Donald Trump is running for president

letsgetit22 said:

MR HIGHNESS said:

Tell me why you want her to win then....I'll give you a few hours to do your research and google her planned policies etc. Tell me about her emails too.

We're living in a time where women get more power, more opportunities and recognition. Such as Ronda Rousey, WWE, among other sports and female athletes and politics. Nothing wrong with this, but voting a President based off appearance is absurd.

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Umm... nah, I'm good. I've had plenty of "debates" with you. You have selective reading. It's useless.

It's funny to me how all of a sudden Trump is all for jobs in the US, when is a known fact he out sources. But he says he isn't going to do it anymore. Haha!

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Can't blame all businesses attempting to do that due to taxes.

Democrats = Increase taxes

Republicans = Lower taxes

letsgetit22 said:

MR HIGHNESS said:

Tell me why you want her to win then....I'll give you a few hours to do your research and google her planned policies etc. Tell me about her emails too.

We're living in a time where women get more power, more opportunities and recognition. Such as Ronda Rousey, WWE, among other sports and female athletes and politics. Nothing wrong with this, but voting a President based off appearance is absurd.

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Umm... nah, I'm good. I've had plenty of "debates" with you. You have selective reading. It's useless.

It's funny to me how all of a sudden Trump is all for jobs in the US, when is a known fact he out sources. But he says he isn't going to do it anymore. Haha!

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People who are clearly discriminatory always seem aloof to being that, so it doesn't surprise me at all that M mr highness is so steadfast in his support of Trump. It's comical, yet sad and pathetic, since there's a good amount of people walking the streets with those same attitudes.

^ You don't read much do you? My initial post on his page said I was also looking at Ben Carson...But you probably don't know who he is.

How will a tax decrease effect your life? Are you part of the very rich that the Republicans are targeting?
Doesn't surprise me that you would vote for Dr. Carson either. Y'all like those Clarance Thomas type of brothers.

MR HIGHNESS said:

^ No need to, it's already clear based off your trolling upon me.

And you didn't even try to counter my statements because you wouldn't be completely right.

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How many people have gone rounds upon round with you in different threads trying to educate you and you still deflect and post ignorance. Even Meth has tried

And you have the guts to put words in my mouth, and call me a troll

Shut the hell up B

ybyb20 said:

I wish meth would perma ban you its clear none of nt values your opinion so why keep coming here and spewing your "logic"??

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I don't know.. That guy with the blco username or something would give him a good run for his money in a 1-on-1 bigotry showdown.

MR HIGHNESS said:

I'm voting Republican, if no other Republican steps up, then I'm voting Trump, but I wish he'd apologize for some of his remarks. I don't think he's racist and people are confusing nationality with race, both are different. You can say Americans love their cheeseburger and Canadians love their maple syrup, but you can't say Mexicans love their tacos?

Trump at least speaks some truth and has the balls where everyone's' scared. There's a reason why he's leading in the Republican side. Not only is illegal immigration a problem, but all immigration is a problem. I've met many new immigrants not from Mexico, but from Asia, India, etc that are trying to cheat the immigration by overstaying on their Visas, offering to work for low pay after they get their degree, taking American jobs and many Asians are actually the ones having anchor babies here.

I'm also looking at Ben Carson too, Rubio and Jeb Bush are meh. Most people hate Trump because he's rich, and said some stupid stuff about Mexicans, but people have to understand, he means the nationality, not the race.

It will be sad if Hilary won, because we all know she will only win because she's a woman. And people want to establish a first woman POTUS.

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i think you are racist

I always wonder about cats like highness.
Like how did you get to NT, b?
I can't imagine a dude with your mentality copping kicks.


How bro?
How?

In before higness gets his bi-monthly Meth ether session

Diego said:

I always wonder about cats like highness.
Like how did you get to NT, b?
I can't imagine a dude with your mentality copping kicks.


How bro?
How?

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As a former conservative who joined NT, I can tell you the answer. A lot of white suburbanites love basketball and/or hip-hop. You do not have to care about social justice or why and how the unique culture of inner city America came to be. Rap and basketball and its cultural output is bright, fun and vibrant, especially if you are an adolescent from the suburbs.

There is also the fact that hip-hop is the music of those who are marginalized and those who feel marginalized. If you are a teenager or a young adult in the suburbs, you do feel at least a little unwelcome. The 'burbs are built largely for small children and grown adults. If you are between 15 to 25 in suburbia, you know that local zoning laws, noise ordinances and the general attitude of law enforcement sees your tastes and your presence as suspect and undesirable. Having a house party shut down or being barred from skateboarding at a park is not the same as what black folks suffer but when you're 15 or 16 and the police are called on you and your friends and you have done nothing, you feel like a persona non grata in your own community, you feel, at least a little bit, like a black person and it gives hip-hop relevance.

There is also the much more straight forward explanation that lots of white guys in the suburbs watch and play basketball. You see NBA players and you want to wear what they are wearing. Some of those guys, myself included, develop an interest in those shoes and want to collect a wide variety.






As far as Donald Trump is concerned; he is, strictly speaking, not a racist, he is a xenophobe. Blaming foreigners is a politically shrewd move.

The dominant theme of this election is the fact that, in the last 30 years, GDP generally increases but the wages for most Americans have have not increased. Voters are really starting to understand how fictional the American Dream really is. The way in which candidates respond is what defines their campaigns. There are really only three categories when it comes to explaining why work rarely translate into a stable, middle class life for most Americans:

1.) It is the fault of the ruling class. Wall Street, Private equity groups, corporate raiders, cronyism, union busting, too many lobbyists and too little public sector investment is why wages are stagnant. Bernie Sanders has favored this approach.

2.) It is the fault of the masses. Workers are too lazy to get a job, blacks are lazy, young people are entitled and lazy, women are too hormonal to hold down a job, workers are not skilled enough, those who do work must work overtime. This is the position of every Republican and most Democrats as well.

3.) Foreigners are to blame. Mexicans have stolen your job, Chinese are robbing us and if we have a better negotiator, we can change all of that. That is obviously Trump's position.


By taking this third path Trump avoid offending whole swaths of voters (with the notable exception of Latinos) and he does not upset big money either. Bosses and employees are being equally screwed by nefarious foreigners according to Trump.

If Trump actually does get nominated, he could be really competitive in the Electoral College. The conventional wisdom is that someone who is so unpopular with Latinos cannot win. While the Latino voting bloc is important, its importance is amplified by two assumptions. There is a belief that 72% of the white vote is the ceiling for Republicans and there is the assumption that Republicans can never get more than 10% of the black vote.

I think that Trump could wrangle every white vote that Romney got and he could, by way of his economic populism, get even more white votes. I think he could make inroads with black voters. Finally, I think that he unpopularity with Latinos can be mitigated. Mexican Americans hate him the most and they tend to live in solidly blue California or solidly red Arizona and Texas. Meanwhile, Latinos from the West Indies, who live in Florida, often times want to be white and Donald Trump is the angry white man's candidate.

He would still have to contend with Mexican Americans in Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada but if he dominates the white vote, he may be the first Republican, in a long time, to carry States like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. That would more than off set the loss of three relatively small South Western States.


That is just my educated guess, anyone who wants to disagree, I am curious what you think. In short, I believe that trump is able to appeal to all of the same people who Romney won but because his not quite as anti-black, anti-women, anti-labor, anti-youth, he can grab a few million more votes and thus win the 2016 General Election.

No way I'm tryna get caught up following up Rex post but I don't believe Trump is racist, sexist, bigoted as he may be trying to appear.

He's doing just enough to get the attention from the far right to build that momentum. The truth is probably further to the left.
He's a shrewd businessman...this **** is just business to him.

Rex I liked your post, but I think you're simplifying Trump's problem a bit too much. Also I think he could easily be painted as anti-women, anti-labor, and anti-youth.

Rexanglorum said:

I think that Trump could wrangle every white vote that Romney got and he could, by way of his economic populism, get even more white votes. I think he could make inroads with black voters. Finally, I think that he unpopularity with Latinos can be mitigated. Mexican Americans hate him the most and they tend to live in solidly blue California or solidly red Arizona and Texas. Meanwhile, Latinos from the West Indies, who live in Florida, often times want to be white and Donald Trump is the angry white man's candidate.

He would still have to contend with Mexican Americans in Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada but if he dominates the white vote, he may be the first Republican, in a long time, to carry States like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. That would more than off set the loss of three relatively small South Western States.


That is just my educated guess, anyone who wants to disagree, I am curious what you think. In short, I believe that trump is able to appeal to all of the same people who Romney won but because his not quite as anti-black, anti-women, anti-labor, anti-youth, he can grab a few million more votes and thus win the 2016 General Election.

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@Rexanglorum

Great post. I think Trump's got a fair chance, but at the end of it all, Hilldawg has way too much backing. I'd be really surprised if Trump even gets the GOP nomination.

Also, since you're a former conservative, where do you lean now?

No Republican is going get 72% of the white vote nationally. Not even Ronald Reagan got that high of a percentage.

Some of you guys' logic:

If the man has some good points, and I can't counter debate his statements, I'll just call him a racist, I'll just troll him because I have nothing else to say.

letsgetit22 said:

How will a tax decrease effect your life? Are you part of the very rich that the Republicans are targeting?
Doesn't surprise me that you would vote for Dr. Carson either. Y'all like those Clarance Thomas type of brothers.

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How will a tax decrease effect my life? You mean "affect"? First off that question is dumb because any form of tax change affects your life just as much as mines. I already said before last page I am not rich. This isn't just about me, this is about other people as well. As far as your last sentence, that's another dumb statement from you. You're implying I'm a racist basically...this has nothing to do with race, it's called loving your own country, and if people are cheating the immigration system by sneaking here, they shouldn't, and I'd want an end to that and make them come here the fair way like everyone else.

RustyShackleford said:

How many people have gone rounds upon round with you in different threads trying to educate you and you still deflect and post ignorance. Even Meth has tried

And you have the guts to put words in my mouth, and call me a troll

Shut the hell up B

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But it's okay if others deflect me right? From all those rounds, I've been outnumbered, and trolled like you're doing now, so just because I don't respond to the trolling dudes I'm deflecting and post ignorance? You make no sense man. Educate me? lol You guys speak more on a bias standpoint. As far as Meth, I have a feeling people snitch to Meth about me and beg him to ban me. But I'm not breaking any rules. That's pretty sad. Bro you seem angry, I think you just spend time on NT just a bit too much man.

japejapejape said:

i think you are racist

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How am I a racist?

Diego said:

I always wonder about cats like highness.
Like how did you get to NT, b?
I can't imagine a dude with your mentality copping kicks.


How bro?
How?

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Look at this guy, instead of speaking of the topic, he's going to focus on me. Not even bother to attempt to prove me wrong. He brings up irrelevant subjects. This is pretty sad. You shouldn't be asking that question if we joined in the same year. You'd know why. That was around the sneakerhead boom era. This era is the hypebeast era.

Dirk, I am not saying that Trump is a progressive but compared to Romney and Ryan in 2012 or Bush or Walker in 2016, Trump is not as aggressively elitist and out of touch in his rhetoric.


Slighted, I agree that I would still favor Hillary Clinton in a the General Election. I would favor any Democrat because Democrats have a slight, built-in demographic edge and that advantage is leveraged in the Electoral College. I do think that Democratic Party leaders are slightly over estimating Hillary and they are incorrect when they say that Trump is the Republican they would must like to face. The other 15 GOP candidates just do not present a viable path to victory. Again, I could envision Trump getting every State Romney got, getting Ohio and/or Florida and also putting those upper Middle Western States into play.


NikeJordan, I think you are right that 72% might be the ceiling but what Trump could do is to increase the white vote as a share of the total electorate. Romney had a lot of white no shows in 2012 and Obama produced the largest black turnout in history. Hillary could have trouble replicating Obama's black turnout efforts and Trump could be very good at greatly increasing white turnout.

Of course, this whole discussion is moot if Trump runs as an independent.


I also want to add that I am a Bernie Sander's supporter. I like his policies and I believe that he would be just as strong a candidate as Hillary. Sanders is the only candidate in either Party who is willing to tell people that the game is rigged. That fact makes him more formidable in a general election. America has very few genuinely undecided voters but it has millions upon millions of poor and working class adults who do not vote because they see no real choice. Hillary Clinton is the face of the establishment and contentment with the current state of affairs, Bernie Sanders can present such a radical contrast that we will be able to get millions of marginalized people to vote and vote Democratic in 2016.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

What's up with the ad hominem / personal attacks + shaming?

I don't know about @MR HIGHNESS's post history, but he has some points that can be argued for/against.

Mr. Highness us notorious on NT for race baiting and many derogatory comments about minority groups.

Dudes have tried to reason with him be civil plenty of times.

But when people do, he talks is circles and moves the goal post so much it is dizzying

If you knew his post history, you would understand why people dislike him so much.

It is like saying lets give Glen Beck another chance. Sure will can, but we know the foolishness we are gonna get in response

If you would have asked me who had a shot a month ago for the republican nominee I would have def said Bush. Not the case anymore, by far the republican's I know are enamored with Ben Carson first and foremost with Donald Trump a close second. The adjectives they use with Carson are "Presidential" Bright" and "Intelligent" 

I am not sure what to think, but I have a hard time believing still that Trump is the candidate with the best chance on the right. Bush has MAJOR money backing him, and I'm not sure Trump can get enough women to win. I do feel that Hilary is the worst, in my heart of hearts I want Bernie, but if it played out differently, I would vote for Omalley.

I will say that in order to win the presidency, simple campaigning and raising money won't do it any more. You need a movement, a political ideology to run on, and I honestly don't believe "keeping it real" is enough of a platform to win. At some point Trump is going to have to start coming with some real policy. IMO it's why Hillary doesn't have a chance, she doesn't stand for anything.

RustyShackleford said:

Mr. Highness us notorious on NT for race baiting and many derogatory comments about minority groups.

Dudes have tried to reason with him be civil plenty of times.

But when people do, he talks is circles and moves the goal post so much it is dizzying

If you knew his post history, you would understand why people dislike him so much.

It is like saying lets give Glen Beck another chance. Sure will can, but we know the foolishness we are gonna get in response

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Naw, it's all because a thread I went on the side of the cop as opposed to the black victim and everyone bashed me on that opinion alone. Since then, everyone's been calling me a racist, or implications of an Uncle Tom, an "SWS" etc. Basically if you're not a "SBS" on NT, you're going to be called a racist and troll, ironically.

Reason with insults and disrespect and anger Rusty? That's not "reasoning". That "civil" is a lie.

I've posted negative things about the confederate flag in the confederate flag thread, I've posted bad things about the cops in the cops vs kids at a pool thread. Some members here are not mentally stable, once they hate you for one opinion, they will always hate you. It's that mentality they got man, they're going to hold strong grudges. Then you wonder why this world is screwed.

BTW watch this short FB 2 minute video: even Black Americans, some are not going to side with the illegals. We need more of this type of support for all Americans. Americans need to be taken care of first before anybody, that's common sense.

I'm not holding a drudge

I just think you're a clown. Plan and simple

And you're reinforced that feeling time and time again.

So you can play victim all you want. I won't take anything you say seriously after your past work

I've tried to be civil with you in the past. When you were arguing that white people have a superior culture and values.

Remember that?

So please don't play the victim and act like the problem is with everyone else, and not you.

Blco has been labelled just as bad on NT and I made peace with dude after going at his neck a million times.

I give people chances, but nothing you have shown me makes me feel I should give you one

Rusty, that's where your own brain is messing with you. I never said "white people", I said European culture. There's a difference. Also again, I'm not a white dude. I don't think I directly said they're superior like you perceived I did, just their form of living has less crimes, more jobs, more money, etc. And I implicated that if other countries could incorporate European culture, their quality of life would be greater in terms of more money, better economy with more jobs, fixed policies, etc. In your own brain, what I implied is racist, but's it's not. When you look at the map, you see most of the countries in good shape are European and European culture taught countries.

If we were lost in the jungle, we hunt our separate ways to find food, I find and hunt an animal to eat, while you lucked out and come back to camp with nothing, does that mean I'm better than you? No. So I'd teach you how I hunted an animal for survival. But you're taking the teaching as an insult, since your mind would think I'm thinking you're not smart enough. This is your mentality basically. You're taking things I say worst than it actually seems. Culture is taught, it's not a race trait.

Rusty you seem to be the type to want to vote Kanye West automatically in the 2020 election.

But enough of this topic. Marco Rubio and Ben Carson from the Republican party better step up. I'm tired of liberals. I used to be Democrat 4 Life. But people really need to understand more on politics before they vote for someone just because they're female, gay or straight, or a certain race, etc.

And whomever the dudes who keep repping me, stop it, you're making Rusty upset, seriously, I don't need no more reps nor do I care about them.

Uh, most of Europe is @$#@ economically right now and has been for the past decade. Also, most of Europe was grimy and uncivilized as hell compared to everyone else in their hemisphere, until a)they were invaded and taugh how to become civilized and b)they decided to exploit different cultures to get ahead. I don't know where you're getting this fantasy of superior European culture from

Unlike whatever the hell you are, I'm actually part European and visit family all over the continent pretty much every few months, so I'm not "uneducated" or talking out of my @!@ on this topic.

SFC415 said:

Uh, most of Europe is @$#@ economically right now and has been for the past decade. Also, most of Europe was grimy and uncivilized as hell compared to everyone else in their hemisphere, until a)they were invaded and taugh how to become civilized and b)they decided to exploit different cultures to get ahead. I don't know where you're getting this fantasy of superior European culture from

Unlike whatever the hell you are, I'm actually part European and visit family all over the continent pretty much every few months, so I'm not "uneducated" or talking out of my @!@ on this topic.

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But compared to other continents? Also, I'm referring to some past. I'm not talking about today, but speaking of Europe and today, they have migrant/immigration issues of their own. Some European countries were conquered by Muslims. (Not saying Muslims are bad) Also, not saying all European countries are perfect.