MARVEL NETFLIX Thread * RIP STAN LEE - Jessica Jones = Final Season

[kingkoopa]

 all these apologist.

Show is trash.

 

[ksteezy]

Bros I'm struggling....I'm at episode 6, all the other shows I could watch at work through the night, this one is putting me to sleep every night, I thought I had watched episode 5 entirely, but then I saw Rosario just chilling with Danny, what I missed!? How or when did they introduced her?

Also that scene by the pier with Danny and kung fu chick I can't even remember her name, was cringe worthy, "do you have someone to count on?" Ugh...

 

[IATT]

also pretty funny how dude initially came in like a boss and ole girl couldn't even touch him..

then he's having legit fits and needed the fist against folks he probably shouldn't have

 

[shogun]

Yeah, he already has the title and position of iron first but all he knew how to do was punch something really hard. He can't even control his anger. Finishing up episode 12 now but it'd be funny if the season finale showed that a few thousand hand goons entered k'un lun because the iron fist wasn't doing his job and guarding the entrance. How long has he been in NY, a few weeks? Close to a month?

 

[KingParappa]

I mean can he even go back to K'un Lun?

 

[IATT]

Yeah, he already has the title and position of iron first but all he knew how to do was punch something really hard. He can't even control his anger. Finishing up episode 12 now but it'd be funny if the season finale showed that a few thousand hand goons entered k'un lun because the iron fist wasn't doing his job and guarding the entrance. How long has he been in NY, a few weeks? Close to a month?

but the first real impression we get of dude is he's a master of multiple forms of martial arts.. that he had to battle so super duper hard task to become IR that no one else could handle

then when he first met up with colleen, she couldn't even hit dude.. just made some of the fight scenes seem odd.. and then you think back to DD, you really don't get it

 

[everysingletime]

also pretty funny how dude initially came in like a boss and ole girl couldn't even touch him..

then he's having legit fits and needed the fist against folks he probably shouldn't have

The inconsistencies drive me wild the more I think about it. I might have to drop it lower than my initial 7.5/10 rating

Some of the stuff we've been discussing would be equal to seeing LC bulletproof one scene and then not bulletproof the next for plot convenience sake.

 

[Nawzlew]

Bros I'm struggling....I'm at episode 6, all the other shows I could watch at work through the night, this one is putting me to sleep every night, I thought I had watched episode 5 entirely, but then I saw Rosario just chilling with Danny, what I missed!? How or when did they introduced her?

Also that scene by the pier with Danny and kung fu chick I can't even remember her name, was cringe worthy, "do you have someone to count on?" Ugh...

she was taking classes with colleen

Just found out that The Defenders is going to be 8 episodes....Should have made IF and LC shorter and made The Defenders longer.

shoulda axed IF and just introduced him in the Defenders.

smh. **** was suppose to get me more hyped about Defenders.

 

[j2legend]

also pretty funny how dude initially came in like a boss and ole girl couldn't even touch him..

then he's having legit fits and needed the fist against folks he probably shouldn't have

Agreed. Some people say it's a casting issue, but I think its the writing. Also, the budget and time to train these actors weren't up to par. I know Finn Jones isn't Donnie Yen caliber, but in order to do the Iron Fist character justice, the training required to be in that character needs A LOT of work and gym time. Finn Jones literally looked like his famished and weak Loras Tyrell character fresh out of the dungeon.

Again, Iron Fist is the BEST and most disciplined martial artist in the MCU, but they wrote him to be some noob who not only didn't finish his training, but isn't in the right mindset half the time to summon the fist when Orsen Randall (if it's him in Bakuto's video) can light up both fists and merc everyone while keeping the fist lit. On top of that, the fight choreography failed to make it look authentic and I couldn't buy into the character.

 

[IATT]

I mean I could understand him getting adjusted to having the IR powers.. so only using the singular fist and not being able to maintain it for long periods, I could get that

but dude is already supposed to be this master martial artists in multiple fighting styles

 

[everysingletime]

I didn't mind them going the Kung fu master in training route

But a training Kung fu master should be more than enough for some dudes one on one. Like when Colleen took down one henchman in two hits flat outside the elevator in the hospital. That's how IF should've been able to depose of some dudes.

A guy like Harold, or a guy like the dude who was guarding the chemist in the truck, Danny should've been able to put down in his sleep. If you want to make some fights with some inferior opponents dramatic, gotta think of some other plot device device or twist rather than just nerf Danny for a scene or two. It would've been infinitely better for them to use a trope, like maybe make Harold hold Joy at gunpoint, for example, to manufacture the dramatic moment.

 

[Mark Antony]

nah, I came in this with an open-mind and really got my interest in the first few episode but it went downhill from there

Finns acting just didn't work, his line delivery was almost the same throughout and it didn't help that they made the character so whiny

fighting definitely got better but it was still not very good for the most part

some of the liberties they took on this show felt very Fox/Singer-ish,

-we want to see KunLun, they show no signs of it
-we want kungfu action with ninjas and we get corporate hand instead
-we want more IronFist the Immortal Weapon and we see Danny being Stark in IM3
-we want to see the costume and we get some janky-a** chest tatoo (and they could learn from WBTV and get someone who is actually ripped )

I agree.

Can't see these two becoming pals

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I see this show is pretty split here, but good to see no one crying and getting in their feelings.

 

[tay1]

it wasn't that clear, he didn't even know he could heal with his powers so it's not like he knew it was an ability that he just hasn't learned, he kept bragging about being the IF and the sworn enemy of the hand and how he'd kill them all and he's the immortal weapon and he can do what he wants, blah blah blah...

plus they sure made him capable enough practically beating anyone and everyone they put in front of him but dude doesn't even know how to recharge his chi

like I'd understand if he was actually badly beaten like when DD was on his deathbed or LC stopped healing and the torpedo bullet was killing him, IF wasn't really in that big of a danger and him learning his training isn't complete was brushed off quickly

I'd understand if he was so good but then badly beaten (not tricked or deceived) then has to learn that he is still a novice then that would work, but nope, despite how crappy he looks fighting he was still OP for the most part

if they want to make him a novice and still has to learn something, then show that, not brag that he is the Iron Fist and he was already put on the gates as the protector of KunLun

I mean you're going to put your least experienced to guard the gate because his hand glowed? why not put 5-10 warriors at the gate til Danny learns everything?

I dont see how his strength correlates to him not knowing how to utilize his chi in certain ways. The fact that he doesn't show he still has much to learn. I thought they showed that there's still room for him to grow as the IF. He has the strength, despite the early horrible choreography, however he still has to learn certain ways of using his chi and how to better manage his temper.

I'm not denying this show has issues by the way. To people who think that for some reason.

 

[IATT]

I completely get him not knowing  much about his IF powers.. could just chalk that up to him just having gotten those powers

but dude talks a ton about all the training he has done since he was found as a child.. then he talks about the amount of fights/challenges he has had.. and obviously whatever he went through to actually become the IR (which however many others couldn't cut it)

so dude should be that master already.. Harold on the other hand had some boxing training and never got around to incorporating weapons

then you have the whole 'child touched by fire' prophecy

 

[rfx45]

His strength correlates with his ability and ability correlates with his chi management, it's the source of his damn power for gods sake.

So pretty much all they thought him is channel your chi to your fist and hit stuff with it? "Now that you have mastered glowing fist, go to the gate and protect us from all evildoers trying to enter"?

They heavily implied him being a master, he bragged about it every chance he got. The writers and director made him to look as such and when he found out he could learn more stuff, they put no weight on it. Like he didn't seek to learn more stuff, he was more worried about whining and they didn't even get back to it until the end when he said he has to go back to KunLun.

And again despite that, it really didn't hinder him from anything he needed to accomplish so through the whole show, despite not being a master of all chi-related stuff, there was not much importance put to it because he didn't need it past saving Colleen.

If they at least dedicated an episode or two how he feels he is actually useless and there's more he could learn, then it would have shown more growth and development but he was a whiny child from beginning to end. He was as strong and "centered" in the end as he was in the beginning it seems like. He didn't find some newfound strength by solving his parents death, dude was just back to the way he was as he left KunLun.

And again, it's hard to believe that he isn't top class to be promoted as IF and be sent to protect the whole village/dimension if he had so much more to learn.

 

[IATT]

correct me if I'm wrong..

but even without the IF, dude should be a better fighter than daredevil.. but then daredevil has his enhanced senses

 

[Master Zik]

nah, I came in this with an open-mind and really got my interest in the first few episode but it went downhill from there

Finns acting just didn't work, his line delivery was almost the same throughout and it didn't help that they made the character so whiny

fighting definitely got better but it was still not very good for the most part

some of the liberties they took on this show felt very Fox/Singer-ish,

-we want to see KunLun, they show no signs of it
-we want kungfu action with ninjas and we get corporate hand instead
-we want more IronFist the Immortal Weapon and we see Danny being Stark in IM3
-we want to see the costume and we get some janky-a** chest tatoo (and they could learn from WBTV and get someone who is actually ripped )

I get not feeling Finn. I'm fine with him but if you not you just not.

If this was Shang-Chi I would get the want of more action but it's not. Its Iron Fist, the corporate world comes with dude being a billionaire. Its baked in from his origins. Plus any kung fu action with him are with other warriors from the 7 heavenly cities not ninjas. They made that whole sworn enemy of the Hand **** up just cuz Netflix wanted this to be a tighter shared universe. Now maybe it's not a story everyone would love but you can't be surprised or disappointed when that gets focus.

I honestly didn't know "we" wanted to see K'un L'un. I know what that place looks like. Nothing special. At best it would be depicted like it's still stuck in the past. So the entire look would be like a period piece.

The costume complaint is straight bull ****. DD didn't put on his costume until the end of s1 and it didn't look good in the face. LC doesn't even do his costume, they made his character in to the average Joe fight in w/e attire. IF does not have some iconic must see costume. Dude is Street Fighter/Mortal Kombat adjacent at best.

What gets me is his costume is gonna end up looking no better than what the 1940s IF had on in that old video.

 

[rfx45]

he should be especially the Netflix Daredevil

the shows version just seems so much more vulnerable than usual and fighting-wise, Danny should have the edge

 

[tay1]

I completely get him not knowing  much about his IF powers.. could just chalk that up to him just having gotten those powers

but dude talks a ton about all the training he has done since he was found as a child.. then he talks about the amount of fights/challenges he has had.. and obviously whatever he went through to actually become the IR (which however many others couldn't cut it)

so dude should be that master already.. Harold on the other hand had some boxing training and never got around to incorporating weapons :x

then you have the whole 'child touched by fire' prophecy

His strength correlates with his ability and ability correlates with his chi management, it's the source of his damn power for gods sake.

So pretty much all they thought him is channel your chi to your fist and hit stuff with it? "Now that you have mastered glowing fist, go to the gate and protect us from all evildoers trying to enter"?

They heavily implied him being a master, he bragged about it every chance he got. The writers and director made him to look as such and when he found out he could learn more stuff, they put no weight on it. Like he didn't seek to learn more stuff, he was more worried about whining and they didn't even get back to it until the end when he said he has to go back to KunLun.

And again despite that, it really didn't hinder him from anything he needed to accomplish so through the whole show, despite not being a master of all chi-related stuff, there was not much importance put to it because he didn't need it past saving Colleen.

If they at least dedicated an episode or two how he feels he is actually useless and there's more he could learn, then it would have shown more growth and development but he was a whiny child from beginning to end. He was as strong and "centered" in the end as he was in the beginning it seems like. He didn't find some newfound strength by solving his parents death, dude was just back to the way he was as he left KunLun.

And again, it's hard to believe that he isn't top class to be promoted as IF and be sent to protect the whole village/dimension if he had so much more to learn.

Just because you finishes training doesn't mean you know everything about your abilities. You can graduate college, earn a masters, phd, and still have much to learn

And as far as him being right in the same place as he lefr, Claire made that point, and now he has to figure out what to do with his life now.

 

[Mark Antony]

I get dude isn't a super experience IF as yet, but like he said "you're not chosen, you earn it" so I imagine he's done a **** ton and has a certain level of mastery to even beat out the other kunlun students. Dude doesn't seem like it.

 

[rfx45]

nah, I came in this with an open-mind and really got my interest in the first few episode but it went downhill from there

Finns acting just didn't work, his line delivery was almost the same throughout and it didn't help that they made the character so whiny

fighting definitely got better but it was still not very good for the most part

some of the liberties they took on this show felt very Fox/Singer-ish,

-we want to see KunLun, they show no signs of it
-we want kungfu action with ninjas and we get corporate hand instead
-we want more IronFist the Immortal Weapon and we see Danny being Stark in IM3
-we want to see the costume and we get some janky-a** chest tatoo (and they could learn from WBTV and get someone who is actually ripped )

I get not feeling Finn. I'm fine with him but if you not you just not.

If this was Shang-Chi I would get the want of more action but it's not. Its Iron Fist, the corporate world comes with dude being a billionaire. Its baked in from his origins. Plus any kung fu action with him are with other warriors from the 7 heavenly cities not ninjas. They mad that whole sworn enemy of the Hand **** up just cuz Netflix wanted this to Be a tighter shared universe. Now maybe it's not a story everyone would love but you can't be surprised or disappointed when that gets focus.

I honestly didn't know "we" as Ted to see K'un L'un. I know what that place looks like. Nothing special. At best it would be depicted like it's still stuck in the past. So the entire look would be like a period piece.

The costume complaint is straight bull ****. DD didn't put on his costume until the end of s1 and it didn't look good in the face. LC doesn't even do his costume, they made his character in to the average Joe fight in w/e attire. IF does not have some iconic must see costume. Dude is Street Fighter/Mortal Kombat adjacent at best.

What gets me is his costume is gonna end up looking no better than what the 1940s IF had on in that old video.

good, that's the costume everyone wants to see, in any costume

hell he could have had the same black bandana DD had in S1 and speaking of that...

they gave DD a costume and the whole all black hooded look was a nod to the books and in the end we see him in actual costume

with Luke we got to see a classic nod to his gear with the tiara and they somewhat gave him his classic look with the regular yellow tee which he rocks with

but you focused on what we wanted to see and that was a suggestion, there are far more complaints about the show besides those points

and you can't be giving the excuse that just cuz the village is going to look old school so they didn't give us that and that action is limited to heavenly cities so they didn't use ninjas in the show, come on now

if you're going to give those type of reasons or pass to this show as "writers decided to do this" then you can do that to any movies/shows other don't like

you just can't say "if this was so and so then there's be more action" like IF isn't tied to kungfu and action and why we get no ninjas going against him

and yes why can't I be disappointed with the parts they chose to focus on? other studios doesn't get that benefit of a doubt, you can't tell me that we can't be mad because Fox decided to focus on Mystique as a mutant savior just because it isn't a story we love or expected

 

[rfx45]

I get dude isn't a super experience IF as yet, but like he said "you're not chosen, you earn it" so I imagine he's done a **** ton and has a certain level of mastery to even beat out the other kunlun students. Dude doesn't seem like it.

I think that is also another point, he also constantly bragged that he earned his skills and that he trained hard for it, for years. The story would have made more sense if they made it seem like he was an outsider chosen to save them and given the IF power despite not being the best.

 

[IATT]

I get dude isn't a super experience IF as yet, but like he said "you're not chosen, you earn it" so I imagine he's done a **** ton and has a certain level of mastery to even beat out the other kunlun students. Dude doesn't seem like it.

everything said in the show, makes it seem like dude had to go through a shhh ton to get to the point to earn the ability to take the challenge or whatever for the IF.. which he passed

we shouldn't be questioning dudes fighting ability without the IF.. for everything in the show, dude has come out on top of every challenge he faced which should be some pretty step challenges

 

[IATT]

I think that is also another point, he also constantly bragged that he earned his skills and that he trained hard for it, for years. The story would have made more sense if they made it seem like he was an outsider chosen to save them and given the IF power despite not being the best.

only way the story makes sense to me, is if they kinda 'kung fu panda'-ed it.. where the IF is chosen just based solely upon a prophecy.. and dude was still in the process of learning everything and no where near a true master of anything

but that would be super duper weak

 

[rfx45]

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

nah, I came in this with an open-mind and really got my interest in the first few episode but it went downhill from there

Finns acting just didn't work, his line delivery was almost the same throughout and it didn't help that they made the character so whiny

fighting definitely got better but it was still not very good for the most part

some of the liberties they took on this show felt very Fox/Singer-ish,

-we want to see KunLun, they show no signs of it
-we want kungfu action with ninjas and we get corporate hand instead
-we want more IronFist the Immortal Weapon and we see Danny being Stark in IM3
-we want to see the costume and we get some janky-a** chest tatoo (and they could learn from WBTV and get someone who is actually ripped )

I get not feeling Finn. I'm fine with him but if you not you just not.

If this was Shang-Chi I would get the want of more action but it's not. Its Iron Fist, the corporate world comes with dude being a billionaire. Its baked in from his origins. Plus any kung fu action with him are with other warriors from the 7 heavenly cities not ninjas. They mad that whole sworn enemy of the Hand **** up just cuz Netflix wanted this to Be a tighter shared universe. Now maybe it's not a story everyone would love but you can't be surprised or disappointed when that gets focus.

I honestly didn't know "we" as Ted to see K'un L'un. I know what that place looks like. Nothing special. At best it would be depicted like it's still stuck in the past. So the entire look would be like a period piece.

The costume complaint is straight bull ****. DD didn't put on his costume until the end of s1 and it didn't look good in the face. LC doesn't even do his costume, they made his character in to the average Joe fight in w/e attire. IF does not have some iconic must see costume. Dude is Street Fighter/Mortal Kombat adjacent at best.

What gets me is his costume is gonna end up looking no better than what the 1940s IF had on in that old video.

good, that's the costume everyone wants to see, in any costume

hell he could have had the same black bandana DD had in S1 and speaking of that...

they gave DD a costume and the whole all black hooded look was a nod to the books and in the end we see him in actual costume

with Luke we got to see a classic nod to his gear with the tiara and they somewhat gave him his classic look with the regular yellow tee which he rocks with

but you focused on what we wanted to see and that was a suggestion, there are far more complaints about the show besides those points

and you can't be giving the excuse that just cuz the village is going to look old school so they didn't give us that and that action is limited to heavenly cities so they didn't use ninjas in the show, come on now

if you're going to give those type of reasons or pass to this show as "writers decided to do this" then you can do that to any movies/shows other don't like

you just can't say "if this was so and so then there's be more action" like IF isn't tied to kungfu and action and why we get no ninjas going against him

and yes why can't I be disappointed with the parts they chose to focus on? other studios doesn't get that benefit of a doubt, you can't tell me that we can't be mad because Fox decided to focus on Mystique as a mutant savior just because it isn't a story we love or expected

oh damn, didn't even know I replied to zik... I raise the white flag... I ain't got the energy for the upcoming dissertation