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Speaking of Whitlock, did anyone see the piece Deadspin did on him and his Black "Grantland" site? Oh man...DS is blocked here at work, and it's a LENGTHY read...but everything you think of Whitlock in a negative way, is probably true. His site is a trainwreck.
Whitlock got skewered by Deadspin. laugh.gif
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JJs - that Whitlock article was gold. Greg Howard has lit into JW multiple times now and it gets better each time laugh.gif

That site is not going to make it.

I'm anxiously awaiting the shots Simmons will lob in the future with all things ESPN.
post #63 of 2381
They need to pull the plug on Skip and Stephen A.
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Speaking of Whitlock, did anyone see the piece Deadspin did on him and his Black "Grantland" site? Oh man...DS is blocked here at work, and it's a LENGTHY read...but everything you think of Whitlock in a negative way, is probably true. His site is a trainwreck.
Whitlock got skewered by Deadspin. laugh.gif

It wasn't pretty laugh.gif Skewered is putting it lightly roll.gif

ESPN seems like a complete disaster behind the scenes.

It would never happen, but I would love for Simmons to drop a book about ESPN that was as detailed as his Book of Basketball. laugh.gif
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JJs - that Whitlock article was gold. Greg Howard has lit into JW multiple times now and it gets better each time laugh.gif

That site is not going to make it.

I'm anxiously awaiting the shots Simmons will lob in the future with all things ESPN.

My jaw was dropped while reading it.

Funniest part to me was Howard pretty much pulling the cover on Whitlock's alter-ego persona on Twitter. laugh.gif
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I wonder if Zach Lowe will be next man up for ESPN? One of the best basketball minds in the business. Not sure how he'd do on TV, but he's fantastic. Same w/ Jon Abrams.

Yea, neither of those dudes have the charisma like Bill. He's a pretty polarizing character
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Speaking of Whitlock, did anyone see the piece Deadspin did on him and his Black "Grantland" site? Oh man...DS is blocked here at work, and it's a LENGTHY read...but everything you think of Whitlock in a negative way, is probably true. His site is a trainwreck.

Every piece has been pure ether by Greg.

 

 


http://deadspin.com/why-espn-fired-bill-simmons-1703103609

 

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And that brings us to today, with Skipper summarily dispatching Simmons. Given the timing of Sandomir’s report, ESPN’s scramble to put out a statement, John Walsh’s ignorance as of last night, and Simmons’s continued promotion of Grantland work, it feels like a spur-of-the-moment thing. Skipper, according to multiple sources, really was angered beyond all reason bySimmons’s appearance on The Dan Patrick Show yesterday; employees are barred from going on the former ESPNer’s show without obtaining prior permission. Miller, more plugged into Bristol than just about anyone else, called it “the tipping point.”

 

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"Lack of testicular fortitude," (On Godell) via @dpshow -- This was tipping point for @BillSimmons future with @espn

— James Andrew Miller (@JimMiller) May 8, 2015

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listen to 'the right reasons' I don't even watch half the stuff they talk about.. but it's entertaining

started listening more because of Jacoby and them talking about mtvs challenges.. she also does a basketball related podcast which is entertaining 'nba after dark'

Love NBA after dark
post #68 of 2381
Bill is obnoxious as a tv personality but I enjoy his written work and all the other things he's put together.

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post #69 of 2381
Of course it's ESPN caping the NFL
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I ******* hate Jason Whitlock
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Perfect fit honestly.
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Simmons on Vice would be pimp.gif
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Bill Simmons Should Be The Face Of Yahoo Sports

[Author was long YHOO at time of writing]

I don’t think Yahoo (YHOO) CEO Marissa Mayer had even heard of Bill Simmons before this morning.

Simmons is not the kind of guy who shows up at the Met Gala, where Mayer spent at least $1 million to sponsor the event on Monday.

But, you can bet Mayer is being tutored as I write this on who Simmons is now that ESPN President announced on Facebook this morning that he’d decided not to renew Simmons’ contract.

Reportedly, ESPN was not willing to go up to $6 million a year to keep him. The former AOL blogger who started Grantland will leave the Bristol mothership soon.

Where will he go? Most are saying a big media company like Fox who’s trying to catch up with ESPN or to start his own website/media company.

I believe he should work for Yahoo. He should really become the face of Yahoo Sports – which is one of the top sports sites already.

Here’s why a combination of Yahoo Sports and Simmons would make the most sense:

- Yahoo has already been betting big on TV-friendly personalities to drive viewership, clicks and videos (which monetize well for them) since Mayer took over as CEO 3 years ago, but, in truth, the strategy began even earlier than that under Carol Bartz and former head of Yahoo Americas Ross Levinsohn. The trouble is that Mayer has bet on the wrong “personalities” that don’t match what viewers want to see/read/click on. The biggest example of this is Katie Couric. Couric has inexplicably become the face of Yahoo News and now reports directly to Mayer. Couric is said to earn $5 million a year from Yahoo shareholders but – according to a recent analysis which Yahoo couldn’t refute – only generates about $2.5 million a year in revenue. Couric has been made the face of Yahoo’s Snapchat Discover Channel, despite the fact that few people on Snapchat probably know who she is. Bill Simmons is a perfect fit to be the face of Yahoo Sports and attracts a much younger demo than Couric. Even if Mayer was to sign him for $6 million a year, he could likely earn multiples of that back for Yahoo shareholders.

- Yahoo already has a very respectable stable of great sports journalists who all pre-date Mayer. Adrian Wojnarowski, Marc Spears, Dan Wetzel, Pat Forde, Kevin Iole, Greg Wyshynski (recently on a Simmons podcast). These are all great writers. They’d all immediately fit in to Simmons’ podcasts and video shows on Yahoo, until such time as Simmons could raid Grantland for other friends like Zach Lowe and Bill Barnwell.

- Simmons is based in LA. He won’t move. So, is Yahoo Sports. He could work out of the Santa Monica Yahoo offices.

- Simmons could generate a lot of video, podcasts and replace Couric as the face of Yahoo on Snapchat Discover. This is all where media is heading and he’s a perfect fit with it.

- Simmons loves to gamble. Yahoo’s Fantasy Sports is the biggest on the planet and they just announced that they’re getting into Daily Fantasy Sports. What a perfect cross-over opportunity to get Simmons discussing the Fantasy issues of the day.

- Although Fox can offer Simmons a boatload of money, he shouldn’t pull a Howard Stern here. Howard Stern turned his back on CBS to sign a lucrative deal with Sirius in 2004. Did Howard make a lot of money? Yes. But he lost something much more important: relevance in popular culture. No longer were his dynamite interview snippets covered by the media, because fewer people were listening. Fox Sports 1 is an embarrassment. No one watches it. Simmons would get forgotten on there, as well as his columns on FoxSports.com. He would be throwing his reputation he’s fought hard to create from nothing over the last 20 years out the window.

- Going it alone is a lot tougher than you think. Although Simmons mentioned Louis C.K. on a recent podcast and how he had “cut out the middleman” in going direct to the public, it takes a lot of work to stand alone as BillSimmons.com 0r Bill Simmons “the app”. Why not get some help from a big media partner like Yahoo – paying you a lucrative salary – if you can? It’s going to be less work and less stress. I think that’s going to be a lot more appealing to Simmons than the Louis C.K. model.

- Yahoo has been messing around with the concept of Yahoo Screen for a year now. It seemed like it was going to be their channel on Apple TV. Then it wasn’t. It seemed like their play on YouTube. Then, recently, Mayer seemed to indicate she was no longer supportive of the concept. Here’s a way to make people want to watch Yahoo Screen: put Bill Simmons content on there.

- This move also paves the way for Yahoo to start bidding for major sporting events like the NFL or NBA down the road. They should have done this anyway on the recent NFL rights bidding.

- Simmons likes to write about pop culture like movies and TV shows. Yahoo has all the verticals to let him do that. A broadcaster like Turner or Fox doesn’t.

- Despite all the people who like to diminish Yahoo as old and irrelevant, it still has almost a billion users. It is a major brand in the media world. And, unlike Fox Sports 1, it actually has a chance to be a lot bigger and more meaningful. Bill Simmons would help to do that.

This is a chance for Marissa Mayer to really make a move that all of Yahoo Sports – the most profitable vertical in all of Yahoo – would cheer for. Yahoo investors would cheer for it. It also gives Simmons everything he wants – relevance, reach, a great team from day one, and security.

Mayer needs to get this one right.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericjackson/2015/05/08/bill-simmons-should-be-the-face-of-yahoo-sports/3/

Damn, $6M. sick.gif
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Lowe, Abrams, Goldsberry, Jalen and Jacoby, and the Hollywood Prospectus. frown.gif
my guy andy greenwald and chris ryan
if anyone deserves to run grantland its jacoby ....thats probably the only way that im still gonna check fo them
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Top 10 reasons Bill Simmons should join Fox Sports

News broke Friday morning that ESPN is parting ways with popular sports personality, Bill Simmons.

The World Wide Leader released this official statement.
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ESPN statement on Bill Simmons leaving from ESPN President John Skipper:

“I decided today that we are not going to renew Bill Simmons’ contract. We have been in negotiations and it was clear it was time to move on. ESPN’s relationship with Bill has been mutually beneficial - he has produced great content for us for many years and ESPN has provided him many new opportunities to spread his wings. We wish Bill continued success as he plans his next chapter. ESPN remains committed to Grantland and we have a strong team in place.”

Since Simmons will be looking for employment, I'd like to let the man formerly known as the "Boston Sports Guy" that Fox Sports is the place for him. While I have no say in things like money, contracts and control, I can offer Simmons a bunch of other reasons why he should consider bringing his talets to Fox Sports. Here are 10:


10. We've never suspended anyone for tweets.

9. Have you see what we let Katie Nolan get away with?



8. You can become colleagues with a Pope, who admires your work.



7. You never know what Charissa Thompson will do.



6. You can freely bash "First Take."

5. You can call a college hoops game with Gus Johnson and Bill Raftery.

4. We air the Super Bowl in 2017, and you can be part of the 142 hour pregame show.

3. If Fox ever airs a 'Beverly Hills, 90210' reunion, you can host.

2. We just built a bar in our L.A. office. For real.

1. You can talk gambling with Pete Rose.

If this doesn't get Simmons to Fox, I don't know what will.
http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/bill-simmons-espn-fox-050815
post #77 of 2381
i wanna work for Fox Sports now
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Wow, I did not know Reilly got paid like that....

 

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The sporting press is full of free agents, but Patrick and Reilly are more intriguing than most. For one thing, ESPN will reportedly pay Reilly $17 million over five years, or roughly $50,000 per one-liner.
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And Grantland will fold STAT. Who the hell goes to that site for other reasons than his columns? laugh.gif

Lowe and Barnwell are great but they can just move their columns to the main site.
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Rembert Browne is hit or miss but he's like an asset

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Andy Greenwald/Chris Ryan I don't necessarily agree with but they're generally informed .

Chris b brown is the top football scheme guy imo

Jalen.......maybe their second biggest asset

Bill barnweell/robert mays are average but have good content

Titus is an A1 college basketball writer.

Its like louie on fx ...the ratings are horrible but you like what they do big picture for the company .
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What's next for ESPN, Bill Simmons after they split in September?

Bill Simmons has always positioned himself as an outsider. It’s an odd sentiment given he made his fame at the most established brand in sports media, but Simmons has always envisioned himself as anti-establishment, even as he built an in-house empire and became an integral part of the machine known as ESPN.

On Friday The New York Times broke the news—the more accurate description is that ESPN president John Skipper and its management team picked a great venue and a well-respected reporter to deliver the news—that ESPN would not re-sign Simmons when his contract expires in September. ESPN later released a statement to Sports Illustrated and other media outlets.

"I decided today that we are not going to renew Bill Simmons' contract,” Skipper said in the statement. “We have been in negotiations and it was clear it was time to move on. ESPN's relationship with Bill has been mutually beneficial—he has produced great content for us for many years and ESPN has provided him many new opportunities to spread his wings. We wish Bill continued success as he plans his next chapter. ESPN remains committed to Grantland and we have a strong team in place."

Multiple calls, emails and ravens to Simmons (and his reps) had not been returned as of this writing.

The timing of the news is surprising given that Skipper has repeatedly expressed his interest in retaining Simmons, and did so again last week on a Denison University sports radio show. In September, Skipper told this to SI.com: “My interest is high in re-signing Bill. We like Bill. He has done good work for us. We continue to have a good collaboration, and I am anxious to have some discussions with Bill to see if we can continue to do things that work for ESPN.”

While the timing is surprising, it is not a shock that ESPN and Simmons are parting ways. While I think Skipper is fond of Simmons on a personal level and considers him a friend, I don't believe the frequency in which they discussed future plans is as great as the Times’s story indicates.

SI.com requested interviews with Skipper and Marie Donoghue, the company's exec vice president of global strategy and original content and the management staffer who works with Simmons on a day-to-day level at Grantland. ESPN declined those requests on Friday.

From the Simmons side: Simmons has been frustrated with parts of ESPN, including management, for some time. It’s been a slow burn, according to his friends. He was clearly dismayed by some of the projects he was involved in prior to this year, particularly on the television side. His experience on NBA Countdown was not a good one and his friends will tell you that he privately seethed last September when he was suspended by Skipper for three weeks after he called NFL commissioner Roger Goodell a "liar" (among other things) on his podcast, The B.S. Report, following Goodell’s press conference Sept. 19 on the league's ongoing domestic violence issues. Of significant importance, Simmons dared ESPN management to discipline him for those comments on the same podcast.

That three-week suspension (which included two weeks without pay) was two weeks longer than what Stephen A. Smith received when, in the midst of discussing the NFL’s adjudication of Ray Rice on "First Take," he suggested that women should examine their role in provoking domestic violence incidents. Smith was ultimately suspended for a week, but that came after Smith returned to the air to apologize and followed a p.r. statement that offered "a lot of discussion and reflection on the topic" but no adjudication. Suspensions have been doled out inconsistently for years at ESPN, and the process by which they were decided was convoluted (and slow). Simmons’s suspension was the new test case for speedier suspensions and, from what I understand, Simmons was furious about discipline that he believed was far harsher than what the crime warranted.

From the ESPN side: First, finances are always at play with decisions of this magnitude. One longtime ESPN staffer said Skipper’s decision was not surprising given the economic reality of two lagging quarters for ESPN and the salary Simmons would be seeking given his market value (likely in excess of $5 million per year).

“Grantland is an artistic success, but it is not close to making money,” said the ESPN insider. “That matters now more than ever in this new reality. Tough choices. Not to mention the personal history here, and his history of not playing nice in the sandbox. Seriously, the dude is talented, and his greatest legacy will be pushing 30 for 30, but he may shortly discover the power of this brand.”

Also, former executive editor John Walsh was the biggest buffer between Simmons and Bristol-based management and has long been his principal champion and rabbi. (Walsh hired him.) Walsh’s impact had been significantly reduced the last few years and once that happened the dynamic between Simmons and those back in Bristol changed. Simmons also alienated some producers and editors who disliked working with him. “Let’s just say the mood is festive,” said one Bristol-based staffer in response to the Simmons news.

Longtime ESPN chronicler James Andrew Miller, co-author of "Those Guys Have All The Fun" called Simmons's Thursday appearance on the Dan Patrick Show, in which he ripped Goodell for his handling of Deflategate, "a tipping point" between Simmons and the company.

The fallout: Multiple sources at ESPN confirmed that there will be no changes to ESPN’s documentary series 30 for 30, for which Simmons served as an executive producer. That department continues on as is with two dozens projects in the pipeline. (The head of ESPN Films, Connor Schell, declined to comment through ESPN p.r.)

Despite going into lockdown mode today—multiple Grantland staffers who are usually accessible could not be reached for comment—the majority of the Grantland staff swear by Simmons and hold him responsible for the creative freedom and large salaries that have. ESPN says Grantland will continue on—ESPN owns it—and the company in my opinion will extend it as long as possible in part to prove that it does not need Simmons to thrive. Grantland has long been a pet project for Skipper, and he publicly supported the site on Friday. “It long ago went from being a Bill Simmons site to one that can stand on its own,” Skipper told Sandomir today, pointedly.

While Grantland can surely stand on its own with its tremendous talent, Simmons remained the site’s major attraction when it came to metrics and external sales, including through ESPN’s upfronts. Also, on Friday, Peter Kafka of re/code reported that David Cho, who has been publisher of Grantland since the start in 2011, gave his notice to ESPN last week. On the issue of whether Simmons will continue to do podcasts and the rest of his regular work at Grantland, sources told SI.com not to presume he'll be on a permanent vacation prior to the conclusion of his contract.

What’s next? That’s obvious question. One longtime agent who has worked with various networks placed Simmons potential earnings at $7-10 million per year. “Look for him owning his dot-com rights and all the content that comes with it including podcasts,” said the agent. “And a TV play such as Turner, Fox, HBO or Showtime.”

(Simmons is represented by James Dixon, whose talent roster includes Stephen Colbert, Carson Daly, Jimmy Kimmel, and Jon Stewart. Dixon will get his client money.)

The possible suitors for Simmons include other traditional media companies, such as Fox Sports where one of Simmons’ longtime friends and admirers, Jamie Horowitz, just took a job as the president of Fox Sports National Networks. Horowitz will oversee programming, marketing and scheduling for Fox Sports 1 and Fox Sports 2 and supervise management and development of original programming.

(In September 2013, Simmons told SI.com: “Fox Sports 1 talked a big game before they launched and deserved a little ribbing. Remember, they were posing for magazine covers, trying to steal ESPN people, bragging about having ‘fun’ and taking veiled shots at us. Meanwhile, the NBA previews I did with Jalen [Rose] for Grantland Channel would be their highest-rated show right now. Why are we even talking about them, Deitsch? When they can come up with a show that can out-rate me and Jalen wearing the same clothes for six straight hours on YouTube, get back to me.”)

Turner Sports has the rights to the NBA, which is Simmons’ bailiwick, and a big digital property in Bleacher Report. “It’s premature to discuss at this time,” said a Turner Sports spokesperson on Friday.

Yahoo! could also be a factor given its scope and cash flow, though the site’s sports impact has lessened with some talent departure. As Sandomir wrote, Simmons could use his high profile to start his own multimedia platform with investment from private equity.

I’ve known Simmons a long time and I imagine he won’t say much in the near-term. But rest assured, he will motivated to build something that takes on his old employer in some arena. His story at ESPN in essence ends today, but another one is just beginning.
http://www.si.com/more-sports/2015/05/08/bill-simmons-espn-part-ways
post #81 of 2381
Simmons is talented

Grant land ha been trash for years now and will crash and burn without him


Jacoby a cool dude though

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Top 10 reasons Bill Simmons should join Fox Sports

6. You can freely bash "First Take."
http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/bill-simmons-espn-fox-050815

 

 

please dear lord baby jesus, let this happen.. I need someone to either these dudes

 

 

 

and she was on the bs report:

 

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Top 10 reasons Bill Simmons should join Fox Sports


9. Have you see what we let Katie Nolan get away with?

http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/bill-simmons-espn-fox-050815
post #83 of 2381
He'll fade into bolivia if he goes to fs1. They gave katie nolan a show but has she ever entertained anyone?
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Speaking of Whitlock, did anyone see the piece Deadspin did on him and his Black "Grantland" site? Oh man...DS is blocked here at work, and it's a LENGTHY read...but everything you think of Whitlock in a negative way, is probably true. His site is a trainwreck.
The article:

How Jason Whitlock is Poisoning ESPN's "Black Grantland"

Is this what we have to look forward to from ESPN now?
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Also , I never understood how bill got in trouble.my guy dan le batard legit GOES OFF on so many ppl at espn laugh.gif his radio show is GOLD

The thursdsy/friday before the mayweather/pacquiao fight they where clowning the predictions Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith made on his radio show laugh.gif they had the desgraced rockets Twitter guy tweeting throughout the show the other day etc... he legit gives no dambs at all man laugh.gif
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Also , I never understood how bill got in trouble.my guy dan le batard legit GOES OFF on so many ppl at espn laugh.gif his radio show is GOLD

The thursdsy/friday before the mayweather/pacquiao fight they where clowning their predictions on his radio show laugh.gif they had the desgraced rockets Twitter guy tweeting throughout the show the other day etc... he legit gives no dambs at all man laugh.gif

he went after goodell. espn is basically nfl network 2.0 with all their football programs. laugh.gif
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He'll fade into bolivia if he goes to fs1. They gave katie nolan a show but has she ever entertained anyone?
yup maybe he can get a Showtime show with an option to have his own podcast and write for the globe/times/bleacher etc

Three revenue streams +
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Also , I never understood how bill got in trouble.my guy dan le batard legit GOES OFF on so many ppl at espn laugh.gif his radio show is GOLD

The thursdsy/friday before the mayweather/pacquiao fight they where clowning their predictions on his radio show laugh.gif they had the desgraced rockets Twitter guy tweeting throughout the show the other day etc... he legit gives no dambs at all man laugh.gif

he went after goodell. espn is basically nfl network 2.0 with all their football programs. laugh.gif

Interesting point. 

 

Dan ever got at the NFL on anything?

 

His rant on the Baltimore situation was great and surprising for an ESPN employee...his leash is definitely longer that's for sure

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post #89 of 2381
I hope this gets nasty. I'd love the skeletons out the ESPN closet happy.gif
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The salary angle is an interesting one. What is $6 million to ESPN?

They hire every ex jock and coach under the sun every year and give them six figure contracts like it is going out of style yet you are going to sweat over the worth of this guy making $6 mil? Not buyin that one at all.

Probably perfect storm of both being fed up with each other and time to go different directions.

It's going to be highly entertaining to hear Simmons' take as you know it is coming down the road.
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