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Ahh ya dont liked da tables turned huh?
If u gonna subscribe to faulty logic
This is what happens.
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Donald Trump is running for president
Ahh ya dont liked da tables turned huh?
If u gonna subscribe to faulty logic
This is what happens.
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Damn all you do is deflect. Especially when present with facts
Wall-Mart banned in NYC, the hell does that have to do with anything.
And I'm not admitting nothing. Besides a certain few, everyone will look at the nonsense you tried to tie to me as a weak, historically out of context, desperate admit to deflect.
Trump main draw is his white supremacy, I will not stop saying that. Most of his damn base, including you, seem to not know much about it except what Trump tells you
Trump is a bigot spew white supremacy, and most of his supporters are drawn to him for that fact
Because if they cared so much, they could have gotten the honest denouncement of NAFTA from Bernie Sanders, but chose to rock with the bigot.
U know by accusing me of "deflecting"
You are actually deflecting right?
U absolutely gave no credence to FACTS of
Trump's appeal to da working class...facts
That been presented by liberals like
Thomas Frank...yeah..do as i say, not as i do
[emoji]128580[/emoji]
What is economic appeal though?
Undoing NAFTA and similar trade deals are not going to bring back the high quality jobs that middle the middle class half a century ago.
And I would guess that a casino owner like Drumpf is not a big fan of unions, which was one of the major reason the middle class flourished way back when.
LINK 1
LINK 2
We have been over this
And you have not answer how he is going to pay for his tax plan that will cause major deficits LINK, when he has also said he is not cutting any entitlements, increasing military spending, and provide universal healthcare. Plus while he is going this he plans to extract millions of people from the economy
How is Drumpf going to pay for his?
Lets cut the person back and forth and discuss this issues.
Explain to me how Drumpf pulls this off as pay for all this? No talk about Dems, Clinton, left wing, nothing.
Just explain
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Thomas Frank is not saying that Donald Trump is great. He is pointing out the fact that both major parties have ignored working class people for a long time. Frank is not saying "vote Trump," he is a liberal who wants the Democratic Party to stop having its platform being written exclusively by Harvard Law and Business School grads.
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I never said he was FOR trump, i was using him as an example of da indictment of liberals as well as conservatives where da
Country is at now.
This is to underline da potential match up
Between hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump.
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Because all those dumb white trash racist folks feel that their country is being taken away from them and Trump makes them feel like he's the one that will be able to give it back to them.
They may be stupid enough to buy into it, but are you stupid enough to think that he's really going to do it?
I thinknthatsbyhe question you should be asking yourself.
I think once you get past the scare tactics, there's not much reason to truly hate Trump.
It's business baby, never personal.
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Do u really want me to post da exit polls
Of Trump's appeal with da college educated?
Cuz that thin rope u clinging to bout to
break
With your logic rap
Look man, if I'm preaching hatred toward Jews, homosexuals and women.....if Neonazis are cosigning, it's really NOT that weird.
People who went to Trump University and Kentucky Kommunity Kollege don't count. I've literally never met an intellectually sound person who supports Trump.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...reliant-on-less-educated-americans-heres-why/
There's a limit to the lengths you can go to play the "correlation and causation" card. It has been proven that video games do not increase gun violence. Trumps target demographic are a bunch of uneducated racists. That's a fact, however you choose to interpret that is up to you.
And yet...
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ising-breadth-of-donald-trumps-appeal/462327/
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Brah, why are you hinging you hopes on the fact that Trump, if he gets into office, we betray the people that put him there
He has a second election to run, he has to come through on some of his promises.
Even if I take out his bigotry, he is still bad, like very bad.
Go look at his tax plan, go look at what he is promising economically, go look at the recent interview he gave on foreign policy. Dude doesn't know what he is talking about half the time, and makes promises that their is no feasible way he can deliver. I'm not just talking about his policies like building a wall either.
No offense famb, but you telling folk to stop paying so much attention to his talking points on social issues. Maybe you should pay more be paying more attention to him in other areas.
You're basically making the case that people should give Trump a shot because he might be lying, and that he will somehow be way more competent once he gets the job of president .
That is a horrible way to pick a president famb
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If you think of politics as something other than business, you lost.
Hate it or love it, this is all business...or some form of it.
Money drives the whole world around us but we still want to think of politicians as people that want to see society get better.
Maybe I lost all faith in this, but I just don't see it that way anymore.
The US govt is a business and for that reason I want to see it run like a business.
These social issues are all a sideshow that I no longer want to buy into.
Decades later and we still having the same arguments about guns, gays, and abortion. I ain't wit all that no more.
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[h2]Gender[/h2]
42% of Trump supporters are female (MSNBC poll)
58% male (MSNBC poll)
[h2]Age[/h2]
2% are under 30 (Real Clear Politics, YouGov)
14% are between the ages of 30 and 44 (Real Clear Politics, YouGov)
About 50% are between the ages of 45 and 64 (Real Clear Politics, YouGov)
34% are 65 and over (Real Clear Politics, YouGov)
[h2]Race[/h2]
91% White (MSNBC poll)
[h2]Income[/h2]
33% earn under $50K (MSNBC poll)
72% earn under $100K (MSNBC poll)
28% earn over $100K (MSNBC poll) / 11% earn over $100K (Real Clear Politics, YouGov)
[h2]Education[/h2]
43% have a high school degree or less (MSNBC poll)
19% have a college or postgraduate degree (Real Clear Politics, YouGov)
[h2]Ideology[/h2]
65% describe themselves as “conservative” (Real Clear Politics, YouGov)
20% describe themselves as “liberal” or “moderate” (Real Clear Politics, YouGov)
13% describe themselves as “very conservative” (Real Clear Politics, YouGov)
32% involved with the Tea Party movement (Public Policy Polling)
82% support Trump’s proposed ban on Muslims, compared to 54% of Republicans (Public Policy Polling)
66% believe President Obama is a Muslim (Public Policy Polling)
61% think President Obama was not born in the US (Public Policy Polling)
41% are in favor of bombing Agrabah, the fictional country from Aladdin (Public Policy Polling)
1. Women can be stupid as well, stupidity doesn't discriminate based on gender.
2. 91 percent white speaks volumes....so the rest of the 9 percent includes are ninjahoods, ben carsons, and blcos. Not an impressive number.
3. Almost HALF have a high school degree or LESS and ONLY 19% HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE :x
4. 66 percent believe in bombing places that don't exist and think Obama is a Muslim. ...nuff said.
5. 32 percent involved in the tea party movement, I suspect this also correlates with the open racists in his campaign....we're not including the casual racists which would easily put that number in 90 percent.
6. Only 26 percent make over 100K.
7. 2% are under 30 :x , 18 percent are under 44 :x , a majority are old white racist people.
THERE'S NOTHING DIVERSE ABOUT THIS DEMOGRAPHICAL PICTURE B.
Get em
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I also don't believe in polls.
Remember when Gore had the election on lock?
Remember when Gore had the election on lock?
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Social issues effect people lives. They need to be discussed, always. And the argument about social issues may always be there, and the conditions facing people change.
Around when you were born, in the 80s, it was probably legal for a cop to shot a fleeing suspect, or you to be charged for being gay in the military. Hell there are still people alive that lived in the Jim Crow era, women alive that didn't have the option of getting a legal abortion.
Just recently a civil right era voting policy got rolled back, and as a result some states are targeting young people and minorities (especially black people) to make it harder for them to vote.
Arguments continue, conditions change.
I'm sure if a social issue all of a sudden started to impact you life, you would wish the people cared to solve it, or least debated it.
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And the United States economy is not like a business.
Bankruptcy courts can't save our economy.
Being CEO is not like being the President. Checks and balances alone make them very different
And if we don't look at social issues, and only focus on the economics, you're still ignoring like a third of the responsibilities have. That being Commander in Chief
Hell even if Donald could dictate fiscal policy, get everything he wants, he doesn't have full control over monetary policy
Brah maybe you should read this and get some more insight into the impact Trump's economic policies will have. LINK
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I don't particularly care about polls either. I think the election will come down to each candidates ground game.
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They really think he will stop pandering to all the racists folks after he gets in.
Laws passed by that idiot will affect you in NYC too. Y'all not immune from that BS.
Laws passed by that idiot will affect you in NYC too. Y'all not immune from that BS.
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Ninja wouldn't step foot in a Southern Drumpf rally and he damn well knows it. Neither would Diego.
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Lol he has a few people outside his target demographic, like one or two black people who live in Washington Heights, and I'm supposed to believe his target demographic is diverse?
Aka "u ainnt got da answers SWAY!" da NY
times & da Atlantic have both sited his broad appeal..
You dont have to believe anything, cept those
Is da facts.
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The problem isn't polls. The problem is that people don't know how to understand polls.
Very true what Lionblood said about rich people only caring about economics. Roads and a police force are ok too but not social programs or protection of minorities. I see this in a lot of my friends who are making $$. Suddenly the only purpose of government is to minimize the % of their paycheck that goes to taxes.
Very true what Lionblood said about rich people only caring about economics. Roads and a police force are ok too but not social programs or protection of minorities. I see this in a lot of my friends who are making $$. Suddenly the only purpose of government is to minimize the % of their paycheck that goes to taxes.
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Damn all you do is deflect. Especially when present with facts
Wall-Mart banned in NYC, the hell does that have to do with anything.
And I'm not admitting nothing. Besides a certain few, everyone will look at the nonsense you tried to tie to me as a weak, historically out of context, desperate admit to deflect.
Trump main draw is his white supremacy, I will not stop saying that. Most of his damn base, including you, seem to not know much about it except what Trump tells you
Trump is a bigot spew white supremacy, and most of his supporters are drawn to him for that fact
Because if they cared so much, they could have gotten the honest denouncement of NAFTA from Bernie Sanders, but chose to rock with the bigot.
U know by accusing me of "deflecting"
You are actually deflecting right?
U absolutely gave no credence to FACTS of
Trump's appeal to da working class...facts
That been presented by liberals like
Thomas Frank...yeah..do as i say, not as i do
[emoji]128580[/emoji]
What is economic appeal though?
Undoing NAFTA and similar trade deals are not going to bring back the high quality jobs that middle the middle class half a century ago.
And I would guess that a casino owner like Drumpf is not a big fan of unions, which was one of the major reason the middle class flourished way back when.
LINK 1
LINK 2
We have been over this
And you have not answer how he is going to pay for his tax plan that will cause major deficits LINK, when he has also said he is not cutting any entitlements, increasing military spending, and provide universal healthcare. Plus while he is going this he plans to extract millions of people from the economy
How is Drumpf going to pay for his?
Lets cut the person back and forth and discuss this issues.
Explain to me how Drumpf pulls this off as pay for all this? No talk about Dems, Clinton, left wing, nothing.
Just explain
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/us/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy.html
That explains his whole ethos.
But on top of that i already told you
By lowering corporate tax rates,
Addressing trade deficts, and stop being
Da world's police would significantly reduce
Our operational budget as a country as well
As spur new economic growth due to reinvestments on da American worker.
Trump is a Nationalist, his Pro America
Eff everyone else of u not paying us stance
is just what da doctor ordered.
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"stop being
Da world's police would significantly reduce
Our operational budget as a country as well"
But you're voting for the guy who is willing to go to war with any and everybody and on top of that commit war crimes.
In b4 da Geneva Conventions will stop him
Da world's police would significantly reduce
Our operational budget as a country as well"
But you're voting for the guy who is willing to go to war with any and everybody and on top of that commit war crimes.
In b4 da Geneva Conventions will stop him
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You posted articles, I posted statistics that show the whole picture which you obviously chose to ignore. Trump's supporters aren't even representative of other republicans.
85+ percent of Trump supporters want Muslims banned from the country compared to 50+ percent of other republicans, I wonder why.
But you're wrong and yet your questioning
My audacity of showing you you're wrong.
Meanwhile said a temporary ban..you
know Who else did something similar? Obama.
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"stop being
Da world's police would significantly reduce
Our operational budget as a country as well"
But you're voting for the guy who is willing to go to war with any and everybody and on top of that commit war crimes.
In b4 da Geneva Conventions will stop him
Rhetoric =/= reality.
Or are we still on board with da status
Quo of drone policy while playing whacko mole
With islamic terrorists? Ohh...
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Damn all you do is deflect. Especially when present with facts
Wall-Mart banned in NYC, the hell does that have to do with anything.
And I'm not admitting nothing. Besides a certain few, everyone will look at the nonsense you tried to tie to me as a weak, historically out of context, desperate admit to deflect.
Trump main draw is his white supremacy, I will not stop saying that. Most of his damn base, including you, seem to not know much about it except what Trump tells you
Trump is a bigot spew white supremacy, and most of his supporters are drawn to him for that fact
Because if they cared so much, they could have gotten the honest denouncement of NAFTA from Bernie Sanders, but chose to rock with the bigot.
U know by accusing me of "deflecting"
You are actually deflecting right?
U absolutely gave no credence to FACTS of
Trump's appeal to da working class...facts
That been presented by liberals like
Thomas Frank...yeah..do as i say, not as i do
[emoji]128580[/emoji]
What is economic appeal though?
Undoing NAFTA and similar trade deals are not going to bring back the high quality jobs that middle the middle class half a century ago.
And I would guess that a casino owner like Drumpf is not a big fan of unions, which was one of the major reason the middle class flourished way back when.
LINK 1
LINK 2
We have been over this
And you have not answer how he is going to pay for his tax plan that will cause major deficits LINK, when he has also said he is not cutting any entitlements, increasing military spending, and provide universal healthcare. Plus while he is going this he plans to extract millions of people from the economy
How is Drumpf going to pay for his?
Lets cut the person back and forth and discuss this issues.
Explain to me how Drumpf pulls this off as pay for all this? No talk about Dems, Clinton, left wing, nothing.
Just explain
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/us/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy.html
That explains his whole ethos.
But on top of that i already told you
By lowering corporate tax rates,
Addressing trade deficts, and stop being
Da world's police would significantly reduce
Our operational budget as a country as well
As spur new economic growth due to reinvestments on da American worker.
Trump is a Nationalist, his Pro America
Eff everyone else of u not paying us stance
is just what da doctor ordered.
Let me school you a bit since I actually work in the corporate tax field. While we might have one of the highest tax rates on paper, with all the credits and deductions that are offered to corporations their tax rates are at a highly competitive rate compared to these low tax corporate havens. And we have something that many of these countries don't enforce as strongly as the US does, protection over intellectual property. It's why a Pfeizer pays an effective tax rate of ~17% and not the 35% rate that they should hypothetically.
Taxes in the US aren't as high as people make them out to be. Now should we receive more services for the taxes we pay, yes we should. But that's a different debate. The bottom line is tax rates aren't bad and if you as a corporation are paying 35% tax rate, you better get yourself a better CPA firm.
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Damn all you do is deflect. Especially when present with facts
Wall-Mart banned in NYC, the hell does that have to do with anything.
And I'm not admitting nothing. Besides a certain few, everyone will look at the nonsense you tried to tie to me as a weak, historically out of context, desperate admit to deflect.
Trump main draw is his white supremacy, I will not stop saying that. Most of his damn base, including you, seem to not know much about it except what Trump tells you
Trump is a bigot spew white supremacy, and most of his supporters are drawn to him for that fact
Because if they cared so much, they could have gotten the honest denouncement of NAFTA from Bernie Sanders, but chose to rock with the bigot.
U know by accusing me of "deflecting"
You are actually deflecting right?
U absolutely gave no credence to FACTS of
Trump's appeal to da working class...facts
That been presented by liberals like
Thomas Frank...yeah..do as i say, not as i do
[emoji]128580[/emoji]
What is economic appeal though?
Undoing NAFTA and similar trade deals are not going to bring back the high quality jobs that middle the middle class half a century ago.
And I would guess that a casino owner like Drumpf is not a big fan of unions, which was one of the major reason the middle class flourished way back when.
LINK 1
LINK 2
We have been over this
And you have not answer how he is going to pay for his tax plan that will cause major deficits LINK, when he has also said he is not cutting any entitlements, increasing military spending, and provide universal healthcare. Plus while he is going this he plans to extract millions of people from the economy
How is Drumpf going to pay for his?
Lets cut the person back and forth and discuss this issues.
Explain to me how Drumpf pulls this off as pay for all this? No talk about Dems, Clinton, left wing, nothing.
Just explain
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/us/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy.html
That explains his whole ethos.
But on top of that i already told you
By lowering corporate tax rates,
Addressing trade deficts, and stop being
Da world's police would significantly reduce
Our operational budget as a country as well
As spur new economic growth due to reinvestments on da American worker.
Trump is a Nationalist, his Pro America
Eff everyone else of u not paying us stance
is just what da doctor ordered.
You didn't answer my question.
Trump needs the economy to growth above 90s levels for an expended period of time to cover. Not to mention the FED might want to reign it in if they feel it is heating over heated
He is not cutting military spending. He has either said it would either say the same, or increase.
He is not cutting entitlements, and he is promising universal healthcare.
And I even provided you with articles show that these high quality, union backed manufacturing jobs aren't going comeback in force
Supply side policies have fallen flat on their face in the past, even if they spur economic growth if will wouldn't be enough to cover everything famb.
Remember Reagan slashed taxes, and increased spending, which Trump is promising, and Reagan ran massive deficits. Even other tax increases and more growth could offset that.
Like the CBO is predicting 2%, lets make it double that, 4%. That is still not enough.
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Lol he has a few people outside his target demographic, like one or two black people who live in Washington Heights, and I'm supposed to believe his target demographic is diverse?
Aka "u ainnt got da answers SWAY!" da NY
times & da Atlantic have both sited his broad appeal..
You dont have to believe anything, cept those
Is da facts.
How is Trump paying for all the stuff he is promising?Damn all you do is deflect. Especially when present with facts
Wall-Mart banned in NYC, the hell does that have to do with anything.
And I'm not admitting nothing. Besides a certain few, everyone will look at the nonsense you tried to tie to me as a weak, historically out of context, desperate admit to deflect.
Trump main draw is his white supremacy, I will not stop saying that. Most of his damn base, including you, seem to not know much about it except what Trump tells you
Trump is a bigot spew white supremacy, and most of his supporters are drawn to him for that fact
Because if they cared so much, they could have gotten the honest denouncement of NAFTA from Bernie Sanders, but chose to rock with the bigot.
U know by accusing me of "deflecting"
You are actually deflecting right?
U absolutely gave no credence to FACTS of
Trump's appeal to da working class...facts
That been presented by liberals like
Thomas Frank...yeah..do as i say, not as i do
[emoji]128580[/emoji]
What is economic appeal though?
Undoing NAFTA and similar trade deals are not going to bring back the high quality jobs that middle the middle class half a century ago.
And I would guess that a casino owner like Drumpf is not a big fan of unions, which was one of the major reason the middle class flourished way back when.
LINK 1
LINK 2
We have been over this
And you have not answer how he is going to pay for his tax plan that will cause major deficits LINK, when he has also said he is not cutting any entitlements, increasing military spending, and provide universal healthcare. Plus while he is going this he plans to extract millions of people from the economy
How is Drumpf going to pay for his?
Lets cut the person back and forth and discuss this issues.
Explain to me how Drumpf pulls this off as pay for all this? No talk about Dems, Clinton, left wing, nothing.
Just explain
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/us/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy.html
That explains his whole ethos.
But on top of that i already told you
By lowering corporate tax rates,
Addressing trade deficts, and stop being
Da world's police would significantly reduce
Our operational budget as a country as well
As spur new economic growth due to reinvestments on da American worker.
Trump is a Nationalist, his Pro America
Eff everyone else of u not paying us stance
is just what da doctor ordered.
You didn't answer my question.
Trump needs the economy to growth above 90s levels for an expended period of time to cover. Not to mention the FED might want to reign it in if they feel it is heating over heated
He is not cutting military spending. He has either said it would either say the same, or increase.
He is not cutting entitlements, and he is promising universal healthcare.
And I even provided you with articles show that these high quality, union backed manufacturing jobs aren't going comeback in force
Supply side policies have fallen flat on their face in the past, even if they spur economic growth if will wouldn't be enough to cover everything famb.
Remember Reagan slashed taxes, and increased spending, which Trump is promising, and Reagan ran massive deficits. Even other tax increases and more growth could offset that.
Like the CBO is predicting 2%, lets make it double that, 4%. That is still not enough.
His policies need a 10% GDP growth to run without a deficit. Somethings that's unrealistic.
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