Lakers OFF-SEASON IS A WRAP

MVP · Apr 27, 2015

CP1708 said:
They did the same thing for Kareem.

Baltimore did it for Cal Ripken.

Yankees for Jeter.

They wanted to for Magic, but of course that was taken from them.

She's talking about video tributes, bringing Shaq in, maybe Pau, LO, etc. Not a big deal, just celebrating his 20th year as a Laker.

This.
Take a chill pill everyone. Not like she's going to offer him a 2 year 60 mil dollar deal.

Johnny_Cakes · Apr 27, 2015

But I bet he'll get an offer of ~12-15M for another two years.

darthska · Apr 28, 2015

[quote name="CP1708"][quote name="DarthSka"][quote name="CP1708"]Yup.

I laugh at everyone hypin this guy today like he's 03 Dunc.

He's 7 feet tall, and makes 2 foot baskets to the tune of 13-14 points a game. :lol:

He scored 4, in a playoff game, and won by 40. But people act as if he's dominated the entire time[/quote]Just flat out making stuff up with that last sentence.

Ain't nobody said he has dominated in like forever. Not me, not Anti, not Duncan himself.

"100 years old, still doing it :smokin

" =/= 'dominating'[/quote]

Pop said Duncan was his best player this year.

Every game, they go on and on like he's still running each game.

Bloggers/media types talk like he'll still be playing in 2025.

I'm not making anything up, I catch all that ****.[/quote]Pop?! :lol:

Ok, if next year is dedicated to Kobe by the Lakers, you are going to hear all kinds of sideways, false *******, and instead of "C'mon, Lakers, be reasonable," you are going to...

... EAT...

...IT...

UP.

Twisted stats to back up whatever ******** we all heard, paragraphs on paragraphs on how true it is, etc.

"Pop said." :lol:

CP1708 · Apr 28, 2015

I said people have acted like he's been doin it the whole time.

You didn't buy that claim.

I gave you multiple examples, including Pop.

*shrugs*

essential1 · Apr 28, 2015

You guys do know Dr. Buss was going to offer Kobe a farewell contract had he lived right?

One of his wishes for the Lakers in his last years was for them to take care of Kobe on his way out.

Sure it's a high high number. But Dr. Buss wanted to take care of every guy he viewed as if they were his son. Magic & Kobe most prominent examples.

Would it have been $48.5mil? Maybe, maybe not. But he was going to pay Kobe for service rendered, and what Kobe meant to him.

Dr. Buss viewed taking care of your guy as a positive to other players who may want to come here, that the Lakers take care of their own.

As for what Jeanie said, she's basically saying that she wants to do what they couldn't do for Magic. Show him how much they love him while he is still playing.

darthska · Apr 28, 2015

[quote name="CP1708"]I said people have acted like he's been doin it the whole time.

You didn't buy that claim.

I gave you multiple examples, including Pop.

*shrugs*[/quote]The media. :lol:

Man, when I said 'Ain't no one said,' I was talking about here, people we all regularly discuss with.

Not his ONLY NBA COACH and the media. :lol:

kal-el-8 · Apr 28, 2015

DarthSka said:
^ I might tune out, all season.

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darthska · Apr 28, 2015

Lizakers · Apr 28, 2015

Love was putting up 30 and 20 for a stretch like it was nothing in MIN

1. Do we think he can regain that level of play?
2. Do we think Randle can ever achieve that level?

Randle is by and large an unknown commodity, Love is proven and in his prime. It's a tough call because Randle can be a Barkley-type best case and Milsap worst case. Plus he's young.

essential1 · Apr 28, 2015

Lizaker4Lizife said:
Love was putting up 30 and 20 for a stretch like it was nothing in MIN

1. Do we think he can regain that level of play?
2. Do we think Randle can ever achieve that level?

Randle is by and large an unknown commodity, Love is proven and in his prime. It's a tough call because Randle can be a Barkley-type best case and Milsap worst case. Plus he's young.

And what did that get him?

And is Kevin Love going to be your Number 1 player? And if so then what does that get us?

And if you plan on adding Russell Westbrook and somebody else.. Is Kevin Love 30 & 20 or 16 & 10?

Also Kevin Love is 3-4 when he goes for 30 & 20. 20 & 20 or better 5-11

CP1708 · Apr 28, 2015

DarthSka said:
[quote name="CP1708"]I said people have acted like he's been doin it the whole time.

You didn't buy that claim.

I gave you multiple examples, including Pop.

*shrugs*

The media. :lol:

Man, when I said 'Ain't no one said,' I was talking about here, people we all regularly discuss with.

Not his ONLY NBA COACH and the media. :lol:

[/quote]

The people on here, suddenly claiming he's better than Kobe? Because Kawhi and 2 other Hall of Famers carried him to an extra title?

During Kobe's last year, when he was just short of 27/6/6 over 80 games at 39 minutes a night, when Duncan scratched out those 14-8 nights regularly, and no one was sayin **** about him no more?

Those, particular guys? Like Mister Friendly, the guy that argued with me in the QB thread about 80's and 90's football, by tellin me I should count how many Starting Lineup figurines a team had to determine how good that team was, you want me to listen to what he has to say, and take it seriously?

Anti Hunger Games Dope? You want me to listen to him?

I'll pass, thanks.

Others, people, folks, out there act like 15 Dunc is the same as 99 Dunc. Per 36, etc etc, it's out there. I assure you.

Fact is, him bein carried now = ok.
Kobe bein "carried" in 2000 = sucker.

Even tho Kobe was hittin game winners, leadin game7's and savin the teams *** in OT, on the road, in the Finals.

But Tim throws them 4 point games up in a 40 point win, still doin it......

Cool tho. I see what it is.

essential1 · Apr 28, 2015

Essential1 said:
swass-y P said:

Celtics are offering a first rounder for gerald wallace's contract (~10mil). Do we bite?

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No.

Absolutely not.

Would take up half of our cap space. We need to come away with either a Superstar.. Or a young name. Both would not happen if we take on Gerald Wallace.

I actually re-thought about this when look through my twitter feed about it and saw something pointed out....

I would actually consider it..

BUT only if it is two First Round draft picks. Both of Celtics 1st Rounders this year (16 & 2

..They could have our 34th for the 28th. If not that then 16 & 33 for this year's draft.

We could immediately stretch Gerald Wallace's contract, and pay $3,368,619 each of the next 3 years. Sucks in 2015-16, inconsequential in 2016-17, 2017-18

Would make us golden going forward. And if it gives the Celtics Kevin Love? So be it.

pmatic · Apr 28, 2015

Lizaker4Lizife said:
Love was putting up 30 and 20 for a stretch like it was nothing in MIN

1. Do we think he can regain that level of play?
2. Do we think Randle can ever achieve that level?

Randle is by and large an unknown commodity, Love is proven and in his prime. It's a tough call because Randle can be a Barkley-type best case and Milsap worst case. Plus he's young.

I think this is too optimistic.

CP1708 · Apr 28, 2015

I was waiting for you to see that Rosales tweet. :lol:

For me tho, I'd need to see where we land first. 1st vs 5th or whatever in between.

I like taking a pick from Boston, and 27-28/34 would be tradeable to get us into the very early 20's, but is that to join the #1 overall, or the #5? That's my issue/concern.

I don't really enjoy the thought of paying Nick Young AND Gerald Wallace the next 3 years. :x :smh:

Even with a huge cap jump, and Kobe off the books.

Guess it depends how much Mitch likes this draft. And what FA's he thinks he can pull.

had pants · Apr 28, 2015

Nermindee said:
so jeannie buss just said next season is a celebration of kobe... SMFH lol

I cant even... just.... cot damnnnnn wut in the blue hell happened with this organization?!?! dr buss just turned over...

And every Friday will be Hawaiian Shirt Day. So feel free to wear a Hawaiian shirt to Staples on Friday games.

MVP · Apr 28, 2015

I wonder how many snake themed nights they'll be able to squeeze in the course of 41 home games. I just want some free kicks.

nermindee · Apr 28, 2015

CP1708 said:
They did the same thing for Kareem.

Baltimore did it for Cal Ripken.

Yankees for Jeter.

They wanted to for Magic, but of course that was taken from them.

She's talking about video tributes, bringing Shaq in, maybe Pau, LO, etc. Not a big deal, just celebrating his 20th year as a Laker.

yes but as a laker fan, its not what I want to hear... I want to be told that there are plans and moves in the works for the lakeshow to get back to being ELITE again... I think kobes nuts have been hugged enough.

MVP · Apr 28, 2015

They've expressed that, but there's only so much you can say and build up hope for. They can't say they're going after player A, B, and C right now cause all those guys are still under contract, we've still go the draft to consider and hopefully we get a good pick. Patience is what's needed now, we've waited for the turnaround since 2011 in earnest, this offseason is where the ascent back to the top really begins.

I have no problem with them celebrating arguably the greatest to ever don the uniform in what hopefully is his swan song season. At least they have the opportunity to do it unlike with Magic.

essential1 · Apr 28, 2015

CP1708 said:
I was waiting for you to see that Rosales tweet.

For me tho, I'd need to see where we land first. 1st vs 5th or whatever in between.

I like taking a pick from Boston, and 27-28/34 would be tradeable to get us into the very early 20's, but is that to join the #1 overall, or the #5? That's my issue/concern.

I don't really enjoy the thought of paying Nick Young AND Gerald Wallace the next 3 years. :x

Even with a huge cap jump, and Kobe off the books.

Guess it depends how much Mitch likes this draft. And what FA's he thinks he can pull.

Gerald doesn't really keep us from anybody, would although put us short of a max offer on Aldridge, Gasol, Jordan & Love.

But we could come close, with about a 91% ($18.247mil of the $20.13mil) of the way to a max. Assuming:

1. We bundle picks to move up (Say we get #1, and then i.e. 16 & 33 to 14... 27 & 34 to get to 23)
2. Then we could cut Sacre & Brown, saving about $300-400K each. Since they are non-guaranteed, could always bring them back with a guaranteed contract after we chase the top max players.

If we ended up as # 3 pick, and same scenario, we'd have $19.181mil to be able to offer a guy that can get $20.13

essential1 · Apr 28, 2015

A lot of it is unimportant fluff, but

Kevin Ding on Rondo:

So there remains a distinct possibility in today's space-and-shoot NBA that the Los Angeles Lakers will be the torchbearers for the old school and sign the pass-first (nay, pass-only) Rondo to a free-agent contract this summer.

But what should be made clear, according to team sources, is that Buss is not the believer he was earlier in the season when it comes to Rondo, and Kupchak is toting enough healthy skepticism that he sees Rondo as value only at a certain low price.

The Lakers have higher priorities when it comes to spending their precious 2015 salary-cap space. They are hopeful of buying a foundational piece—something they aren't convinced Rondo is.

The notion that the Lakers were going to be the ones to sign Rondo to a maximum contract has been put forth and perpetuated mostly by people on his side, not the Lakers'.

The Lakers will have perhaps $22 million to spend this summer—and they're somewhat torn internally how much a newly motivated Rondo, 29, might push the franchise forward.

Perhaps if Rondo, who made $12.9 million this season, can be had for leftover money after the Lakers secure a big frontcourt fish such as Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge or DeAndre Jordan in free agency for roughly $18 million next season, it could be a bargain. Especially if it's something short, such as a one-and-one contract with the second year a team option.

pmatic · Apr 28, 2015

Ding:

Despite Kobe's Support of Rajon Rondo, Lakers Uncertain About Mercurial Star

If you've arrived at the completely logical party, hosted by the estimable Dallas Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle, that Rajon Rondo shall not be welcome on your team under any circumstances at any price tag, it's probably for the best.

Lakers co-owner Jim Buss and general manager Mitch Kupchak, however, are not there.

So there remains a distinct possibility in today's space-and-shoot NBA that the Los Angeles Lakers will be the torchbearers for the old school and sign the pass-first (nay, pass-only) Rondo to a free-agent contract this summer.

But what should be made clear, according to team sources, is that Buss is not the believer he was earlier in the season when it comes to Rondo, and Kupchak is toting enough healthy skepticism that he sees Rondo as value only at a certain low price.

Thus no one should expect the Lakers to recycle those old "STAY" billboards for Dwight Howard, flipping them over to be barefaced welcome mats for Rondo this offseason, no matter how much he wants to come.

The Lakers have higher priorities when it comes to spending their precious 2015 salary-cap space. They are hopeful of buying a foundational piece—something they aren't convinced Rondo is.

The notion that the Lakers were going to be the ones to sign Rondo to a maximum contract has been put forth and perpetuated mostly by people on his side, not the Lakers'. Now that Rondo's season is over with an indeterminate back injury and indubitable productivity famine, it's time to begin projecting his next stop.

Will it be the Lakers? Even they have little idea, because they don't know what better players they can attract with their free-agent offers. The Lakers will have perhaps $22 million to spend this summer—and they're somewhat torn internally how much a newly motivated Rondo, 29, might push the franchise forward.

What can be said is that as much as Rondo's sobering stint in Dallas might have given Buss and Kupchak pause, they aren't completely turned off the way so many in NBA circles are.

Plenty of scouts cite Rondo's mushier-than-ever shooting stroke as a backbreaker for offensive game plans. Even Rondo's passing skill can be hard to accommodate with how much he needs the ball in his hands, insists on calling plays and—as seen in Dallas—tends to pass outside-in as opposed to inside-out.

On that last point, on top of not being a three-point threat himself, and with how reluctant Rondo has become to attack the basket for fear of being fouled and having to shoot free throws (of which he converted 42.6 percent in the regular season, 45 percent in two playoff games), he doesn't even create all that many three-point shots for others via drive-and-kick passes.

The overall quickness isn't what it was before the 2013 torn ACL, and the once-heralded defensive resolve has slipped, too. Beyond that, defense at the point guard position in the NBA isn't as critical as many think given how defensive schemes often funnel drivers toward rim-protecting big men, who are the greater defensive priority on the roster.

The critics who identify such slippage in Rondo's game aren't even the toughest ones: It's a fair assessment that Rondo, a four-time All-Star, was flat-out overrated in his prime—winning the 2008 NBA championship with three great, hungry veterans in Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.

So as much as a club such as the Lakers might be intrigued by the prospect of getting a Rondo intent on reclaiming his name and his game, probably at a discounted price, there remains the question:

If Rondo just isn't that good, what can he even bounce back into?

Most teams already have quality point guards, and others run offenses ill-suited for a dominant ball-handler (the New York Knicks' triangle or the Houston Rockets' James Harden-driven system leaning on threes, for example).

Throw in the possibility that Rondo's surliness causes trouble in the locker room and his presence on a non-contender limits developing a player for the future, and you see why the case on Rondo is already closed in many NBA front offices.

Buss, though, has his own numbers system, complete with his own projected salary value for guys. It incorporates advanced stats, but history shows assists are valued: Buss ranked Steve Nash as one of the top-10, possibly top-five, guards in the NBA when the Lakers traded for him in 2012.

Which brings us to another reason the Lakers might see Rondo helping: Kobe. Bryant was excited with the possibility Chris Paul might join him before the NBA intervened, and made news this season with a very public breakfast meeting with Rondo in Boston. A great point guard would help an aging Bryant economize his effort and game by feeding him in prime scoring position. It never came to fruition with the injury-prone Nash, but Rondo makes theoretical sense with his court vision—and disinterest in competing with Bryant for shot attempts.

Bryant's affection for Rondo goes well beyond that, of course. There are a lot of similarities: alpha-dog attitude, desire to think the game, insistence on testing limits, even the mindset to play for big stats and new success in the regular season before playing to win in the playoffs.

Nevertheless, as much as the Lakers want Bryant's potentially final season to be as grand as possible, this is about building something that lasts past Bryant's farewell. No one is getting signed these days just because Kobe wants it to happen.

What is a real factor is that Rondo is somebody. In somewhat the same manner as trying out Jeremy Lin while attracting his global following, ex-Celtic Rondo coming to town to run with Laker-for-life Bryant does offer cachet. It's what the Lakers considered when they decided to make a bid for Carmelo Anthony, an undeniable big name, despite reservations about the basketball merits of that potential investment last summer.

Perhaps if Rondo, who made $12.9 million this season, can be had for leftover money after the Lakers secure a big frontcourt fish such as Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge or DeAndre Jordan in free agency for roughly $18 million next season, it could be a bargain. Especially if it's something short, such as a one-and-one contract with the second year a team option.

If the risk is minimized, it could be worth a shot at seeing if Rondo becomes a triple-double jackpot again.

But would Rondo ever take a small payday when he not long ago believed he'd be one of those max guys getting $18 million?

What if the Lakers can't get any top targets to take their money, which they need to spend this summer before most of the league gets TV-money-driven cap space in 2016? Would Buss circle back to his initial trust in Rondo, indulge him with big money and present him to frustrated Lakers fans as the marquee offseason addition?

As bad as Rondo has been—and even more important, as polarizing—that would be one epic gamble.

Rondo reviving his buddy Bryant and being the one to rev Kentucky brother Julius Randle into an immediate star would indeed be something special.

It could also be a move that fails so dramatically that Buss is moved to step down.

For now, though, the Lakers aren't planning anything so bold when it comes to Rondo. Just know that at a time when so many do, the Lakers don't hate him.

Then again, they also don't love him as much as he wishes they did.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...add-rajon-rondo-but-will-proceed-with-caution

pmatic · Apr 28, 2015

Damn it, E. :lol:

essential1 · Apr 28, 2015

PMatic said:
Damn it, E.

I'm a quick reader.

c0dyboy2222 · Apr 28, 2015

Lizaker4Lizife said:
Love was putting up 30 and 20 for a stretch like it was nothing in MIN

1. Do we think he can regain that level of play?
2. Do we think Randle can ever achieve that level?

Randle is by and large an unknown commodity, Love is proven and in his prime. It's a tough call because Randle can be a Barkley-type best case and Milsap worst case. Plus he's young.

That logic tho :smh:

pmatic · Apr 28, 2015

Essential1 said:
PMatic said:

Damn it, E.

Click to expand...

I'm a quick reader.

I just got back in the office from a two hour lunch (shout outs to the Cubans). :lol:

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