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In the long run this won't work out unless you plan to code for the rest of your life.
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Why do you refuse to accept the idea/fact that school, college, and education will better you as a person? To be fair, your reasons for going to school is just a tad different from the guy next to you.
How Dense are you, you go to school to get the job, u intern to get the opportunity to get the job, in this scenario you are already offered the job.
How does it better you as a person and in what way could you not get it anywhere else outside of school?
Why do you refuse to accept the idea/fact that school, college, and education will better you as a person? To be fair, your reasons for going to school is just a tad different from the guy next to you.
Don't worry.. No need go schools.
How does it better you as a person and in what way could you not get it anywhere else outside of school?
which is false if you're good at what you're doing. They don't care about a piece of paper if you bring resultsLike talking to a wall...I already explained the benefits of school and the ceilings you will hit without schooling.
No you're not, if you can deliver better results a piece of paper is not going to stop you.
Wrong on so many levels.
You're limiting your opportunities in whatever organization you plan on working for without that "piece of paper".
which is false if you're good at what you're doing. They don't care about a piece of paper if you bring results
Real projects completed for businesses in the real world > Classes completed at a school
And when you're referring to that "piece of paper" are you referring to your actual degree, or your academic transcript which includes the large list of courses you've taken and gained experience,knowledge and expertise from? Pretty expensive and impressive "piece of paper" whichever way you cut it.
At the end of the day, your resume is just a "piece of paper" as well.
Be more precise with what you're referring to.
Do you have equity in the company you work for? Just trying to get a sense of where you are coming from since you claimed coders will have to code forever earlier.get in the field and talk to someone that can't get into managerial positions due to lack of education. With only a middle school education you won't stand a chance. Stop talking like you speaking facts. These startup kids you are talking about will never make it to higher positions with no degrees. Its 2015 not 1998, there are many highly skilled and highly educated people out here.
It's funny actually because a guy on the techexam forums was saying how he joined a startup and was the 3rd engineer hired and didn't get a big payout when the company was bought out. On the other hand another posters friend from the same company made a killing he was the 2nd engineer hired. There are no guarantees in this gamble you are praising.
Just because you completed 4-6 years of college doesn't mean you can have a high paying job either. I think there will always be some that succeed taking the traditional route and some that will succeed taking the route outside of college. It will take work either way, no one is downplaying the amount of time needed to learn the skills to make it.Unless you can easily nail the core curriculum of the CS program at a top engineering school, this is ridiculous. Just because you hopped on Codecademy one weekend and learned a few lines of Python doesn't mean you can "do startups".
Hold on, let me just go join the Lakers, since Kobe did it.
Do you have equity in the company you work for? Just trying to get a sense of where you are coming from since you claimed coders will have to code forever earlier.
No you're not, if you can deliver better results a piece of paper is not going to stop you.
What's so bad about coding making 150k+, do you know what most americans are doing?Company stock yes. I work with people that are 45+ making 150K+ that are still coding. Yal are living in a fantasy world it's not as sweet as yal make it seem.
I'll take my 72K starting salary straight out of school if that means job security. That Silicon Valley world is not job security. My friend at school got a "job" with Google and it's actually a trail of 6 months to see if they will keep him. This dude has apps on the app store , won hackathons, and a 3.9 GPA and he is graduating with 0 job security.
Yal are taking a small percentage of people and treating their situation like it is the norm.
I'm the #1 hater of college and higher education, but I also recognize it's use for many people. But what really rubs me is when people talk about skipping school to do "startups", since it's 2015 and those are what's cool these days. Choosing a trade is a completely different story, and you can make a lot of money from that. But looking on Techcrunch and seeing Uber and thinking that's you if you skipped college is moronic.Just because you completed 4-6 years of college doesn't mean you can have a high paying job either. I think there will always be some that succeed taking the traditional route and some that will succeed taking the route outside of college. It will take work either way, no one is downplaying the amount of time needed to learn the skills to make it.
These kids that are winning hackathons can't code?
I'm the #1 hater of college and higher education, but I also recognize it's use for many people. But what really rubs me is when people talk about skipping school to do "startups", since it's 2015 and those are what's cool these days. Choosing a trade is a completely different story, and you can make a lot of money from that. But looking on Techcrunch and seeing Uber and thinking that's you if you skipped college is moronic.
My bone to pick is that these kids advocating startups and tech aren't doing it because it's what they want to do, it's because they think it's an easy, get-rich quick route. Which is wrong. And to make it even worse is these same kids can't code and probably don't even know what an IDE is, they just talk.
Are you winning them? Cause these kids winning them aren't telling others to follow their path.These kids that are winning hackathons can't code?
What's so bad about coding making 150k+, do you know what most americans are doing?
I'm not arguing about making it big(which in my definition is 750k+), I just don't understand why someone working in the same building as you making twice as much as being made out to look bad because he's old. It's up to him if he wants to invest/ or create his own business but maybe he wants to work there just like you are working there.Company stock yes. I work with people that are 45+ making 150K+ that are still coding. Yal are living in a fantasy world it's not as sweet as yal make it seem.
I'll take my 72K starting salary straight out of school if that means job security. That Silicon Valley world is not job security. My friend at school got a "job" with Google and it's actually a trail of 6 months to see if they will keep him. This dude has apps on the app store , won hackathons, and a 3.9 GPA and he is graduating with 0 job security.
Yal are taking a small percentage of people and treating their situation like it is the norm.