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You are corny af.
Donald Trump is running for president
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I asked him this repeatedly. Dude said he's a broke college educated individual that's mad that he and his friends can't get jobs scrubbing dishes and floors because illegal immigrants took them. He never places any blame on himself for being a failure in life, just like the millions of illiterate Americans who think just like him.
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thats actually not true. The same group that published the number 11 million back in 2005 has been keeping up with numbers and aside from a rise (and peak) to about 12 million in 2007, the total number of illegals has declined and then remained fairly consistent for the past 5 years which leads me to believe that we have been doing a fairly decent job of keeping them out under Obama. Infact the 11-12 million range is broadly accepted by most immigration researchers and there is no credible source that states that its anything other than that 11 million (contrary to the unsubstantiated 30 million that Donald Trump likes to throw around) So that 3% is very accurate. And out of that 3% about half of them were mexican. So what would he have to change if the numbers show that the current system is doing a good job of keep new immigrants from coming in?
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/24/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...-trump-says-number-illegal-immigrants-30-mil/
As for the "illegal parents" of legal children, how would deporting them help in anyway? isnt it proven (and said by you a few times in some other threads) that broken homes are what helped contribute to the state of African Americans in America today? So tell me how breaking up a family and separating AMERICAN children from their parents? How are they supposed to be an asset to America if they are subjected to something that you and other conservatives have described as one of the root causes for the current state of blacks in America? And also to that point, why is "pull yourselves up from your boot straps" and "work harder" and "get educated" an acceptable conservative response to the plight of people of color in America but not an acceptable response to these supposed millions of people out of work because unskilled, poor, often times illiterate and uneducated people that barely even speak English are taking their jobs?
Again, not saying that illegal immigration is not an issue that needs to be addressed but it's definitely not anywhere near as big as republicans have made it out to be. Nothing but pure sensationalism. And but with people becoming more aware of systematic/institutional racism, white privilege, and problems with police and the justice system it is very difficult for the right now adays to cater to the very large and very ignorant part of its fan base. Which is why they are focusing on illegal immigrants and muslims. Just far enough removed to not hurt their voter turn out or atleast they think.
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Keep with the personal attacks my man, you won't be around much longer.
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That a threat? The emotions are running high on you? You that angry right about now? You can attack me but I can't defend myself and attack back and get even? You haven't contributed in this thread at all..and based off your many posts from other threads and a few here from the last month or so, you troll people and show nothing but straight disrespect...
And that's not counting all the images you post. Don't be a hypocrite. Just take the L.
But what about the term, "Hiding in the Shadows" these Democrats like to use. How would you keep track of every illegal immigrant? Not to mention how many kids are they having right now?
Deporting would help so it can discourage others from coming here. But I don't agree with mass deportation. And I never talked about separating families. In a logical sense, if they don't want to be separated, they can go back to their own countries, right? Don't they have "family" over there? And by sneaking here, they have already separated from their own family in the first place. The birthright citizenship law should be changed and only grant citizenship at birth if one or two of the parents are citizens.
An American should not be told to "work harder and get an education" due to the flooding of illegal immigration, that solution is the most absurd thing to ever tell an unemployed American. It's the government's fault for not implementing strict policies to help their own American people. Illegals should not be the reason why a citizen should work harder and get an education. Period.
Many Black Americans now have a stronger competition for the labor force with this uncontrollable illegal immigrant invasion. Would you agree?
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Civility may not matter to Trump supporters, but it matters to us at NikeTalk.
Anyone who can't handle a discussion like this one without resorting to personal attacks or otherwise violating the rules will be removed from the thread and, if necessary, from the entire site.
Leave the childish squabbling to the debate participants.
Anyone who can't handle a discussion like this one without resorting to personal attacks or otherwise violating the rules will be removed from the thread and, if necessary, from the entire site.
Leave the childish squabbling to the debate participants.
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your entire premise operates on the assumption that there is an "uncontrollable illegal immigrant invasion". Every credible research group inlcuding the department of homeland security back the fact that there are between 11-12 million illegal immigrants in this country and it has stayed that way for the past 5 years. If consistency doesn't equate to controlled illegal immigration what does? Show me something credible that states that there is an "uncontrollable illegal immigrant invasion" going on? show me something credible that says that all of these illegals are reproducing with eachother as opposed to actual Americans. give me something thats not based in paranoia and sensationalized claims.
so under what circumstance do conservatives find it justifiable to tell blacks and people of color to work harder as a race? because theyve been doing it for years and I still dont get how they find it warranted
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Trump is running a campaign with no facts, details or plans. I heard part of his speech today in SC, dude couldn't stay on one topic long enough to even make a point. At this point I think he's just trolling.
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A threat? Not at all, straight facts. I'm not emotional nor am I upset, you on the other hand have that completely sewed up. I don't have to resort to personal attacks like you, the arguement and stance you have is just as ridiculous as the generalization attacks you launch in. All one can really do is just shake their head in astonishment at your stance. Debating you is pointless, it has nothing to do with winning or losing either. Your stance on this subject is the real "L". Kudos to looking up older post of mine and attempting to make them look like you have a valid point. Just like Fox News, you take sound bites of conversations and twist them out of context. Keep doing your thing though, it's only a matter of time before you slip and Meth ghost you.
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Surprised you didn't figure this out on day 1 when he announced his run.
He doesn't want to win.
You could've just ignored him, which would've been much easier and taken up less of your time.
And what's up with the personal ad hominem attacks on both sides in this topic? It's disconcerting how many jimmies got rustled over this.
Come on, NT fam. We're better than that.
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It's true though, I know I sound cliche but millions of people labored for voting rights in this country, the least we can do is exercise that right. All you are doing if you don't vote is making the bigots vote who does that much more pertinent. The whole I would vote for ___ but they don't have a chance to win is a cop out. Vote for yourself for all I care, but everyone should vote. Just my 2
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Yes!
Because the only elections we have are for president, and there are only two options
-Local and state elections I would argue and just as, or many times more important, and you can always vote third party. Hell believe the Presidential candidate part blank for all I care, but one of the reason so much nonsense gets slipped by is that the citizens don't hold elected officials accountable enough
Every notice besides the very rich, the groups that get their way more often than not are the groups that vote at high rates, example seniors
That is also partly why the Tea Party has so much influence while being such a relatively small group
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Simply put. Trump is a joke of a candidate for the republican party and is pretty much making a mockery of the process KNOWING he has zero chance at becoming the president. The right will eventually put a stop to the madness and put out some dirt on the low…Bet.
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Yea, can you just block me? Seriously.
jdfrenchbread23 It's still hard to believe that from 2005, to 2015, 10 years, that the total illegal immigrant population has stayed around 11 million. I think it's the 11 million that they've discovered, but there are many more in hiding. It has to be propaganda. Also from your link I got
Seems a lot of illegal immigrants stealing jobs (or attempting to) huh?
Also, I'm not rooting for Trump anymore. I'm more looking at Ben Carson and that one Republican lady. But still undecided at this point, but I'll never vote a Democrat ever again.
Also why do you have to keep bringing up the race thing? I'm referring to Americans as a whole. It's not right to tell an American in general, "Oh work harder or get an education because of these illegal immigrants". That's a pretty ridiculous statement. But you can tell an American, "Oh work harder and get an education because you want to support your kids" which seems understandable. Illegal immigrants do not have the right to get an education here, but Americans, including Blacks have the right for an education in this country.
And you still didn't answer my question, does Amnesty for 11 million+ illegal immigrants in the U.S help the Black community? Just a simple yes or no without explanation is sufficient.
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Again If you can give me something credible that supports that there is an "uncontrollable" illegal immigrant invasion I will consider it but I'm not going to take your paranoia and your doubt as a reason to dismiss the data that homeland security and every noteable/credible researcher on this particular subject has gathered.
I keep bringing up the race thing because it's funny that "pull yourself up by your boot strap" is applicable when describing all the issues that hold African Americans back but it's not acceptable in this case? That's the point in trying to make. If conservatives are allowed to ignore the fact that school systems in urban areas are way under par, if they are allowed to ignore the fact that not too long ago black people couldnt even get approved for a loan for a house JUST because theyre black, if theyre allowed to ignore the fact that systematic and institutional racism still plagues the black community and blame all of their short comings on not working hard enough toward the American dream why is it not okay to tell the millions of people who jobs, according to you, are threatened by unskilled underqualified laborers, to work harder to over come it? thats point I want to make. And hopefully drill home the fact that that ideology is complete and utter garbage.
No I don't think the African American community will be negatively affected by Amnesty to the Illegals that are ALREADY HERE. What changes besides they start paying taxes when they become legal and they no longer have to hide?
also as of August 2015 there were 142,288,000 million jobs in the US. If every 8.1 million help one of those positions that would equate to less than 6% of jobs in the US. And that's only considering illegals working LEGAL jobs, not jobs that are specifically meant for illegals like working on farms and such. Stop painting the picture, or attempting to Atleast, that the presence of illegal immigrants is threatening the delicate balance of the U.S. Ecosystem
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How US immigration policy discourages foreign students to attend US universities http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120463/immigration-law-discourages-international-students-working
USA no longer top destination for international students http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/01/pf/college/international-students-education/
Births to illegal immigrants down by 20%
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0RB27U20150911
I was also going to add the "5 facts about illegal immigration" article but
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beat me to the punch.
Denying the numbers you don't like.
Any answer to that? Remember that you can't deport the kids since they are already American citizens. You can repeal the 14th Amendment, but you'll have to make it retroactive to strip current those young Americans of their citizenship. But if you do, we might need to reexamine the citizenship of those for whom the 14th amendment was passed in the first place.
How US immigration policy discourages foreign students to attend US universities http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120463/immigration-law-discourages-international-students-working
USA no longer top destination for international students http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/01/pf/college/international-students-education/
Births to illegal immigrants down by 20%
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0RB27U20150911
I was also going to add the "5 facts about illegal immigration" article but
frenchbreadbuilds
beat me to the punch. Denying the numbers you don't like.
Any answer to that? Remember that you can't deport the kids since they are already American citizens. You can repeal the 14th Amendment, but you'll have to make it retroactive to strip current those young Americans of their citizenship. But if you do, we might need to reexamine the citizenship of those for whom the 14th amendment was passed in the first place.
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How US immigration policy discourages foreign students to attend US universities http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120463/immigration-law-discourages-international-students-working
USA no longer top destination for international students http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/01/pf/college/international-students-education/
Births to illegal immigrants down by 20%
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0RB27U20150911
I was also going to add the "5 facts about illegal immigration" article but
Denying the numbers you don't like.
Any answer to that? Remember that you can't deport the kids since they are already American citizens. You can repeal the 14th Amendment, but you'll have to make it retroactive to strip current those young Americans of their citizenship. But if you do, we might need to reexamine the citizenship of those for whom the 14th amendment was passed in the first place.
Again, this whole immigration issue is being sensationalized just so that the conservatives who don't care for the numbers and take their views verbatim from Fox News can have something to rally behind. But the actual statistics state otherwise.
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I live in California, enough said, I would know man. How else did the children during last years child migration crisis get the notion to come to the U.S? But the fact is, is the "11 million" are still having kids here, so now we get an additional increase in population in the U.S. Term "anchor babies" and used for government welfare.
You brought up that "pull yourself up by your boot strap" term brother, not me, nor did I ever said I agreed with it. In fact, I don't think anyone has the right to tell someone to get an education or to work harder unless you are a family member giving advice. That was you. Quote me when I said "Black communities have to get an education and work harder" from my past posts. I more so implied black communities have to help each other out as opposed to not doing so. If you need to snitch on someone doing wrongful things in the community, I think it's necessary to do so. Richard Sherman pointed things out in where I said from way before:
From: http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015...man-seattle-seahawks-video-black-lives-matter
Again, he says this, based off experience. And I've experienced in illegal immigrant populated areas, you may not have met much, but I've met plenty. But please stop changing this to a black problems thing, this is an American problems thing.
And you don't think African American communities will suffer from Amnesty? First off, when you turn an illegal immigrant into an actual citizen, the opportunity for that new citizen widens. More welfare, more educational opportunities, more free healthcare (Obamacare, but I don't know what's going on with it), more job opportunities, etc. Like I said, this was from your link;
8 million is a lot, but how did they track this and how did they actually get jobs then? Tell me please. That's 8 million for a lot of African Americans instead, and it will be even more once they are granted amnesty.
I'm only going to discuss with one person at a time at this moment. I'll get back to you Gry.
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The kids they're having are American citizens who will feed into the system just like you and me. I'm not sure why their children are a problem? And just because you and I don't know how they keep track of things doesn't mean that they don't. I don't know how nasa takes the temperature of the sun but that doesn't mean I have to doubt that the son is hot. The department of homeland security is credible and I have no reason to believe they are not. Again if you can give me statistics from a credible source I have no issue with considering it.
I brought up the pulling up by the boot straps thing because it's a popular conservative ideology. And I assume from many of your comments youre a conservative.
8 million jobs compared to the total 142.2 million. In comparisons to the amount of total jobs no, it is not a lot. Just like the number of illegals compared to the entire populations.
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I don't hate the kids, but the parents are responsible. They're using the kids as key to live here and get freebies, come on, I know you think this is morally wrong from the parents. It's just a way to overpopulate the country as a whole. California is in debt. Why do they have kids here if they cannot support them? Since they had to sneak in here in the first place. Don't blame me, blame them, and blame the government, now I'm here wanting to make a change. I saw this interview with an illegal immigrant, the sad part is that he used his kids to beg and plead. It was sad, pretending to cry.
Statistics is difficult to obtain from people you cannot track...that's why I cannot give you data on who is actually here. You're asking for the impossible. You should really think about your data too and how and why it's realistic or not. To many poor countries, going to America is like going to Heaven. You should check out this link if you get the chance: http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/30/news/china-moms-birth-tourism-fraud/
I'm not a complete conservative, I'm half and half, but still voting Republican. Not all Republicans are fully conservative. I'm conservative at certain subjects and topics.
8 million is a lot if you put the 11 million into the equation. So by your data, 70% of the 11 million can come here and grab a job? And I thought illegals couldn't take our jobs...Not to mention that jobs data was from 2012, imagine the amount they can obtain in 3 years to now. Go to any country, ask for a job, they'll probably deport you on the spot if you show no documents.
I'm not trying to change you or make you vote Republican, but I'm just asking you to understand where my point is.
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I dunno, guys.
I feel like the whole "anchor baby" thing is just something that happens as a result of naturalization by birth, and that we just have to be OK with it. I feel like it's that simple, and I don't feel like there's anything wrong with it.
Having a kid in the US is a natural born citizen doesn't give you citizenship or make it so that you can't get deported. It just means that the kid is a citizen.
If that's not the case, then I don't know enough about the subject and have no problem doing a bit more research.
How is anyone in America gonna be mad about immigrants coming into the country? I feel like that notion is directly against American values.
I feel like the whole "anchor baby" thing is just something that happens as a result of naturalization by birth, and that we just have to be OK with it. I feel like it's that simple, and I don't feel like there's anything wrong with it.
Having a kid in the US is a natural born citizen doesn't give you citizenship or make it so that you can't get deported. It just means that the kid is a citizen.
If that's not the case, then I don't know enough about the subject and have no problem doing a bit more research.
How is anyone in America gonna be mad about immigrants coming into the country? I feel like that notion is directly against American values.
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Unless you're a Native American I'm not trying to hear your complaints about immigration.
Also, if illegal immigrants are "stealing" jobs from you with limited knowledge of the dominant language and culture maybe it's time to consider what you're doing wrong.
Also, if illegal immigrants are "stealing" jobs from you with limited knowledge of the dominant language and culture maybe it's time to consider what you're doing wrong.
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Stop it! You're making too much sense.
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go anywhere and they will tell you how necessary it is to have illegal immigrants.
speaking to a gentleman today he told me how difficult it was for him to find reliable laborers, americans are straight up LAZY.
i live in charleston sc and the hotels we were work at has some of the laziest staff..people blasting rap music out of their phones not doing ish.
then i went to orlando and damn that was a complete difference, those peeps were on it, whether it was food, cleaning, maintenance w/e those people were there to do their job.
people will realize once all the good workers are gone and they are stuck trying to hire the people they are repulsed by because they have no choice.
speaking to a gentleman today he told me how difficult it was for him to find reliable laborers, americans are straight up LAZY.
i live in charleston sc and the hotels we were work at has some of the laziest staff..people blasting rap music out of their phones not doing ish.
then i went to orlando and damn that was a complete difference, those peeps were on it, whether it was food, cleaning, maintenance w/e those people were there to do their job.
people will realize once all the good workers are gone and they are stuck trying to hire the people they are repulsed by because they have no choice.
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