completely missing the point,

The benefit of the age limit isn't for the guys who would have come out of high school. It's the NBA product and the player pool overall. Because it will be higher quality as we have an extra year against tougher competition to see that these guys are busts (the Kwames of the world).

And I'm fine with that. Because the quality of play is better and better players get drafted higher.

the vast majority of 1 and done players are better than replacement level. so no the quality of talent wouldn't be better.

less on and done = more replacement players.

 

[ValarMorghulis]

Ya'll looking at this as pure capitalism standpoint

Every guy drafted as "raw" " high upside" " super potential" has a high chance of getting people fired and giving us FANS a **** -ty product on the court.

Lower Ceilings guys who actually reach it are just as vaiuable

 

[frshstunna]

Just a few thoughts on this :

-D league always gon be bs as long as the NCAA and NBA in bed together ...college ball is the minor league n free promotion for the NBA right now

-replacement level players always gon be the same so it doesn't matter if u let the Kids come outta hs or not

-players can get better in college but why would you do that for free?