Recognizing That She's "Out Of Your League", Low Self-Confidence or Realism?

 
Beyonce makes more money than Jay-Z though...
You guys are missing the point though. Throughout history, no woman with money has ever gotten with a dude without money.

Women marry up or across the social ladder, not down. A broke dude will never marry a rich woman, a woman who is his equal social status or below. Therefore, yes Beyonce has money but she will never get with a dude without money.

When is the last time your favorite actress got with her high school sweetheart who is working at Lowe's? Even though "she has money"
 
That's not true, not in the least. You don't even have to search far to answer your question. There's something off putting about crusading that hard about that point.
 
Listen homie. All these **** belong to the game.

You just got to appeal to what they like.

Usually, that's money and doing overall fly ****.
 
Have you ever looked at women and thought to yourself, "I could never have that"? Do you think it's low self-confidence or being a realist?

The only women I put in that category are big time celebrities.

Nobody gets put in that category purely off looks
 
I understand where aziatic77 aziatic77 is speaking of when it comes to money but it's not necessarily the "money" a woman is looking for, more so security. A woman of quality won't care how many zeroes you have in your account as long as you know how to handle your own business and be a provider. My ex is an accountant for the ritz carlton in downtown Atlanta. She's young and gorgeous, has 6 bedroom house and makes WAY more than me right now but as recently as last week was asking me to come stay with her and let's rekindle our relationship. I grew up with her and remember when she was this chubby girl with braces who had the biggest crush on me and I would pay her no mind. She has options and money, both things I've been limited in lately and she still wants me. Not one of these yuppies who try and take her on lunch dates whipping a 7 series. My point being is that if you make a woman feel special on your own, your funds come second. Now with that being said, you'll get more woman if you have money.

Also my mom's gynecologist married her mail man
 
Ok, let's be clear. I think everyone knows that no woman is unattainable if you are rich or have high status.

But without that, it would be difficult for many men to pull the women in the top tier of attractiveness, even with supreme confidence. However, anything is possible, and you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. You might be exactly what she is looking for.
 
You guys are missing the point though. Throughout history, no woman with money has ever gotten with a dude without money.

Women marry up or across the social ladder, not down. A broke dude will never marry a rich woman, a woman who is his equal social status or below. Therefore, yes Beyonce has money but she will never get with a dude without money.

When is the last time your favorite actress got with her high school sweetheart who is working at Lowe's? Even though "she has money"

Wrong. You've never seen that fat white chick fully support her black man without a job? :lol:

Go to the mall, if you see a fat girl, a baby stoller, and a black man with the saddest look on his face a human can possibly have, you've witnessed it :lol:
 
We need to teach young boys that girls are human beings too. They fart, throw up, stink, belch, and do everything we do. Once you understand that you understand there is no such thing as out of your league
 
We need to teach young boys that girls are human beings too. They fart, throw up, stink, belch, and do everything we do. Once you understand that you understand there is no such thing as out of your league

By that logic no man is out of any woman's league either.

I bet if this thread were flipped people would be talking all sorts of stuff about how they'd never give the time of day to a busted, obese, unsuccessful woman. Yet they say every woman is attainable to every man.

And just like any generalization, this doesn't mean 100% of the time, all we're talking are generalizations. So let's keep that in context.
 
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I understand where @aziatic77 is speaking of when it comes to money but it's not necessarily the "money" a woman is looking for, more so security. A woman of quality won't care how many zeroes you have in your account as long as you know how to handle your own business and be a provider. My ex is an accountant for the ritz carlton in downtown Atlanta. She's young and gorgeous, has 6 bedroom house and makes WAY more than me right now but as recently as last week was asking me to come stay with her and let's rekindle our relationship. I grew up with her and remember when she was this chubby girl with braces who had the biggest crush on me and I would pay her no mind. She has options and money, both things I've been limited in lately and she still wants me. Not one of these yuppies who try and take her on lunch dates whipping a 7 series. My point being is that if you make a woman feel special on your own, your funds come second. Now with that being said, you'll get more woman if you have money.

Also my mom's gynecologist married her mail man
There are a couple reasons why you're accountant-ex is enamored with you. First, validation due to your previous discrepancy in status. You were above her level at one point and unattainable, so to be with you makes her feel good about herself. Second, familiarity with you over some random corporate dude. From what I've seen, women would much rather deal with a guy they've known for a long time than a stranger, unless her past is sketchy.

What this really points at, is that dating and attraction is complex. There's no one blanket rule that covers everything. There are ugly men that have beautiful women, there are broke men that have successful women. However, if you are a broke ugly dude that only hollers at successful dime pieces, there's a good chance you may be struggling in the game. Just because it can and does happen based on different circumstances doesn't mean it's something that is re-creatable by everyone.
 
By that logic no man is out of any woman's league either.

I bet if this thread were flipped people would be talking all sorts of stuff about how they'd never give the time of day to a busted, obese, unsuccessful woman. Yet they say every woman is attainable.
Well women are doing to be desired no matter what so no point of even flipping it to be honest.
 
@DCAllAmerican Jemele Hill said something on His & Hers earlier this week that had me positive that she was an NT'er....

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Say what you want with the philosophic jargon, but YES, leagues exist. Money, power, then looks, In that order. Only in Disney movies does that not apply
 
Say what you want with the philosophic jargon, but YES, leagues exist. Money, power, then looks, In that order. Only in Disney movies does that not apply
Leagues are created by participants WATCHING the show. Not by the actual people doing the dating.

I am referring to people of the same economic status for the most part. I acknowledge that league.

But in terms of looks. Nah, I don't believe they exist
 
Say what you want with the philosophic jargon, but YES, leagues exist. Money, power, then looks, In that order. Only in Disney movies does that not apply
Leagues are created by participants WATCHING the show. Not by the actual people doing the dating.

I am referring to people of the same economic status for the most part. I acknowledge that league.

But in terms of looks. Nah, I don't believe they exist

Agree

I don't look at Beyonce and say "she's too beautiful for me". I say "no way would she date a broke resident"
 
There are a couple reasons why you're accountant-ex is enamored with you. First, validation due to your previous discrepancy in status. You were above her level at one point and unattainable, so to be with you makes her feel good about herself. Second, familiarity with you over some random corporate dude. From what I've seen, women would much rather deal with a guy they've known for a long time than a stranger, unless her past is sketchy.

What this really points at, is that dating and attraction is complex. There's no one blanket rule that covers everything. There are ugly men that have beautiful women, there are broke men that have successful women. However, if you are a broke ugly dude that only hollers at successful dime pieces, there's a good chance you may be struggling in the game. Just because it can and does happen based on different circumstances doesn't mean it's something that is re-creatable by everyone.

I believe it's more so a comfort thing. To that, money brings comfort but it isn't the only way to build comfort with a woman it's just the easiest way
 
Of course this is NT where everyone is handsome, but think of the other people that fall into the not handsome category. Best know that they know where they stand in the attractive scale
 
Of course this is NT where everyone is handsome, but think of the other people that fall into the not handsome category. Best know that they know where they stand in the attractive scale

Women can be as shallow as men but it's not as purely looks based so an ugly man has a better chance to date up than an ugly woman
 
Women can be as shallow as men but it's not as purely looks based so an ugly man has a better chance to date up than an ugly woman

Based on what exactly? I'm not saying you're wrong but what is what you're saying based on? I've seen it go both ways.
 
Women can be as shallow as men but it's not as purely looks based so an ugly man has a better chance to date up than an ugly woman

Based on what exactly? I'm not saying you're wrong but what is what you're saying based on? I've seen it go both ways.

Money
Status
Being in shape

Of course it can go both ways but men are more visual creatures so it's harder for us to date down looks wise
 
 
We need to teach young boys that girls are human beings too. They fart, throw up, stink, belch, and do everything we do. Once you understand that you understand there is no such thing as out of your league
It's not a matter of whether women stink or take dumps, etc. It's a matter of the value of the other men are interested in her. Unless you are a hideous human being, you could pull any woman on this planet, if no other dude was interested in her. But since you have to compete with other dudes, it makes the most attractive women difficult to get with.

Just like men, women choose based on what they value. Men value looks, personality, and sexual discretion. Women value a whole host of different things that vary with each one of them. A woman may prefer an ugly dude that they grew up with and was popular in HS, over a pretty boy with a Benz. They might value the guy they work with over the guy that hollered at them in the club. Their criteria is complex and sometimes not even logical. But that is what it is.

However, there are some generalities that can be applied to most situations. Most attractive women are not looking for broke ugly men. They prefer tall over short. They prefer men that exude confidence even if it errs into being a "jerk".  Dressing well and being swole helps. Being funny helps. Understanding these generalities can help you choose targets with a better chance of success. But they aren't hardfast rules that apply to every situation.

If a man thinks he's not good enough for a woman, then that is self-defeating. But if he knows that the competition is stiff, and that the chance of success is not high, I don't see anything wrong with that realization. Sometimes in life you have to be strategic.
 
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