New wave of HS and College dropouts making it big doing it in tech/startup community rather than Spo

 
How Dense are you, you go to school to get the job, u intern to get the opportunity to get the job, in this scenario you are already offered the job.
Why do you refuse to accept the idea/fact that school, college, and education will better you as a person?  To be fair, your reasons for going to school is just a tad different from the guy next to you.
 
 
Why do you refuse to accept the idea/fact that school, college, and education will better you as a person?  To be fair, your reasons for going to school is just a tad different from the guy next to you.
How does it better you as a person and in what way could you not get it anywhere else outside of school?
 
Like talking to a wall...I already explained the benefits of school and the ceilings you will hit without schooling.
 
Like talking to a wall...I already explained the benefits of school and the ceilings you will hit without schooling.
which is false if you're good at what you're doing.  They don't care about a piece of paper if you bring results
 
Many people in here misinformed about the tech world/ coding.

1- Most new coders did not learn how to code in college.

I can attest to this as many people are taking workshops and bootcamps outside of college. I personally learned from sites/online courses. Out of everyone I met in the development world, I have yet to meet a programmer who learned in college as mobile app development wasn't(still isn't in many cases) available. These are still relatively new languages and development.

2- Coders have to code forever/don't own anything.

Yes and no. Aside from coders creating profitable startups/companies on their own, due to the competitive market and culture equity is usually offered to programmers. The average web/mobile developer gets paid more than 6 figures in NYC/SF(P.S. currently hiring an NYC iOS developer PM if interested). Just like any field there are some people who enjoy working as a coding and writing applications everyday. It's something that will become increasingly important as technology progresses, and programming isn't going away any time soon.

3 - Dropping out of high school isn't recommended, but college is overrated for many careers/industries.

For many fields, including development and IT, an internship, workshop or creating a startup can be the most valuable learning experience you can find. I personally learned to code for a startup idea 4 years ago and now own/manage a mobile development team. My business partner did not finish college and learned design and development on his own as well.

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4- A college degree is needes to get a job in development.

In the tech/IT field, many companies could care less about degrees with the exception of a few Ivy Leagues with ties to Silicon Valley. Either you can code or design, or you don't.
 
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Wrong on so many levels.

You're limiting your opportunities in whatever organization you plan on working for without that "piece of paper".
No you're not, if you can deliver better results a piece of paper is not going to stop you.  
 
which is false if you're good at what you're doing.  They don't care about a piece of paper if you bring results

:lol: get in the field and talk to someone that can't get into managerial positions due to lack of education. With only a middle school education you won't stand a chance. Stop talking like you speaking facts. These startup kids you are talking about will never make it to higher positions with no degrees. Its 2015 not 1998, there are many highly skilled and highly educated people out here.

It's funny actually because a guy on the techexam forums was saying how he joined a startup and was the 3rd engineer hired and didn't get a big payout when the company was bought out. On the other hand another posters friend from the same company made a killing he was the 2nd engineer hired. There are no guarantees in this gamble you are praising.
 
 
And when you're referring to that "piece of paper" are you referring to your actual degree, or your academic transcript which includes the large list of courses you've taken and gained experience,knowledge and expertise from? Pretty expensive and impressive "piece of paper" whichever way you cut it.

At the end of the day, your resume is just a "piece of paper" as well. 

Be more precise with what you're referring to.
Real projects completed for businesses in the real world > Classes completed at a school
 
Unless you can easily nail the core curriculum of the CS program at a top engineering school, this is ridiculous. Just because you hopped on Codecademy one weekend and learned a few lines of Python doesn't mean you can "do startups".

Hold on, let me just go join the Lakers, since Kobe did it.
 
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How bout you look at the backgrounds of some CEOs, Director's, VPs, snd CFOs, im sure you will see a common theme.
 
:lol: get in the field and talk to someone that can't get into managerial positions due to lack of education. With only a middle school education you won't stand a chance. Stop talking like you speaking facts. These startup kids you are talking about will never make it to higher positions with no degrees. Its 2015 not 1998, there are many highly skilled and highly educated people out here.

It's funny actually because a guy on the techexam forums was saying how he joined a startup and was the 3rd engineer hired and didn't get a big payout when the company was bought out. On the other hand another posters friend from the same company made a killing he was the 2nd engineer hired. There are no guarantees in this gamble you are praising.
Do you have equity in the company you work for? Just trying to get a sense of where you are coming from since you claimed coders will have to code forever earlier.
 
Unless you can easily nail the core curriculum of the CS program at a top engineering school, this is ridiculous. Just because you hopped on Codecademy one weekend and learned a few lines of Python doesn't mean you can "do startups".

Hold on, let me just go join the Lakers, since Kobe did it.
Just because you completed 4-6 years of college doesn't mean you can have a high paying job either. I think there will always be some that succeed taking the traditional route and some that will succeed taking the route outside of college. It will take work either way, no one is downplaying the amount of time needed to learn the skills to make it.
 
Do you have equity in the company you work for? Just trying to get a sense of where you are coming from since you claimed coders will have to code forever earlier.

Company stock yes. I work with people that are 45+ making 150K+ that are still coding. Yal are living in a fantasy world it's not as sweet as yal make it seem.
I'll take my 72K starting salary straight out of school if that means job security. That Silicon Valley world is not job security. My friend at school got a "job" with Google and it's actually a trail of 6 months to see if they will keep him. This dude has apps on the app store , won hackathons, and a 3.9 GPA and he is graduating with 0 job security.

Yal are taking a small percentage of people and treating their situation like it is the norm.
 
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No you're not, if you can deliver better results a piece of paper is not going to stop you.  

That "paper" is usually a requirement to even apply for a job :lol:

If you're banking on someone stepping out of the box and hiring off of "you got dat special something... I just don't know...." :lol:
 
Company stock yes. I work with people that are 45+ making 150K+ that are still coding. Yal are living in a fantasy world it's not as sweet as yal make it seem.
I'll take my 72K starting salary straight out of school if that means job security. That Silicon Valley world is not job security. My friend at school got a "job" with Google and it's actually a trail of 6 months to see if they will keep him. This dude has apps on the app store , won hackathons, and a 3.9 GPA and he is graduating with 0 job security.

Yal are taking a small percentage of people and treating their situation like it is the norm.
What's so bad about coding making 150k+, do you know what most americans are doing?
 
Just because you completed 4-6 years of college doesn't mean you can have a high paying job either. I think there will always be some that succeed taking the traditional route and some that will succeed taking the route outside of college. It will take work either way, no one is downplaying the amount of time needed to learn the skills to make it.
I'm the #1 hater of college and higher education, but I also recognize it's use for many people. But what really rubs me is when people talk about skipping school to do "startups", since it's 2015 and those are what's cool these days. Choosing a trade is a completely different story, and you can make a lot of money from that. But looking on Techcrunch and seeing Uber and thinking that's you if you skipped college is moronic.

My bone to pick is that these kids advocating startups and tech aren't doing it because it's what they want to do, it's because they think it's an easy, get-rich quick route. Which is wrong. And to make it even worse is these same kids can't code and probably don't even know what an IDE is, they just talk.
 
 
I'm the #1 hater of college and higher education, but I also recognize it's use for many people. But what really rubs me is when people talk about skipping school to do "startups", since it's 2015 and those are what's cool these days. Choosing a trade is a completely different story, and you can make a lot of money from that. But looking on Techcrunch and seeing Uber and thinking that's you if you skipped college is moronic.

My bone to pick is that these kids advocating startups and tech aren't doing it because it's what they want to do, it's because they think it's an easy, get-rich quick route. Which is wrong. And to make it even worse is these same kids can't code and probably don't even know what an IDE is, they just talk.
These kids that are winning hackathons can't code?
 
What's so bad about coding making 150k+, do you know what most americans are doing?

NOTHING IS WRONG WITH IT THAT IS MY POINT.
These guys have a B.S engineering college degree that they received 20+ years ago and are making good money with guaranteed job security.

I'll be making 100K before I am 30 hell maybe by time I am 26 who knows, and I got a college degree currently pursuing my M.S. The total opposite of what you are advising. Which is why what you are saying makes no sense.

The startup route has no guarantee sure they will make 120K+ , but for how long...

Stay in school if you are really nice with coding you will get even more money by time you graduate. There will always be a new startup company and you can intern or co-op while you are in school.
 
Company stock yes. I work with people that are 45+ making 150K+ that are still coding. Yal are living in a fantasy world it's not as sweet as yal make it seem.
I'll take my 72K starting salary straight out of school if that means job security. That Silicon Valley world is not job security. My friend at school got a "job" with Google and it's actually a trail of 6 months to see if they will keep him. This dude has apps on the app store , won hackathons, and a 3.9 GPA and he is graduating with 0 job security.

Yal are taking a small percentage of people and treating their situation like it is the norm.
I'm not arguing about making it big(which in my definition is 750k+), I just don't understand why someone working in the same building as you making twice as much as being made out to look bad because he's old. It's up to him if he wants to invest/ or create his own business but maybe he wants to work there just like you are working there.

In terms of job security, aside from govt that can go either way for most jobs. I know programmers who have been working 7 years at Microsoft, same way I know people with Masters degrees that got laid off from UBS and Morgan Stanley.

Making it big is
 
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