Kendrick Lamar IS The GREATEST Rapper Of All Time (Vol. Hear Me Out. LOOOONG read)

When did KRIT surpass Cole?
Where was I?
Kendrick has seperated himself from Drake.
Drake separated himself from the pack since 09, he's pretty much been popping wheelys. And doin tricks.
J Cole has done some MAJOR pedalling, while he's still behind Kendrick and Drake, he's separated himself from the pack.
At best, KRIT is leading the pack.

In terms of catologs, KRIT surpassed Cole with Cadillactica in my opinion. He more than made than made up for his debut and the album is up there with the two classics that he already has. and im not saying its better than FHD, but it elevates his catalog more.

And not to make this about sales but I thought Kendrick surpassed Cole for a min in terms of popularity but then Cole but then got back in the mix quality wise and sales wise.

The public, not the mainstream media outlets, major publications, twitter feeds, industry taste makers, etc... but real life people have responded to Cole and his movement more than Kendrick in my opinion. And thats all to the credit of Cole himself. You look at Dr.Dre's track record and Kendrick is suppose to be in the position he in if not further.

But then you look at Cole. He topped, Kanye(so what is was Yeezus). He outsold Kendrick, who is the star child right now.

cole's solo performance on letterman was also better than the "Untitled" joint kdot did on colbert..though didn't get a fraction of the hype.

cole has a really dedicated fanbase..i just hate that he always adds a few hyped up stinker songs on his albums..that's not his lane.. loved him since day 1.. krit kendrick cole been my top 3 past 5 yrs though
 
He has a great message and great bars, but great SONGS...ehh not so much, at least IMO.

Either way though, Drake has no business being in this conversation :lol:

Also, I get that Kendrick's message has been a huge topic of discussion the past few weeks, but when a lot of stuff was actually happening over the late summer/fall, dude was basically silent. People have accused Cole of profiting off that movement, why isn't Kendrick's album looked at the same way?

(Not saying it should, just asking a question)
 
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I'm talkin QUALITY.

Obviously all these guys have machines behind them so record sales can't be ignored. But they will NEVER be the be all end all of any intelligent convo about hip hop.

But lets be honest. Aftermath plays little to no part in Kendrick's success. Look at what Dre did for Snoop, Em, 50 & Game. I don't even think he has produced a track for Kendrick yet. I could be wrong. This guy has the BEST hip hop producer at his disposal, and in 3 years and 2 albums hasn't needed him to create classics. (But I guess that means nothing)

As it stands today, Dre produced more music for 2Pac in 2 months than he has for Kendrick in 3 years. The Aftermath signing was just for industry legitimacy. It was much more of a business decision than a creative decision

Kendrick is getting critical acclaim because of his MESSAGE? :lol: really? Not his actual lyrical ability? Wale has a Message (and nothing else), so is he next? He's doin songs with Jay, Eminem because of his MESSAGE? :lol:

The Kendrick detractors need a lil more legitimate gripes. Y'all are REACHING. KRIT and Cole as talented as they are, are NOT culture transcending. KRIT isn't even known in casual hip hop circles.

There's a reason Kendrick. Drake. And Cole are at the forefront. For the most part, their just BETTER than the rest. These 3 are GIFTED.

What separates Kendrick from Outkast and BEP? Actually making albums. The last Outkast group album came out when I was in high school. I'm 30. You have to WORK. Being ELITE is continuous, not infinite. You have to continue to BE elite, you can't hang your hat on your GREATness from a decade ago.

Y'all waitin for Kendrick to take that ride with down the Vegas strip in Suge Knight 745 before he gets the respect he deserves. Pretty sick. But it's typical.
 
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So because a washed up dre hasnt produced his records mean he has no input on his career

Ok

About 2% of Kendricks success can be credited to Dre.

He made Section80 in 2011. With more or less the SAME producers he did GKMC and TPAB with. You'd sound better sayin Sounwave is responsible for his success than Dre.

But you didn't come here to put forth an intelligent argument.

It's OK bro.
 
Can we stop talking about best RAPPER and drake in the same sentence... Thank u.
 
If you are talking quality, talk quality.

Why are there references to these make believe “Culturally Transcending” Kendrick acts?

You are right about the 3 being at the fore front, and KRIT not being on the radar of casual fans.

But if we talking quality, lets talk quality.

You know the saying… CDs out, song for song

Drake
J. Cole
Kendrick
Big KRIT

From 2010 till now…. Kendrick isnt running circles around neither of the 3. Like we all know he is a better technical rapper… but overall quality package???

Cmon now
 
He makes great songs but he just isn't a GREAT rapper IMO.
 
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Its like yall are trying to degrade drakes music ability because of the content he chooses to rap about

Ok he makes catchy music but hes not considered one of the greats of this generation because of that?

Cmon yall gotta stop it

I'm not trying to degrade his music ability, I really enjoyed If You're Reading This...

But comparing the two is like comparing The Departed to a Disney film bro, they aren't in the same
Category.
 
Here's a question:

How does Drake put out better QUALITY music than Kendrick? Is it because the songs are catchy? Is it because the masses prefer Drake over Kendrick? I'm honestly asking because I can't honestly sit here, having listened to just about everything these two have put out over the years, and say Drake makes better quality music than Kendrick does. I mean, I can't even fathom the point to be honest.

The whole point of the write up (and OP correct me if I'm wrong) was to look at hip hop's past, present, and future. Simply put, when you take all of that into consideration and look at who perfectly embodies what the genre is about, Kendrick fits the mold to a T. I don't need to rehash it because it's all right there for you guys to sift thru and figure out for yourselves.

Nobody is saying Drake isn't great in his own right, but he doesn't represent the culture. There's a difference between representing it and simply being a part of it.
 
Part of being a great rapper is having diversity in your subject matter.... Drake doesn't have that, therefore he shouldn't be in the discussion.
 
what!?? a NTer with reason and not slurping hyperbole?

I'm shocked.

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Says the Jay slurper who has nothing but hyperbole comments. :lol:

name one.

i'll wait.

what i said are facts.

he did headline glastonbury and sell out the garden multiple times in minutes and has most #1 albums all-time for a solo artist

#justdafacts

i haven't come out and said "this album is the most important album in the history of black music!" like y'all
 
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We bringing up pac and big to make a case for drake [emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji]. U know what everyone is entitled their own opinion so no one is wrong at the end of the day.
 
If you are talking quality, talk quality.

Why are there references to these make believe “Culturally Transcending” Kendrick acts?

You are right about the 3 being at the fore front, and KRIT not being on the radar of casual fans.

But if we talking quality, lets talk quality.

You know the saying… CDs out, song for song

Drake
J. Cole
Kendrick
Big KRIT

From 2010 till now…. Kendrick isnt running circles around neither of the 3. Like we all know he is a better technical rapper… but overall quality package???

Cmon now

I went to prison 3 months before GKMC came out. We had no access to any video programming or music shows.

I read about Kendrick in The New Yorker, ESPN, EBONY, Time, and Rolling Stone. I didn't hear GKMC until late 2013 in my cell. I ain't been home a year yet, but even in prison its always somebody new comin in and they're the pipeline to the outside world, if you could see the diversity of the people praising his work, you could Prolly grasp the "culturally transcendent" nature of my argument.

I read an article about a host on MSNBC, I could look up his name but that's not important (nerdy white guy with glasses If that narrows it). I wasn't readin XXL and The Source. I'm readin **** like GQ, Newsweek, Entertainment, and Time. And I couldn't seem to escape Kendrick.

So I don't know their promotional rollout for the album. Didn't know what the videos looked like, and I didn't know the hypebeast opinion on his music. All I had was the hardened criminal reviews of the album.

Kendrick has 2 CLASSIC albums.
KRIT. Drake. Cole have ZERO.

As far as Drake goes, being GREAT at rapping doing make you a GREAT rapper.
same goes for Cole.
As dope as both of them are.

Drake in an absolutely AMAZING artist. I'm not taking anything away from him, he's GREAT. But I personally don't see him EVER being the Greatest rapper. Same goes for Cole.

Drake is gonna be the only one to push Kanye as far as being the Greatest hip hop ARTIST. He still got work to do, but thats a 2 man race as far as artistry goes.

But dare I say it. Kendrick has their neighborhood in his GPS.

We know Kanye will continually push the envelope. Drake may just be a 2 trick pony. I haven't really seen any growth in his craft in 6 years.
 
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Kendricks album was good but this is taking it too far smh and Kendrick has no classic albums please stop.. we throw around the term verrrry loosely.. he has great content but song making ability is very average
 
Kendricks album was good but this is taking it too far smh and Kendrick has no classic albums please stop.. we throw around the term verrrry loosely.. he has great content but song making ability is very average

So how many does Pac have?
G Rap?
Rakim?
Kane?
KRS?
 
Nimley is back on my good side , dude is dropping to much truth. Couldn't agree more with everything you've been saying in this thread.
 
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Yall claim they the greatest but they werent consistently "pushing the culture" like yall claim kendrick is

So how is drake not one of the greatest

PAC wasn't pushing the culture, really?

Drake's bars ain't that great and he isn't even aligned with the culture to be honest, so why is he being discussed?

Put it this way, if Pit bull and Florida had better bars would you put them in the same category as Kendrick, Cole or Krit?
 
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PAC wasn't pushing the culture, really?

Drake's bars ain't that great and he isn't even aligned with the culture to be honest, so why is he being discussed?

Put it this way, if Pit bull and Florida had better bars would you put them in the same category as Kendrick, Cole or Krit?
PAC wasn't pushing the culture, really?

Drake's bars ain't that great and he isn't even aligned with the culture to be honest, so why is he being discussed?

Not to mention as Nimley said, Drake has shown zero growth in 6 years.
 
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