Comparison of the haves and the have nots vol. Any differences in intellectual capacity?

omariwestafari · Apr 28, 2015

Okay so i was thinking today what the difference is between people who are successful and people who are not successful

For this comparison i define successful as someone who is well off financially and does what they want to do and is in control of their lives

The unsuccessful or have not is someone who is struggling with money and not able to do what they want

So i wondered is their a real difference between these people? Like is their a difference in their actual intellectual capacity or do they both have the same intellectual capacity and just one has more drive and ambition?

The reason i make this is because i see people from both walks of life everyday and i my mind thinks about this

So whatdo yall think the difference is if their is any?

offbad · Apr 28, 2015

36 ounces · Apr 28, 2015

Ambition and drive are ingredients to being successful, but I believe up-bringing plays a pertinent role in success as well.

mkc1983 · Apr 28, 2015

There are many factors to one becoming rich or poor. Eg one could be born into a rich family. Some smart ppl may simply not be interested in making a ridiculous amount of money.

Sir San Diego · Apr 28, 2015

Opportunity. Exposure. Experience.

If I had not been fortunate enough to have a woman come into my life and take the place of my biological mother, going above and beyond, getting her degree and being successful enough to expose me to a different side of life, I wouldn't be the dude I am today. I know I wouldn't have turned out this way. I'm still rough around the edges despite her coming in when I was very young. I grew up around all the wrong **** and it had an impact. My pops was young, so he was doing his thing until he decided to get married. My mother, who knows? Drugs?

Take a dude who is good at ball and comes from a shaky environment. Everything has to line up just right in order for him to make it out and then be successful. No matter how talented he is, he has to be given the opportunity, exposed to the lifestyle that opportunity can bring and along the way, some experiences will help him carve the right path out.

If I was born rich and had parents who were both educated and successful, there would be a greater chance for me to be successful myself. I don't think it's a matter of the haves are smarter or more capable intellectually. I think it's they know what to do because they've seen it done time and time again by people who they are in direct contact with and can ask them for advice.

picasso swerve · Apr 28, 2015

Lazy vs not lazy.

Oh, and the haves drive turbo V6's while the have a littles drive V8's.

36 ounces · Apr 28, 2015

Also how one handles and maneuvers around social conditioning can also be a indicator of success. Money isn't the ultimate marker of success, and shouldn't ever be looked at that way. There are a lot of rich dumb people. What about Migos situation, those lil boys were in a position to really take off career wise then they totally dropped the ball. I don't know why they felt it was necessary to carry weapons themselves if they have an entourage. If they truly felt their lives were in danger the way they portrayed in that Noisey video, they should of had someone in their entourage with license to carry, that would have been smart. Nothing wrong with a bodyguard, but if you don't like that term call them a "shooter". They didn't possess the tact and shrewdness to think along those lines, but they did mange to get caught with the possession of firearms illegally. Apparently they don't have the discernibility to differentiate life from art.

sooperhooper · Apr 28, 2015

Desires and levels of importance is all that matters. The positives and the negatives are weighed and judged in each person's mind and they decide what they want. The convenience of chilling or the convenience of doing what you want when you chill.

Same as in shape people vs out of shape.

Deleted member 42060 · Apr 28, 2015

i generally think the smarter you are the more money you make. add luck into the equation and you're set

Brownstone · Apr 29, 2015

I think it makes a lot of people uncomfortable to think about how unsystematic life is. Truth is an occurrence such as success is dependent on so many factors intelligence becomes irrelevant at some point, when it's 1 of 40/50 of the attributes required. You have to keep in mind that In a capitalistic society certain groups have certain advantages as well. I think timing and education are the two most important factors, anyone who has been to a university understands that education is not the same thing as intelligence.

Coromanti · Apr 29, 2015

I take issue with the wording of the question. It implies there is an innate intellectual capacity associated with class.

What you should be asking is "how does socioeconomic status affects the education of children?"

And this is a well documented question with ongoing research. Thus far the short answer is that more money = better education.

In more capatalist/unequal societies this truth can be seen where the wealthy few have much better educations than the many poor which leads to a cycle of self propogation. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Ex. USA, Russia

In more mixed-market/socialist/equal societies, this is seen where much of public funding is placed into education and as a result almost everyone is educated at a high level creating a strong middle class with very few super rich or super poor. Ex. Germany, Scandinavian countries

mycoldyourdone · Apr 29, 2015

I believe there is a difference in their actual intellectual capacities. I dont believe everyone has the same tools. Everyone's brain is wired differently. And they are different sizes too. Some of more "ram" than others. No brain is the same just like no snowflake is the same. Also genetics and image come into play as well. And of course how and where they grew up, and how healthy the evolution of their mental health opens up more branches of how their logic comes to be.

boris · Apr 29, 2015

There are plenty of idiots with money.

Top Boy · Apr 29, 2015

Didn't read OP lol.

P4L

Coromanti · Apr 29, 2015

Mycoldyourdone said:
I believe there is a difference in their actual intellectual capacities. I dont believe everyone has the same tools. Everyone's brain is wired differently. And they are different sizes too. Some of more "ram" than others. No brain is the same just like no snowflake is the same. Also genetics and image come into play as well. And of course how and where they grew up, and how healthy the evolution of their mental health opens up more branches of how their logic comes to be.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.” - Albert Einstein.

Unless a person has a mental disorder, a person will be good at something. Words like "stupid" and "intelligence" are subjective as they need a context to be applied to.

If you ask the average man to design a plumbing system, he most likely could not do it. Yet the blue collar plumbers of the world are considered stupid for doing what they do.

As for your point on Genetics, you are right. Some brains are just wired to be able to understand much more "complex" ideas. However that does not give you the right to discount the abilities of others as lesser.

Thoughts like these are what lead to the eugenics movement. People were killed, labeled inferior, ostracized, or otherwise had their humanity stripped away because of these perceived differences.

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Comparison of the haves and the have nots vol. Any differences in intellectual capacity?

omariwestafari

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Top Boy

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