Tidal Streaming!!

 

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rillo561 said:

So if you don't like tidal or see the need for it, you "hate" jay?

Interesting

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by saying you don't see the need for it, who are you talking for ? the general consumer/music fans or yourself ?

Magic1978 said:

 

rillo561 said:

So if you don't like tidal or see the need for it, you "hate" jay?

Interesting

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Do you see any topics across the internet on EFFN Vodka? How it's not anything new, and how they're enough Vodka companies?

Stuff I don't care about, I don't discuss or pay attention to it. It's not a coincidence. Dudes want Jay to fail at something, anything.

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Bruh why even say some **** like this?

 You know this isn't even close to being the same thing

Magic1978 said:

rillo561 said:

So if you don't like tidal or see the need for it, you "hate" jay?

Interesting

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Do you see any topics across the internet on EFFN Vodka? How it's not anything new, and how they're enough Vodka companies?

Stuff I don't care about, I don't discuss or pay attention to it. It's not a coincidence. Dudes want Jay to fail at something, anything.

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Lil scrappy like effen vodka tho

I saw that Scrappy piece

STR8DROP said:

Bruh why even say some **** like this?

 You know this isn't even close to being the same thing

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It's not?

So tell me...how is it different?

Vodka and flavored vodkas are different?

There aren't cheaper and better alternatives?

It's not being promoted by an artist?

We're comparing music to vodka? 

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We're comparing music to vodka? 

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Can't dispute what I said, huh

Nothing 50 has ever done has ever been original, from headphones to energy drinks to vodka to boxing promotion...guess what, no one cares.

If it fails, it fails. If it's successful, it's successful.

Does anyone break down their business models or marketing?

Some of you don't even realize why you feel the way you do, or either you're in denial.

50 and Jay both be doing their thing.


Can't knock 50 boxing thing because it takes time and luck to land that good fighter. You can't become Bob arum over night that geezer got decades in this ****

Because its jay simple as that. He's got hard core fans who always win in their eyes and hard core haters who critique everything he does and if it doesn't look like it's monumental they call it a fail. I'm in the middle I don't really care for any of his recent music but he's cemented in the game and makes a lot of power moves. Dudes like him and 50 showing these young dudes the blueprint no pun.

Folks taking this serious


Buy or not, move on. You can't be mad for people trying IMO.

Dude was on to something about dudes just wanting to see Tidal fail because its Jay. Hell Today Spotfy released some updates and new features, there's already several articles blaming Tidal for not having the same thing, the updates have been out a few hours

I jst want to know how many people were "rubbed The wrong way" When Jimmy Iovine & Dre forced beats headphones on to every celebrity walking, every music video, every athlete, All for a set of headphones that were TRASH compared to everything in it's price range. The whole beats campaign was predicated on celebrities and the music industry force feeding it down pop cultures throat, but i don't remember this amount of backlash ever coming for beats. I wonder why

^ Beats didn't hold a press conference trying to pander to the emotions of the buyer by having a pity party for highly successful artists. HUGE difference between the rollouts of Beats and Tidal. They aren't even comparable accept for "celebrity".

And that's not hate--that's just speaking on the reality of what happened.

superblyTRIFE said:

^ Beats didn't hold a press conference trying to pander to the emotions of the buyer by having a pity party for highly successful artists. HUGE difference between the rollouts of Beats and Tidal. They aren't even comparable accept for "celebrity".

And that's not hate--that's just speaking on the reality of what happened.

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How was it a pity party, your upset because artist decided to take ownership of the art they create? why do you have an issue with them wanting money for what they make?

nobody stood up there and said they couldn't feed their families, they converged together and made a boss move. The same boss moves that elderly white men make during all other business transactions except they usually take control of other peoples work.

It's almost like ya'll dudes are anti paying artist anything. as if they should be fine with giving away money to people who dont create content.

We know that Nike is selling us shoes that cost pennies to make and yet yearly they give us price increases and worse quality.
We know that Apple is basically giving a few updates and boosting the price of the phone every year.

Yet nobody is offended or asks questions when these billion dollar companies are asking everyday consumers to shell out more and more money at every single press conference they have. But because it's a celebrity attached to the company rather then a quiet businessman.....now it's how dare they ask for more money from us?

superblyTRIFE said:

^ Beats didn't hold a press conference trying to pander to the emotions of the buyer by having a pity party for highly successful artists. HUGE difference between the rollouts of Beats and Tidal. They aren't even comparable accept for "celebrity".

And that's not hate--that's just speaking on the reality of what happened.

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calling the press conference is a pity party but you not hating? so i guess the Yeezy fashion show was a pity party too? and every time celebrities (mostly black) come together to promote a product is a pity party?

Oh look...we keep insisting on bringing race into the equation. Yet I'm black. As are a lot of others who took issue with the way Tidal was presented to the masses at that first press conference. You're going to have to find another angle.

I can't understand why cats are so quick to label a differing opinion as "hate". I love Jay. I have since RD. I enjoy seeing him win. Yeah his music is meh now. Yeah I question his motives at times. But I love Jay and admire his business acumen and general life skills. I just happen to think this Tidal thing isn't all that it's being presented to be. *shrugs*

So while we're on the topic of Tidal, do we know yet the specific numbers that artists get from royalties compared to other streaming services? I think I may have missed it if that info is out there.

I don't have a problem with someone simply having a problem with Tidal as a product, if it isn't for you it isn't for you.

My post in this thread is directed at those people in here who seem to want it to fail because it "rubbed them the wrong way". There's plenty of products i don't use that doesn't mean that i will continue to talk down on the product or want to see it fail.

It's also intriguing to me that suddenly artist doing business the same way these corporations do business is hurting people's feelings. It's extremely interesting to me that ther's a huge backlash over a group of people wanting to monetize off of their own work, yet people have no problem paying money to other companies who do the same thing, to a MUCH LARGER extent.

Tidal at this point isn't better than spotify but I do get what you're saying. mental conditioning is real

@Magic1978  The size of the TAM for EFFN Vodka is not even close to that of a music service in the fastest growing industry in music, i didn't even know wtf EFFN vodka was before your post. 

This _ literally got some of the biggest names of rap and r&b to change their twitter avi's and tweet about how they're gonna change the music industry then followed it up with the music equivalent of Lebron's "Decision" in which these same multi millionaire artists complain about compensation in the music industry. And _'s really don't see how that can "rub people the wrong way"?

Are y'all seriously tryna downplay the power of PR right now?   

The CIO of Tidal even came out and was willing to admit they made mistakes PR wise and should have explained in full detail all their plans rather than have it in a separate event like they planned. But according to y'all _'s that's no big deal 

What's funny to me is how he got everybody going at Spotify and Youtube when we already know who most of that money goes to when these services cut checks.

"I’ve worked at the major labels, and I’ve worked at the indies, so I’ve seen both sides of the business," says Rich Bengloff, president of the American Association of Independent Music. "A lot of the time, money that is paid outside of the direct usage doesn’t end up getting shared."

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Let me ask you this, why isn't he going at the labels too then? Because he needs them ************* 

The "industry standard" royalty rate in this market is 70% with 60% going to the labels and 10% going to the artists. He claimed they're paying "75% royalty rate to all artists, writers, etc" but they got Vania Schlogel on record saying of that 75% to the "artists", 62.5% actually goes to the label and 12.5% goes to the artist. I commend them for breaking more bread to the artist but saying you paying 75% to the artist when only 12.5% is actually going to the artist makes **** sound a whole lot different. He knew very well what he was doing wording it like that tho. 

Even had the audacity to say they got 770k subs. Look at how he carefully worded the tweet tho, instead of saying we got 770k subs in a month, he says "we have 770k subs. we have been in business less than a month".  The WiMP service that was around before they merged with Tidal already had 500k subs at the end of 2014, so while he ain't lying they do have those subs and have only been called "Tidal" for 1 month, they didn't just get all of those subs. Again he knew what he was doing wording it like that.

#TidalFacts 

I love Jay as much as the next man but when it comes to the business **** he's just like these other corporate dudes, that's cool I respect it but I gotta call a spade a spade.

As far as what they're trying to do for the smaller artists I **** with it. I'm an artist myself (not music), this is literally how I eat, so the topic of fair compensation for artists is something I definitely feel strongly about. A good portion of my money each year goes to content creators, whether it's in the form of music albums, concert tickets/merch, books, films, or art in a variety of mediums.

The idea of selling straight to the consumer is also something I feel strongly about, especially for smaller/indie artists, the music industry needs something like this on a major scale. Idk if any of y'all follow Ryan Leslie's work or peeped the interview he did on Hot 97 a little while back but a lot of the stuff they're doing with the exclusive VIP concerts, fan calling, meet and greets etc is stuff he's been doing. Beats was looking at acquiring TopSpin to do something similar last year I'm not sure what come of that tho.

They actually have some great ideas with Tidal X (exclusive content, connecting straight to the fans), Tidal Rising (helping promote indie artists via showcases, etc.), and Tidal Discovery (their version of Soundcloud/BandCamp for up and coming artists) but for whatever reason they decided to put those on the back burner. All of this **** I found out on my own, something the average consumer isn't going to do. Instead they were banking on star power and trying to finesse us with lossless music. That _ should fire the whole Tidal PR team   

tyisny said:

I don't have a problem with someone simply having a problem with Tidal as a product, if it isn't for you it isn't for you.

My post in this thread is directed at those people in here who seem to want it to fail because it "rubbed them the wrong way". There's plenty of products i don't use that doesn't mean that i will continue to talk down on the product or want to see it fail.

It's also intriguing to me that suddenly artist doing business the same way these corporations do business is hurting people's feelings. It's extremely interesting to me that ther's a huge backlash over a group of people wanting to monetize off of their own work, yet people have no problem paying money to other companies who do the same thing, to a MUCH LARGER extent.

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Personally, I don't want to see Tidal fail.  But yes, the rollout was pretentious as hell to me.  You see, you can  have BOTH of the aforementioned viewpoints.  It isn't always one or the other, stan or hater.

So again I ask, can someone break down for me the difference in royalties between Tidal and other streaming services?  Or are folks just taking Jay's word for it, as if he isn't a salesman?  

I broke it down in the post directly above yours but the industry standard is 70%, 60 to the labels and 10 to the artist.

Tidal is giving 75%, 62.5 to the labels and 12.5 to the artist. So it is better but it's not "75% to the artist" better like he claimed in his tweet   

STR8DROP said:

 
I broke it down in the post directly above yours but the industry standard is 70%, 60 to the labels and 10 to the artist.

Tidal is giving 75%, 62.5 to the labels and 12.5 to the artist. So it is better but it's not "75% to the artist" better like he claimed in his tweet 

 

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Yeah I was just about to edit my post after I saw yours.  I looked it up and saw the same blurb from Schlogel.  

So they're paying out 2.5% more.  And this is what everyone is excited about?  

Dudes really can't see the salesman/hustler aspect to the way this was presented?   

If I decided to pay for a music streaming site id rather line a black man pocket who invested in it than some unknown white man. Jay puts money in the community so I can't hate on this venture if his product is comparable to his competitors.


Don't care about a break down only being 2.5% more...But it's still more even though it's a small amount. As of now tidal is still behind content wise but maybe they'll get it together as time moves along. It's still early in the process for them


This is just an average black man opinion. I'm supporting my own unless they're a proven buck dancer or a scam artist.

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He should rebrand Rocawear though. Jay bought stock in Tidal because he knows streaming is the new frontier... He always sits back, and waits to hop on a fad or trend, as far as outside ventures. It's not even about the music, which pisses me and others off. He should just do silent investments. Brooklyn Nets owner used him as a mascot, then Jay jumps ship. He just needs to be real and upfront with his approach.

Mr Marcus said:

If I decided to pay for a music streaming site id rather line a black man pocket who invested in it than some unknown white man. Jay puts money in the community so I can't hate on this venture if his product is comparable to his competitors.


Don't care about a break down only being 2.5% more...But it's still more even though it's a small amount. As of now tidal is still behind content wise but maybe they'll get it together as time moves along. It's still early in the process for them


This is just an average black man opinion. I'm supporting my own unless they're a proven buck dancer or a scam artist.

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Jay been putting money in the White Man's pocket for years himself though. Live Nation? Reebok? He should've banded together with Black music heavyweights years ago. Now, the sudden change? Save it.

yall dont notice the same 3 people defending jay nonstop? the SAME 3 people? on this page alone we have that beats "FORCED" artists to wear their stuff, that nobody questions apple when they make their yearly updates to the iphone and call it something new, and that when black celebs get together...its a pity party. like i said 1 or 2 pages ago. dead the argument. its getting dumber and dumber in here by the post. you cant win an argument with a fool.

facts are frowned upon in here. just say jay is the goat and whatever he touches turns gold. let it go. by the way.... jimmy iovine has definitely forced his fair share of ish on people...but headphones isnt one of em

Finessence said:

Mr Marcus said:

If I decided to pay for a music streaming site id rather line a black man pocket who invested in it than some unknown white man. Jay puts money in the community so I can't hate on this venture if his product is comparable to his competitors.


Don't care about a break down only being 2.5% more...But it's still more even though it's a small amount. As of now tidal is still behind content wise but maybe they'll get it together as time moves along. It's still early in the process for them


This is just an average black man opinion. I'm supporting my own unless they're a proven buck dancer or a scam artist.

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Jay been putting money in the White Man's pocket for years himself though. Live Nation? Reebok? He should've banded together with Black music heavyweights years ago. Now, the sudden change? Save it.

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Jay put money in the community. Like I said I have no interest in any music subscription but at the same time I'm not going outta my way to discredit this man like some of yall are doing. Where's this outrage for the other services negros in 2015 confuse me