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Its Kevin Love's non shooting shoulder, I don't know how it will affect him

I still wouldnt want to chance it, but I dont have the medical resources to really judge anything. I was thinking about FA's this afternoon and JJ. Barea came to mind and even Monta Ellis. But the issue with Monta is that he's probably going to want more than Danny Green does, but I think he would fit in great there. He's already flourishing in a similar styled offense and there would be even more lane space in San Antonio. That would be great man.

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post #182 of 345

I've read murmurs that Splitter could be on the trading blocks in order to accomodate a Gasol or a LA.  What was his deal? 22m or something?

 

When Splitter was healthy he was such an integral part of our inside game.  The High Lows with Timmy/Diaw and his effort and hustle is an intangible asset.  

 

I haven't watched LA play throughout the season, although I did take note of his notable offensive power - not so much his defense?  I think he'll move away from Portland, he's 30 and not getting any younger.  I feel Parker/Kawhi/Timmy/Diaw is more attractive than Lillard and co.  I've read reports that his mother is sick and wants to relocate to Texas to be by her side.

 

I think Timmy will do another season or 2 - he's always maintained that once he isn't as effective he'll hang up his boots.  The man's still a top 5 PF in the league today at 39.  He's really really ageless.  He's that kind of dude you look up to and he's a safety net.  He's going to come back!

 

Ginobili is another story.  I get the vibe he's still got something to prove and still wants to compete.  I think he'll be a priority to sign if he does decide to come back and RC et al agree on a salary.  

 

I hope we resign DG.  He's such a great defender and a formidable duo with Kawhi.  His greatness weakness is being forced to dribble and lots of teams have exploited that.  You can argue that DG won't be the same outside of the San Antonio system?  I think he's a priority and an integral part.  I hope we can agree on deal with him.

 

Bellineli, Joseph are also question marks.  If you're San Antonio you want Joseph as a back-up PG, if you're Joseph you begin to wonder whether or not you'll crack the no. 2 spot behind TP9. Patty Mills is such a spark off the bench, instant offense, but Joseph is more steady.  Again I don't know what will happen there.  Not too sure about Bellineli.  He's a defensive liability but an uncanny shooter, AMAZING head fake (amongst the best i've seen) and can shoot of the dribble (unlike DG).  If we can offer him a small salary, why not resign?

 

I guess the season is long.. 82 games plus the playoffs.  You need guys who fit the system and will grind out wins.  

 

We'll still be contenders next season and it's an exciting time for the Spurs to rejuvenate and re-tool as Pop says.  The last 3 season have been a grind.  Let's get some rest and come up sharper, injury-free and re-motivated.

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Splitter being hurt this year really hurt us, and I will admit I turned on him really fast because of it. I've always been a proponent of us getting another big, and Splitter was filling the spot nicely last year, loved how he finished around the rim, never tried to go into guys cause he knew he wasnt athletic enough for that, used the rim as a shield and had a bunch of up and unders. You could tell he jus didnt have it this year, and Baynes unraveled as well.

 

The PG situation is gonna be weird for sure, both of those guys could be the #2 guy, and while Joseph played well for us especially when Patty was out, after his showing in the playoffs thats Pattys spot to keep.

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Fifty pounds of scrap aluminum only cost Richard Ramirez five dollars. It has since turned his house on the South Side of San Antonio into a local landmark.

Ramirez can’t remember exactly when – sometime between 1999 and 2003, he says – that he ran into someone who had a bunch of scrap metal in the flatbed of his truck. They were two-foot-tall metal letters, taken from the signage of a closed-down store. While the man valued his metal at $1 per letter, Ramirez saw inspiration to create a “SPURS” sign for the front of his house.

There wasn’t a letter P, so Ramirez took an extra R, cut off a leg and had himself “SPURS.”

Now, hundreds of fans stop by Pendleton Street to take pictures at every playoff run. A local rapper has shot a music video at the house. A local artist has drawn a painting of the place. And Ramirez is known as “The guy with the Spurs house.”

“Best purchase I ever made,” Ramirez said. “I wanted to show my appreciation for the team and share my pride with everybody. And it’s just brought me all kinds of fun.”

Many San Antonians decorate their houses with Spurs flags and signs, especially once the playoffs begin. Ramirez’s metal Spurs sign may be the city’s most recognized front-gate accessory.

The sign stays up year-round. At Halloween, castle walls surround the sign for trick-or-treaters. At Christmas, the sign gets lights. And when the playoffs get going, flags and banners line the house’s fence as well.

A few years ago, when the Spurs were trailing in a series, Ramirez added a sign that said, “Honk If You Believe.” He hasn’t put the sign back up in years, not that it has stopped fans from honking.

“Police officers will come by to ask me what the score is,” Ramirez said. “Strangers have driven by and stopped to watch the game with us.”

Ramirez, 48, has lived in the house for his entire life. He is there now with his wife, Adriana, and their two children. He doesn’t remember exactly when he put up the sign, but knows it was sometime between the Spurs’ first championship in 1999 and their second title in 2003. Those are the dates he uses to mark time, because he was in his front yard for all the clinching moments.

“The first championship is still my favorite,” he said. “I’ve loved this team ever since I went to my first game at HemisFair Arena when I was 8, and they were still in the ABA. We’ve watched them the whole time. I just remember when they won, I hugged my best friend, and we were grown men in tears.”

Ramirez watches every game in his yard, a couple of feet away from the sign. Back-to-back games get tough on him, since he tries to throw a barbecue for every tip-off. Games also can be tough on anyone watching the game with Ramirez, since he’s a man of superstition.

In the 2007 playoffs, Ramirez’ ritual was to watch every game outdoors and shirtless, with his buddy Paul on his left, his friend “Skittles” on the right and his Spurs hat hanging off the TV.

“We won the title that year, so it worked” he said.

Inside, the house is filled with Spurs bottles, cereal boxes and other memorabilia. Ramirez’s prized possession is a game-worn jersey of his favorite Spur of all-time, Sean Elliott.

A former background vocalist for Tejano singer Eddie Gonzalez, health issues have kept Ramirez at home for the past few years.

But it hasn’t stopped him from being on his front lawn for every game. Ramirez jokes that he can’t go to the AT&T Center for a game, because if he wasn’t at home when the Spurs were playing, his neighbors would be worried.

“He has rough days sometimes,” said his wife, Adriana. “During games though, he comes to life. This is his house, and he made it the Spurs House.”



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post #185 of 345

Bit of a good read here: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2459033-signing-lamarcus-aldridge-would-keep-san-antonio-spurs-dynasty-going

 

What are thoughts on Kawhi accepting a lower salary? He definitely deserves the max - but as you know it's no secret that players have sacrificed their salary in order to bring back key parts of the team.  

 

We'd need to bring back Green, Bellienli, Joseph, Ginobili (?) and Duncan.  

 

The thought of LA or Gasol is difficult and i'm in favour of keeping Splitter.

post #186 of 345
The Spurs shouldn't bring Manu and Green back

Kawhi shouldn't take a pay cut

Duncan should be the one taking pay cut

Marco and Cory can come back on reasonable deals
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post #187 of 345

Danny Green is an excellent defender who can lock up most PG/SG's.  I think that alone is worth him signing on again.

 

Manu is debatable - numbers are down.  But he has an xfactor.  Pay cut.

 

 

Starters:

Duncan?

Splitter

Green?

Leonard

Parker

 

Bench

Ginobili?

Diaw

Bonner?

Baynes

Mills

Joseph?

Ayers

Anderson

 

Our 2nd unit has no leader without Ginobili..

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Manu should come back on a 1 year 3M deal. His production is down but I agree he's been the bench constant. He and Patty Mills moreso Patty can share the load going forward.

 

I have no doubts that Duncan will also take a paycut, I'm thinking 1 year 5M for him.

 

Kawhi should take the max or something really really close to it, at this juncture he shouldnt be the one looking to take less money, in a time of rising salary cap and guys who have already had their big pay day. We're prepared to accept that fact and give him the money.

 

Bonner can go, but everyone else needs to come back.

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post #189 of 345
Yall are being way too sentimental laugh.gif

The Spurs roster needs a major revamping

Manu and Green should go for different reasons

Manu is way past his prime and over priced even he goes down to 3

Green will be super over priced in this market. Offensively he's a good shooter but he cannot create or score off the dribble Hes a good defender mainly against SFs and some SGs.....what good point guards did he lock up?

The Spurs need to start looking for the undervalued players like the Demarre Carroll's or Speights of the NBA not overpay our role players because of sentiment
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3M for Manu is hardly an overpay, hes still a high level passer and the offense is predicated on ball movement. I think Green will chase the money though, and I wouldnt blame him. He's going to see 10Ms on the open market and if he can get it then more power to him.

 

You know who I would really want if we can get him? Monta Ellis, but I know thats a pipe dream and he's going to chase the money.

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post #191 of 345

Green locked up CP3 fairly well, albeit his offense fell through.

 

I just think at the right price we should resign him.  Can't blame him for chasing money, but his skillset works well in the system.  Rumour's were going around Pop told him he wasn't part of his plans at which he denied this through his twitter account.

 

I get your point re. being all sentimental, but Manu is critical to the 2nd unit and a fierce competitor.  He's a streaky shooter, pinpoint passer and just has that uncanny nature to his game (that sometimes is frustrating).  But if he were to come back on a reduced salary, you'd be hard pressed to pass up a player of his quality.  

 

With the cap increasing in the coming years, surely we can go after bigger names when we have the space?  Right now it could be a short-term strategy around Timmy and Manu/Leonard. 

 

Latest rumours i've heard stipulate that DIaw/Mills are candidates to be offloaded to make way for LA/Gasol/Millsap.  I'm sure you're all against this.  Diaw = IQ, Mills = instant offense. 

 

Let's keep this going fellas - i'm always keen to chat about The Spurs.  Even if we don't agree, I ain't got nothing but love for Spurs supporters.

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I would be angry if Mills and Diaw leave, even if came with the addition of LMA/Gasol (I want no parts of Millsap) for exactly the reasons you listed. Both of those guys are must keeps to me, besides Tim Duncan, they were the two best players for the Spurs in the post season. 

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3M for Manu is hardly an overpay, hes still a high level passer and the offense is predicated on ball movement. I think Green will chase the money though, and I wouldnt blame him. He's going to see 10Ms on the open market and if he can get it then more power to him.

You know who I would really want if we can get him? Monta Ellis, but I know thats a pipe dream and he's going to chase the money.

Ewww i cant see popovich getting along with monta
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3M for Manu is hardly an overpay, hes still a high level passer and the offense is predicated on ball movement. I think Green will chase the money though, and I wouldnt blame him. He's going to see 10Ms on the open market and if he can get it then more power to him.

You know who I would really want if we can get him? Monta Ellis, but I know thats a pipe dream and he's going to chase the money.

Ewww i cant see popovich getting along with monta

Eh IDK. I've watched enough of the Mavs these last couple of years to see a new coachable Monta Ellis. Will he totally buy in to the Pop system at first, the yanking of guys at the first boneheaded play they make which Monta is good for a couple? Probably not, but if he had half a season with it and us, then he would be fine.

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post #195 of 345

Only person that should be let go is Bonner, defensive liability

 

I honestly don't see Manu leaving anywhere.

 

I would like to keep Danny, but dude is easily replaceable, so no big deal if he walks.

 

Diaw and Mills I hope resign, too important to the bench

 

 

If i'm the Spurs i'm targeting LMA, possibly Brook Lopez (just have to stay healthy), i'd even try my luck at Dragic, (Tony is slowing down and I think Dragic can flow in pop system)

 

I would say Marc Gasol, but Gasol already expressed he loved Memphis and see it less likely he will go anywhere.

 

Khris Middleton would also be a good pick up, but I doubt he sign with us.

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Tony Parker needs to pick up the slack.  His mindset is definitely there, but his body isn't quite on the same level (injuries = fatigue).

 

Bonner is loyal, i'm not too fussed.  Great 3pt shooter, plays Z-bo pretty well.. wouldn't be surprised if resigned.

 

Monta Ellis is a great 1-on-1 player, super athletic, gets to the hole when he wants.  Not too sure if he'd fit in the system or what his attitude is towards the 'team' mantra SAS predicates. 

 

Haven't heard of any new rumours so far..

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Please Manu don't come back
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http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2015/05/15/2014-15-season-review-manu-ginobili/#30048101=0
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Manu Ginobili
SG (6-6, 210), 13th season

2013-14: 22.8 mpg, 12.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.0 spg, 46.9 FG%, 20.0 PER, plus 12.9 net rating
2014-15: 22.7 mpg, 10.5 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.0 spg, 42.6 FG%, 16.2 PER, plus 9.6 net rating

For a guard on the verge of his 38th birthday, who has suffered a total of 40 known injuries in his career, Manu Ginobili played pretty damn well in his 14th NBA season. Unfortunately for him and the Spurs, it’s a bottom-line business, and nobody takes qualifications into account on the court.


A Spurs staffer said privately that Ginobili is only good in about one out of eight games any more. Or at least good as we’ve come to expect out of Ginobili, rather than the slightly above-average performer he generally was this season. That’s a harsh assessment, but not completely off the mark. He was somewhere between bad and ineffective in probably half his 70 outings, culminating with a first-round series against the L.A. Clippers in which he shot a miserable 34.9 percent. (To be fair, Ginobili also led the Spurs in assists.)

His true shooting percentage of 54.4 was the second-lowest of his career, while his 5.0 turnovers per 100 possessions were a career high. Ginobili’s Player Efficiency Rating dropped accordingly, to his worst since his rookie season in 2002-03. With trends like that, Ginobili isn’t just wondering how much desire he has left to play one more year, but how effective he’ll be if he does eschew retirement.



Of course, the Spurs will be happy to have him back for his impeccable intangibles alone. But, after having bounced back so strongly in 2013-14 from his mediocre postseason the previous year, it’s doubtful Ginobili has another vengeance season left in him. Or any seasons at all, for that matter, what with the lure of retirement calling after one of the most illustrious careers in Spurs history.
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post #199 of 345
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3 Million Dollars is still a great deal for what Manu Ginobili is brining to the court. Anything more than that then I will have to question it. He's still the best surveyor of the floor we have on the Roster, and his main PnR guy Splitter was hurt, and that hurts him. 

 

I will gladly have Manu back for the right price.

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post #200 of 345

50/50 with Manu... he did say that his decision would also depend on Timmy's (who's certain to come back).

 

It must be tough playing in the NBA day in and day out at the age of 38, a family and an everlasting legacy. 

 

If we do resign him, I wouldn't expect glorifying numbers - just leadership and being able to control the 2nd unit.

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Kawhi made First Team all Defense and Tim Duncan made second team. Both deserving 

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post #202 of 345

2 elite defenders (Kawhi, Timmy) then underrated defender in DG.  That's 3 out of your 5 starters that can/should lock up.

 

If DG goes and MB goes we don't really have that floor spacing that really enhances our ball movement.  Which has been the jist of our offense for the past 3 seasons.

 

It'd be interesting to see if we do land LA or MG, what our game plan will be.

 

I think i'd prefer LA over Gasol for now, Splitter/LA is a great combo.

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Gasol or LA?

 

Gasol/Timmy/Spitter - that's a lot of big bodies, surely Splitter would go.

 

Man, just cant wait to see what the Spurs have in plans for the off season.  

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Man Marc Gasol aint coming here
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I'm taking Gasol if I had the option between the two of them, but I do feel that out of all three of the big name FA bigs (Gasol, LMA, Love) Gasol is the most likely option to stay with his current team.

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post #206 of 345
man spurs this year truly broke our hearts, i truly believe if they got past that game 7 we would be in the finals right now.... mean.gif

its hard for me not to blame poppovich for not being completely ready for that pelicans game....i know his mentality is usually home court or not we don't care, but this year he should have...


anyways, i think for one last finals push with timmy they need to break the bank this year a bit....either bring in a all-star shooting guard/small forward with some handles....or bring in a top big to bang down low...


pop knows how to use bigs to produce on both sides of the floor so not too worried about points....plus you surround yourself with 1-2 more top 3 point shooters and we can make 1 more push.
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The Spurs had 2 chances to close it out SMH.  Could've smashed Houston in 4-5 and is really the only team that could legitimately beat the Warriors in 7 games.

 

But then I look at the season we had.  Early injuries, inconsistency.  We had a good run towards the end of the season where everyone was gelling and we were seeing the Spurs of old.

 

However we lost our last game - just like we lost the 1st round in the last game.  It was always against us and we just ran out of time.

 

Just going to be hard to find someone who can reproduce 50% of Timmy does, LA can do it offensively, defensively so so.  Gasol has both facets, but we arguably have Gasol in the form of Splitter, who I think is an integral part to our strategy.  Some think he's a bum, but he's an X factor who plays within the system.  For me Splitter/LA/Leonard/Green/Parker is still a force to be reckoned with, hell even Timmy/LA/Leonard/Green/Parker is ridiculous.  Bring in Diaw, Splitter, Ginobili, Patty Mills and you're in good shape.

 

Will Baynes get resigned? He's got potential to improve his game within the system. He had a few impact games throughout the season, good hustle player.  Kind of reminds me of a more refined Tyler Hansbrough..

 

I want to say the front office have Danny Green, LA and Ginobili as their top priorities and $$$ wise. 

 

Still haven't heard any rumours or anything lately..

 

EDIT: I was thinking Ray Allen could be an alternative to Belinelli lol... 38 yr old+ club.

post #208 of 345
No Ginobili

Let it go!

The Spurs need to get hella younger
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Theres such a line in the sand on Manu in here :lol. He should come back man for like 3Ms. 

 

As long as pop and Tim are around we're in title contention.

 

Post 30,000 wow. I post too much :lol

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http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2015/06/03/a-backdoor-look-at-the-medical-secrets-of-the-spurs/
If there is something new or cutting edge going on in the NBA, there’s an excellent chance the Spurs are at the forefront.

They were one of the first NBA teams to install the SportVU camera tracking systems that are now found in every NBA arena. They were one of the first NBA teams to hire an applied sports scientist. And, according to this fascinating piece from Ken Berger of CBS Sports, they were one of the first NBA teams to employ Catapult, an Australian company that specializes in biomechanical analysis.

As Berger explains:

This season, 12 NBA teams…used (Catapult’s) monitoring device, which is about the size of a car clicker and fits into the lining of a compression shirt.

The tiny device features a location-positioning system (indoor GPS); an accelerometer to measure stops and starts; a gyroscope to measure the body’s bending and twisting; and a magnetometer to measure direction. Oh, it also has a microprocessor that collects and parses more than 1,000 data points per second, beaming them to the trainer’s screen of choice in real time.


At least half the NBA teams using the device also have their players wear heart-rate monitors at the same time to track what’s going on inside their bodies in response to training. The coaching staff can monitor every player’s movement patterns and physiological responses in real time, and all the data can be integrated to provide a complete picture of how a player is moving and how his body is responding to it.

Less important than the actual in-game data is the cumulative picture it provides of player health, giving coaches something more than gut instincts to rely on as they try to navigate their roster through the grueling NBA season.

The focus of Berger’s story is the Golden State Warriors, who shared how the accumulated data influenced Steve Kerr’s controversial decision to rest a handful of his key players, including eventual MVP Stephen Curry, during a long road trip late in the season.


“We felt like those guys were reaching their limit,” said Keke Lyles, Golden State’s director of athletic performance. “A lot of non-contact injuries are fatigue-related. If we see big drops consistently over the last few games, and we know in practice they’ve dropped and they’re telling us they’re tired and sore and beat up, then we start painting a big picture: ‘Yeah, these guys are probably fatigued.’ When they’re fatigued, they’re at a higher risk.”

Indeed, a Catapult executive shared an anecdote with Berger about a trainer for a soccer team that uses its devices who predicted that particular player had an 85 percent chance of injury if he played in an upcoming match. He did, and promptly pulled a hamstring.

The secretive Spurs, of course, would never reveal such information. Rather, coach Gregg Popovich, one of the first coaches to actively rest players against conventional wisdom, speaks only in vague terms about who he chooses to sit, and when.

“Pop doesn’t need computers,” Kerr joked to Berger. “He has his own brain and it gathers all this data and figures it out on his own.”

Kerr has a point, in that Popovich apparently doesn’t even have a computer in his office at the team practice site. But as Berger notes, the Spurs were one of the first two NBA teams, along with Dallas, to hire Catapult, joining up after the 2011 lockout. The players can often be seen wearing their harnesses during training camp, with blinking lights under their jerseys making them look like the robots many have long suspected them to be.

In reality, the Spurs are human beings, made of bone and muscle and ligaments prone to breaking down with overuse. And now we know just a little bit more about how they and an increasing number of NBA teams endeavor to keep all those exceptionally athletic bodies in one piece.
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