Racist Fraternity at the University of Oklahoma caught on tape.

So why aren't you arguing bringing weapons on campus...

I mean.. By law.. The government can't stop you..

:x at people trying to justify this
 
paliplaya2010 paliplaya2010 you tryin too hard and that's why race relations in America will never take giant leaps toward reconcile.
Instead of doing what's "right", the majority keeps using "rights" that were put in place to keep the majority empowered in this country, as a defense to commit acts of hate and acts of oppression against others.
 
sooperhooper said:
In a utopian society all would be forgiven, but in America people want blood, b.

Do I think they would actually go through with a lynching? No. Do I think they made these rhymes up? No. Do I think they have some inkling of racism in them? Absolutely. It may be subtle, but it's clearly there, along with the others that were singing along.
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There's no better environment for evil to thrive in than one of apathy and indifference.
 
Mamba MVP said:
It's not a hard concept to grasp. Just because YOU don't feel threatened by those idiots doesn't mean that others actually at OU agent threatened as well or feel safe. I'm almost positive like any other college campus this probably is one of the most egregious acts to come out publicly but if you're a POC that has been to any college campus there's been some inkling of this going on just in concealment.

This may have been the last straw for some students, you can't sit here and say that there hasn't been a hostile tension filed environment created by this incident. That in itself warrants the expulsion. They may not be expelling them for the actual words per se but the actions on campus and resulting bad environment that they've created which is a violation of the code of conduct.

And stop bringing up Winston who was found not to violate the COC in one instance and wasn't punished, and was in another and was suspended, same with Manziel. I'm sure like any other school there's different degrees of punishment based on the severity of the offense. Creating a harsh work environment (harassment) would be akin to this and can lead to your immediate firing where as other offenses have escalating consequences.

They were allowed to say what they said, their freedom of speech was protected, the punishments from the resulting actions of that speech, well that's an entirely different story. Think you should let your lawyer sister have this one Jack McCoy.
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im done with this argument after this.
in this case Iota chi vs GMU, racist stuff happened and punished. it was taken to court and over turned bc a public school cannot punish for speech. this is fact nothing to argue. regardless of the publicity a public school cannot do that bc its illegal and the school will get sued. this is the case to look at and proves my point. the freedom of speech obviously wasnt protected bc they were punished for it, that is called censorship. "if we dont like what u say, we gonna throw u in jail" that is unconstitutional and the courts have ruled on this.
http://cehdclass.gmu.edu/jkozlows/gmu1az.htm

so that argument is done, it is a fact that u CANNOT be punished at a public school for racist speech.

next topic, is if they are being expelled for the disruption. if a song of me rapping, and run around classrooms blasting it, am I the one disrupting bc its my voice or are u the one disrupting it because you are the one playing it? the obvious answer is you. same like student athletes when they get media attention, it is not their fault that they are popular and media swarms them creating a disruption. just like these ou kids, its not their fault that their stupidity went viral. there are parallels there. disruption by media. who is at fault?
in that same case i cited earlier although it created tension it was still ruled on constitutional for impeding the first amendment.
yes being racist bad, its wrong, its disgusting. it is also PROTECTED and LEGAL.

Fontaine said:
So why aren't you arguing bringing weapons on campus...

I mean.. By law.. The government can't stop you..

:x at people trying to justify this
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The government passed laws saying where u can carry and where u cant carry... those laws are understood and in place. if u break that law by bring a gun to campus, u deserve the consequence. for example, anywhere in texas, you cannot legally carry a gun into an establishment that makes more than 50% of it profit from alcohol or a place that posts a no gun sign (like schools). this is the law, currently in place and well understood. so when u break it you know what ur breaking. what else is there to say. im failing to see the parallelism with this one?
 
It's funny.

People love to start the "free speech" debate when it's pertaining to something like this.

If that was a bus full of people professing their love for and allegiance to ISIS and it led to their expulsion....somehow I don't think "free speech" would be a topic of discussion.

Dwight Howard and Rihanna had to PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE because they asked people to "pray for palestine".

Where were all of you with the "free speech" debate then? Or do we only care about free speech when it's relating to some frat boys singing about how much they hate *******?
 
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paliplaya2010 paliplaya2010 you tryin too hard and that's why race relations in America will never take giant leaps toward reconcile.
Instead of doing what's "right", the majority keeps using "rights" that were put in place to keep the majority empowered in this country, as a defense to commit acts of hate and acts of oppression against others.
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i agree i prob am trying to hard bc i would never publicly back them bc i would be associated with their racist views and im not about that life. but i still believe it is WRONG to expel them bc of the current laws we have in place. remember 2 wrongs dont make a right. im not trying to offend anyone here and i really dont care for these kids at all but i truly believe their rights are being violated. i will gravedig this thread in 3-5 years just to say i told u so. the expulsion is breaking the law. end of story. do i agree what what the kids said? absolutely not. terrible thing to say and i think they are idiot. but there is due process that needs to be followed and laws to abide.
 
ou positioned the expulsion of the 2 students as a violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act which again prohibits educational institutions that receive federal funds from allowing a “hostile” environment on the basis of race to persist.

In the letters to the 2 students, the school wrote, "...[COLOR=#red]You will be expelled because of your leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others[/COLOR]..."

I agree with this approach. We'll see if they expelled kids fight this or not. If they do, we'll see how this holds up.
 
VICTOR PAGE said:
It's funny.

People love to start the "free speech" debate when it's pertaining to something like this.

If that was a bus full of people professing their love for and allegiance to ISIS and it led to their expulsion....somehow I don't think "free speech" would be a topic of discussion.

Dwight Howard and Rihanna had to PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE because they asked people to "pray for palestine".

Where were all of you with the "free speech" debate then? Or do we only care about free speech when it's relating to some frat boys singing about how much they hate *******?
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a dude from my friends med school class posted racist stuff about muslims on fb (im muslim btw) basically saying the girls shouldnt be allowed to wear hijabs and we should go back to our country and pretty much insuated that we should be wiped off the planet with out directly saying it. i was absolutely disgusted when she showed it to me, and she asked my opinion on what she should do. i told her to confront him and educate him. she said she was scared. i said report him, but nothing will happen bc he did not threaten muslims. it was his personal view. its evil but hes entitled to it. this kid will be a medical doctor the will possibly hold the life of a muslim in his hands, its sad. but its america, thats the law, and hes entitled and i said that to her. my views, even when it directly effected me, my friend, and my religion is fairly consistent with my views here. so please please please keep telling me how racist i am.
 
psk2310 said:
ou positioned the expulsion of the 2 students as a violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act which again prohibits educational institutions that receive federal funds from allowing a “hostile” environment on the basis of race to persist.

In the letters to the 2 students, the school wrote, "...[COLOR=#red]You will be expelled because of your leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others[/COLOR]..."

I agree with this approach. We'll see if they expelled kids fight this or not. If they do, we'll see how this holds up.
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Damn I just wrote that. Give it up ok Pauli. Expelled for the hostile work environment.

Everyone is entitled to their views,they're not entitled when those views infringe upon others and create a hostile environment for others.
 
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Mamba MVP said:
Damn I just wrote that. Give it up ok Pauli. Expelled for the hostile work environment.
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We will see how this turns out if the kids fight it. From past cases it's pretty obvious what will happen. Multiple lawyers and civil rights advocate have publicly agreed that this will not hold up. If I had a private company or institution with out a doubt, I would expel these kids. But a public institution does not have that same right. There's nothing more here.
 
paliplaya2010 said:
 
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this what it comes down to.  ya wanna make excuses for them

its not their fault that what they said could be seen by a set of people as threatening?
 
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Well you've made your stance known. Think it's time for you to leave. And that quote H2H highlighted tells all we need to know about you.

On another note, Jon Stewart stays spitting that real. 

 
 
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paliplaya2010 said:
We will see how this turns out if the kids fight it. From past cases it's pretty obvious what will happen. Multiple lawyers and civil rights advocate have publicly agreed that this will not hold up. If I had a private company or institution with out a doubt, I would expel these kids. But a public institution does not have that same right. There's nothing more here.
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Please point them out
 
psk2310 said:
ou positioned the expulsion of the 2 students as a violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act which again prohibits educational institutions that receive federal funds from allowing a “hostile” environment on the basis of race to persist.

In the letters to the 2 students, the school wrote, "...[COLOR=#red]You will be expelled because of your leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others[/COLOR]..."

I agree with this approach. We'll see if they expelled kids fight this or not. If they do, we'll see how this holds up.
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quick question about ur views on this then. it may be a bit of a stretch but i wanna see what u think. i know a lot the other fraternities on that campus now feel unsafe due to the hostile environment caused by the on campus protests. fraternities and sororities completely unaffiliated with those other idiots have been attacked, their houses vandalized and all that stuff. should march leaders and speakers be held responsible for creating that hostile environment? i know its a stretch, but the point im trying to make is that even tho those kids words caused campus reaction and hostile environment for POC, the reactionary words and condemnation of white people has caused a hostile environment for them too. i know this is the worst point im making and everyone will turn the focus to this bc it can refuted and try to invalidate all of the other points i made, but so be it. i still dont think the school has the right to expel them. the first black students segregated into white schools arguably created a hostile environment too. the constitution doesnt protect feelings.
 
Fontaine said:
Please point them out
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http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/10/ou-could-be-making-a-huge-mistake-with-its-expulsions/

http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/10/c...at-song-was-racist-but-was-still-free-speech/

"According to Robert Shibley, executive director of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), Boren actually lacks the power to punish the students"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ity-may-not-expel-students-for-racist-speech/

according to Eugene Volokh, a UCLA law professor and expert on the First and Second Amendments, even this may not be enough to allow for individual punishments

Volokh and shibley are pretty credible people too. i can keep going too but ill let you do the research. start with the washington post article
 
paliplaya2010 said:
psk2310 said:
ou positioned the expulsion of the 2 students as a violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act which again prohibits educational institutions that receive federal funds from allowing a “hostile” environment on the basis of race to persist.

In the letters to the 2 students, the school wrote, "...[COLOR=#red]You will be expelled because of your leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others[/COLOR]..."

I agree with this approach. We'll see if they expelled kids fight this or not. If they do, we'll see how this holds up.
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quick question about ur views on this then. it may be a bit of a stretch but i wanna see what u think. i know a lot the other fraternities on that campus now feel unsafe due to the hostile environment caused by the on campus protests. fraternities and sororities completely unaffiliated with those other idiots have been attacked, their houses vandalized and all that stuff. should march leaders and speakers be held responsible for creating that hostile environment? i know its a stretch, but the point im trying to make is that even tho those kids words caused campus reaction and hostile environment for POC, the reactionary words and condemnation of white people has caused a hostile environment for them too. i know this is the worst point im making and everyone will turn the focus to this bc it can refuted and try to invalidate all of the other points i made, but so be it. i still dont think the school has the right to expel them. the first black students segregated into white schools arguably created a hostile environment too. the constitution doesnt protect feelings.
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LOL

Just stop bro

Dude is obviously rustling jimmies.
 
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Hanging someone from a tree isn't a rhyme, it's murder.
Premeditated murder at that, and it was just a matter of time before one of the SAE boys did something to maliciously injure or harm a student of color. All in the name of SAE because they want to show the rest of the "frat brothers" how down they are.

If white America and their defenders, can understand how listening to violent rap music can lead young black men to commit crimes and acts of violence; then why is it so hard for them to understand that their kids can be influenced to commit acts of violence and crimes against others when they teach them to believe and sing songs of hate and murder?
 
Paliplaya is a god damn idiot for saying the first black students created a hostile environment. WOW! Tell us how you really feel about black people
 
Mamba MVP said:
Well you've made your stance known. Think it's time for you to leave. And that quote H2H highlighted tells all we need to know about you.

On another note, Jon Stewart stays spitting that real. 


 
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I am going to miss John Stewart when he retires. Love how he shines light on stupidity.
 
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Paliplaya is a god damn idiot for saying the first black students created a hostile environment. WOW! Tell us how you really feel about black people
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Lol of course this will be taken of context... so ur telling me you have a bunch of racist white kids at school, then u bring in some black kids, theres not gonna be any tension?? really? thats not hostile? that act just created a hostile environment. how do u not see that? it was a monumental step in civil rights, and your gonna tell me its wrong for me to say it created a hostile environment? wow. continue to understand that how u wish and twist my meaning to villainize me...
 
paliplaya2010 said:
SFC415 said:
Paliplaya is a god damn idiot for saying the first black students created a hostile environment. WOW! Tell us how you really feel about black people
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Lol of course this will be taken of context... so ur telling me you have a bunch of racist white kids at school, then u bring in some black kids, theres not gonna be any tension?? really? thats not hostile? that act just created a hostile environment. how do u not see that? it was a monumental step in civil rights, and your gonna tell me its wrong for me to say it created a hostile environment? wow. continue to understand that how u wish and twist my meaning to villainize me...
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Bruh
 
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