OFFICIAL MAYWEATHER V. PACQUIAO FIGHT THREAD | MAY 2ND @ MGM GRAND | HBOxSHOWTIME PPV

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Sorry was posting from mobile last night which is why it was that bad lol.

But i cant fault floyd for saying he is tbe bc you have to have that crazy mentality to feed that drive. He never disrespected them. How is it wrong to have that mentality & be confident enough to say it especially when you arent disrespecting anyone along the way.

Ali said it all through his career and we praise him to this day. If he didnt say it I highly doubt we would
Another thing I don't think people know or realize I'm the "GREATEST" was self proclaimed by Ali aka #TBE. So they stuck with everyone until this day.
 
Finally had the chance to watch th "At Last" documentary on HBO. Good stuff.

And I really hope the fight is called off because of this whole signed contract agreement. I feel like the beef is now on Arum not getting what he wants. lol.

Like the article says,



Ellerbe called Arum holding up the signing "typical Bob."



He been on this type of foolishness. Still salty how Money left him like a bitter ex.
 
The reason why I can never put Floyd in the same breath as Ali is because Ali was a pioneer to many things in boxing. Floyd's way was already paved. Ali had the reason and claim to be considered the best ever and he had to fight everyone thrown in front of him and the man actually created brilliant strategies inside the ring that other boxers try to emulate today.

I cannot say the same things about Floyd.

Ali = TBE.



-Drew
 
The reason why I can never put Floyd in the same breath as Ali is because Ali was a pioneer to many things in boxing. Floyd's way was already paved. Ali had the reason and claim to be considered the best ever and he had to fight everyone thrown in front of him and the man actually created brilliant strategies inside the ring that other boxers try to emulate today.

I cannot say the same things about Floyd.

Ali = TBE.



-Drew
But is he a better BOXER  than Floyd? Not Pioneer or what way he paved for fellow AA boxers but PF have u ever seen a more skilled boxer than Floyd? 
 
The reason why I can never put Floyd in the same breath as Ali is because Ali was a pioneer to many things in boxing. Floyd's way was already paved. Ali had the reason and claim to be considered the best ever and he had to fight everyone thrown in front of him and the man actually created brilliant strategies inside the ring that other boxers try to emulate today.


I cannot say the same things about Floyd.


Ali = TBE.




-Drew
But is he a better BOXER  than Floyd? Not Pioneer or what way he paved for fellow AA boxers but PF have u ever seen a more skilled boxer than Floyd? 

I'm sorry but I have Ali, Pernell, Leonard and Duran miles ahead of Floyd.

No doubt in my mind that if Floyd fought in the same age as Pernell or Hearns, they would've ate his lunch and threw him in the locker.

There are much better boxers in history, than Floyd and Manny. That I can definitely say with conviction.



-Drew
 
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I'm not gonna get into the nonsense of comparing fighters across decades, but all I know is if a guy has been on top this long with out losing and he feels he's the best ever who am I to argue.
 
I'm not gonna get into the nonsense of comparing fighters across decades, but all I know is if a guy has been on top this long with out losing and he feels he's the best ever who am I to argue.


I'm just saying, man.

If that's the measurement of being TBE then Marciano should be considered the real TBE right now.

I don't just take fight records into consideration without context.

Floyd definitely does not have the claim to be TBE. I'm not hating if he believes that himself. That's good for him. But I don't thing historians and fans of boxing would put any weight into those claims.



-Drew
 
I'm just saying, man.

If that's the measurement of being TBE then Marciano should be considered the real TBE right now.

I don't just take fight records into consideration without context.

Floyd definitely does not have the claim to be TBE. I'm not hating if he believes that himself. That's good for him. But I don't thing historians and fans of boxing would put any weight into those claims.



-Drew
I cant say a man is TBE if I never seen him fight...
 
I'm sorry but I have Ali, Pernell, Leonard and Duran miles ahead of Floyd.

No doubt in my mind that if Floyd fought in the same age as Pernell or Hearns, they would've ate his lunch and threw him in the locker.

There are much better boxers in history, than Floyd and Manny. That I can definitely say with conviction.



-Drew
Maybe Manny, not so much Floyd. This what makes Floyd so GREAT compare to any other fight, his PLUS-MINUS is unheard of!

Mayweather's overall plus/minus number is plus-30 percent—subtracting the amount a fighter is hit from the amount a fighter lands punches—far ahead of any other top fighter, regardless of weight class.

Comparing Mayweather to other top fighters shows that Mayweather is the most efficient fighter that we have ever seen.

Joe Louis is the closest with a plus-26 percent average, followed by Marvin Hagler with a plus-17 percent and Sugar Ray Leonard with a plus-13 percent. Roberto Duran with a plus-eight percent, Thomas Hearns with a plus-six percent and Muhammad Ali with a plus-four percent don't match up with Mayweather numbers-wise either.
 
I'm just saying, man.


If that's the measurement of being TBE then Marciano should be considered the real TBE right now.


I don't just take fight records into consideration without context.


Floyd definitely does not have the claim to be TBE. I'm not hating if he believes that himself. That's good for him. But I don't thing historians and fans of boxing would put any weight into those claims.




-Drew
I cant say a man is TBE if I never seen him fight...


Then you can't really say the Floyd is TBE either if you haven't seen other ATGs fight if that's the case.



-Drew
 
Then you can't really say the Floyd is TBE either if you haven't seen other ATGs fight if that's the case.



-Drew
I seen Clips here and there too me HW deserve they own categories like Centers in the NBA I ADMIT I never seen any footage of Marciano but the top 3 boxers that I have seen in they prime 

Floyd

Pernell

RJJ
 
I'm sorry but I have Ali, Pernell, Leonard and Duran miles ahead of Floyd.

No doubt in my mind that if Floyd fought in the same age as Pernell or Hearns, they would've ate his lunch and threw him in the locker.

There are much better boxers in history, than Floyd and Manny. That I can definitely say with conviction.



-Drew
Maybe Manny, not so much Floyd. This what makes Floyd so GREAT compare to any other fight, his PLUS-MINUS is unheard of!

Mayweather's overall plus/minus number is plus-30 percent—subtracting the amount a fighter is hit from the amount a fighter lands punches—far ahead of any other top fighter, regardless of weight class.

Comparing Mayweather to other top fighters shows that Mayweather is the most efficient fighter that we have ever seen.

Joe Louis is the closest with a plus-26 percent average, followed by Marvin Hagler with a plus-17 percent and Sugar Ray Leonard with a plus-13 percent. Roberto Duran with a plus-eight percent, Thomas Hearns with a plus-six percent and Muhammad Ali with a plus-four percent don't match up with Mayweather numbers-wise either.

Exactly what I mean by context of fights, man.

Pit Leonard, Whitaker, Hearns, or Duran against the fighters in Floyd's resume and you don't think their plus/minus record would match or even surpass Floyds?

The 80s had live animals in the ring with each other.

Floyd had Baldomir, Hatton, Gatti, etc.



-Drew
 
The reason why I can never put Floyd in the same breath as Ali is because Ali was a pioneer to many things in boxing. Floyd's way was already paved. Ali had the reason and claim to be considered the best ever and he had to fight everyone thrown in front of him and the man actually created brilliant strategies inside the ring that other boxers try to emulate today.

I cannot say the same things about Floyd.

Ali = TBE.



-Drew

So basically nobody but Ali can be the greatest? Even if they end up like 120-0 (impossible I know) but you get my point...

He paved the way so nobody can ever be better him is just a flawed logic IMO.

At the same time... Floyd ain't better than Ali :lol:
 
Exactly what I mean by context of fights, man.

Pit Leonard, Whitaker, Hearns, or Duran against the fighters in Floyd's resume and you don't think their plus/minus record would match or even surpass Floyds?

The 80s had live animals in the ring with each other.

Floyd had Baldomir, Hatton, Gatti, etc.



-Drew
So basically nobody but Ali can be the greatest? Even if they end up like 120-0 (impossible I know) but you get my point...

He paved the way so nobody can ever be better him is just a flawed logic IMO.

At the same time... Floyd ain't better than Ali
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HW deserve they own category it's krazy to compare a 6-4 220lb Ali to 5-7 150 Floyd anyway...
 
Actually seeing this fight is going to be a mess. People planning Vegas trips and you can't actually buy tix yet not can they buy closed circuit packages. Plus, no place on the strip is going to show the fight (I hear you can't order it in hotels) and several bars/restaurants in Vegas cancelled their screening b/c its too expensive.

There's going to be a lot of pissed off tourist.
 
Exactly what I mean by context of fights, man.

Pit Leonard, Whitaker, Hearns, or Duran against the fighters in Floyd's resume and you don't think their plus/minus record would match or even surpass Floyds?

The 80s had live animals in the ring with each other.

Floyd had Baldomir, Hatton, Gatti, etc.



-Drew
Have to respsect GREATNESS! Who else been on top for 18/19 years, hardly ever been hurt/hit, never knocked down, never lost, makes everyone he fights looks average etc..... Just stating facts my dude! Don't see anyone else doing that in the last 18/19 years.
 
Actually seeing this fight is going to be a mess. People planning Vegas trips and you can't actually buy tix yet not can they buy closed circuit packages. Plus, no place on the strip is going to show the fight (I hear you can't order it in hotels) and several bars/restaurants in Vegas cancelled their screening b/c its too expensive.

There's going to be a lot of pissed off tourist.
Exactly I know a ton of broke lame thots thinking they bout to have a ball that weekend aint even got $100 to they name lmao 
 
The reason why I can never put Floyd in the same breath as Ali is because Ali was a pioneer to many things in boxing. Floyd's way was already paved. Ali had the reason and claim to be considered the best ever and he had to fight everyone thrown in front of him and the man actually created brilliant strategies inside the ring that other boxers try to emulate today.

I cannot say the same things about Floyd.

Ali = TBE.



-Drew

So basically nobody but Ali can be the greatest? Even if they end up like 120-0 (impossible I know) but you get my point...

He paved the way so nobody can ever be better him is just a flawed logic IMO.

At the same time... Floyd ain't better than Ali :lol:


Oh definitely not, bro.

I understand everyone is entitled to their opinion. I could understand if they named other countless ATGs.

I just stated my opinion about Ali.

But I don't think I could ever agree that Floyd is TBE or better than Ali. It just doesn't make sense to me. There are so many other names in history that could contest Ali as TBE and out of all the names it had to be Floyd. :lol:



-Drew
 
This greatest of all time BS has to stop ...

He is no doubt the greatest of his era but not of all times. All this opinion based, but like someone stated .. There are more variables to this equation than record. There are fighters that have better records ... Only thing Floyd has over them is a 0 on the loss record.

But that's neither here nor there ... IMHO boxing is nowhere near what it was.

I think even the way they are brought up is not the same. Look at Mexicans, Puerto Ricans ... They aren't event competing ... Those that you see don't go to the body with conviction and even them themselves aren't tested.

Floyd said himself that hardest fight was against Cotton and Cotto is not even an elite boxer in my opinion. Good, Yes .. Elite, No. I think he gave him the most problems because the power and the determination even when he was getting beat .. He was a seasoned fighter that went to the body ... All this other half *** boxers that been brought up like Maidana, Canelo etc are made by the public
. who the **** have they fought .. Look at this bumb Kahn and this young prospect of Garcia ... Those cats would be journey man in the days.

This is not Floyd fault but it contributes to his that his legacy of not being GOAT.
 
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Exactly what I mean by context of fights, man.

Pit Leonard, Whitaker, Hearns, or Duran against the fighters in Floyd's resume and you don't think their plus/minus record would match or even surpass Floyds?

The 80s had live animals in the ring with each other.

Floyd had Baldomir, Hatton, Gatti, etc.



-Drew
Have to respsect GREATNESS! Who else been on top for 18/19 years, hardly ever been hurt/hit, never knocked down, never lost, makes everyone he fights looks average etc..... Just stating facts my dude! Don't see anyone else doing that in the last 18/19 years.


Don't get me wrong. I respect Floyd for pulling numbers like that, but like I said there's levels and context that you have to factor in. The resumes speak for themselves, man.



-Drew
 
This greatest of all time BS has to stop ...

He is no doubt the greatest of his era but not of all times. All this opinion based, but like someone stated .. There are more variables to this equation than record. There are fighters that have better records ... Only thing Floyd has over them is a 0 on the loss record.

But that's neither here nor there ... IMHO boxing is nowhere near what it was.

I think even the way they are brought up is not the same. Look at Mexicans, Puerto Ricans ... They aren't event competing ... Those that you see don't go to the body with conviction and even them themselves are tested.

Floyd said himself that hardest fight was against Cotton and Cotto is not even an elite boxer in my opinion. Good, Yes .. Elite, No. I think he gave him the most problems because the power and the determination even when he was getting beat .. He was a seasoned fighter that went to the body ... All this other half *** boxers that been brought up like Maidana, Canelo etc are made by the public
. who the **** have they fought .. Look at this bumb Kahn and this young prospect of Garcia ... Those cats would be journey man in the days.

This is not Floyd fault but it contributes to his that his legacy of not being GOAT.


I agree with all of this.

The fighters we see today, unfortunately do not hold a candle to the past. Dude's resumes are hyped up and Floyd and Manny are lucky to have dodged a big bullet and fought in the 2000s.



-Drew
 
Yea I would think it would be easier to judge era's and individuals according to weight class...

I'm ready for this fight tho... I'm actually a fan of both but got a few coins on Floyd... Think Manny has about a 30% chance to win... Has to really take control 1-4 to even have a chance 5-12... Because from what I've seen the past few years Floyd usually has your rhythm and what you are trying to accomplish by round 4. And then rounds 5-12 are his and I think that's what's gonna happen.

I will say Know that it's a very good chance that it's going all 12 is scary if you're betting on Floyd... Because even if he's as accurate as he usually is and lands the cleaners blows... Manny's output can win a lot of rounds in most judges eyes.
 
Definitely. Manny needs to recognize any patterns in Floyd's game early and not be suckered into his shots.

It'll be a long night for him if he can't find a groove.

One of the best things he can do is fight his heart out.


-Drew
 
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