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THE 2015 NBA PRE SEASON THREAD: BEST WISHES TO LAMAR ODOM
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I hope he steps up in a big way.
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Zach Lowe: "My most interesting free agent is Dwyane Wade ... I think the dynamics are fascinating. The dynamics with the team going forward are fascinating. What's your latest Dwyane Wade buzz?"
Marc Stein: "The only reason I can't get there is that I still can't talk myself into the idea that he's actually going to leave. If you look at it, I'm not sure I see where the market is for him for the dollars he wants. I don't believe he's going to Cleveland, I mean how could they pay him. They have no mechanisms to pay him. No matter how frosty things might be right now between Wade and Heat management, is he really going to go take some $3 million/year deal just because he's that angry? I don't see it. I just think at the end of the day they're going to figure this out, but, yeah, the fact that it's gotten to this point and there's clearly wounded feelings on both sides ... I don't think any of us really saw this coming. I mean Wade is a Heat lifer, and I can't remember exactly who started this, our boy Simmons is the one who comes to mind, because I thought it was a year or two ago he was really mouthing this campaign on Twitter. There needs to be a salary cap break for guys like Wade, Duncan, Nowitzki. These guys who play a lot of years for one team. There really should be a cap break. It just sucks that Wade's obviously worth more than he's been getting, but to build a team around him, I mean you need to take less. It's just not right. That is a major flaw in the system."
Zach Lowe: Power agent David Falk, famously represented Michael Jordan and Patrick Ewing, has proposed something like that, where every team gets to have like a separate one-player salary cap. Almost like a designated player type of thing, although it doesn't come with any franchise tag implications like the NFL. You just get to deserve a guy that does not count toward your salary cap, and his idea is like 'That's your max salary slot.' But, look, I like this idea of sort of the reward-you-for-your-legacy Kobe Bryant salary spot."
Marc Stein: [Yeah], you pay them $25 million but they only count have or whatever.
Marc Stein: "The only reason I can't get there is that I still can't talk myself into the idea that he's actually going to leave. If you look at it, I'm not sure I see where the market is for him for the dollars he wants. I don't believe he's going to Cleveland, I mean how could they pay him. They have no mechanisms to pay him. No matter how frosty things might be right now between Wade and Heat management, is he really going to go take some $3 million/year deal just because he's that angry? I don't see it. I just think at the end of the day they're going to figure this out, but, yeah, the fact that it's gotten to this point and there's clearly wounded feelings on both sides ... I don't think any of us really saw this coming. I mean Wade is a Heat lifer, and I can't remember exactly who started this, our boy Simmons is the one who comes to mind, because I thought it was a year or two ago he was really mouthing this campaign on Twitter. There needs to be a salary cap break for guys like Wade, Duncan, Nowitzki. These guys who play a lot of years for one team. There really should be a cap break. It just sucks that Wade's obviously worth more than he's been getting, but to build a team around him, I mean you need to take less. It's just not right. That is a major flaw in the system."
Zach Lowe: Power agent David Falk, famously represented Michael Jordan and Patrick Ewing, has proposed something like that, where every team gets to have like a separate one-player salary cap. Almost like a designated player type of thing, although it doesn't come with any franchise tag implications like the NFL. You just get to deserve a guy that does not count toward your salary cap, and his idea is like 'That's your max salary slot.' But, look, I like this idea of sort of the reward-you-for-your-legacy Kobe Bryant salary spot."
Marc Stein: [Yeah], you pay them $25 million but they only count have or whatever.
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They definitely have a chance to be a winning squad in the next year, let's not be irrational.
They made a great move getting Gentry who will definitely help AD reach his apex offensively, it's up to the FO to not make anymore stupid decisions like trading Nerlens for Jrue Holiday.
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I'll show you these hands.
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Zach Lowe: Let's not beat around the bush: The Heat want to be in the Kevin Durant sweepstakes next summer. If you gave Wade $20 million, Bosh is on the books for $23.5 million, then you give Dragic $15 million, McRoberts is there for $6 million, you have your draft picks including Justise Winslow, now, you're probably not going to have next year's draft picks so that helps, AND you have Hassan Whiteside who looks really cheap, but since you don't have his bird rights when he becomes a F.A. a year from now, you have to use cap room on him. If you have Wade at $20 million, the math essentially becomes impossible. If you have Wade at $10 million, you can get in the ballpark and start with some interesting cap moves (dump McRoberts, dump Shabazz Napier, whatever) ... that's the issue here, and it's really funny to me: Their best-case scenario with Wade was almost if he had opted IN to the $16 million he had coming this year ... so that a three-year, $32 million deal actually made sense."
Marc Stein: "Is the pipe dream of Kevin Durant enough to justify the pay-cut they want to give Dwyane Wade? You know, I don't know if that in itself is fair to ask Wade for how much he's given that franchise ... next summer, when Durant's out there, wow. It's going to be a circus."
Zach Lowe: "Next summer, there could be 27 teams with max cap room. We've never seen anything like that."
Marc Stein: "Is the pipe dream of Kevin Durant enough to justify the pay-cut they want to give Dwyane Wade? You know, I don't know if that in itself is fair to ask Wade for how much he's given that franchise ... next summer, when Durant's out there, wow. It's going to be a circus."
Zach Lowe: "Next summer, there could be 27 teams with max cap room. We've never seen anything like that."
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Anthony Davis isnt going anywhere though, you might as well not even entertain the idea. Just like people thought Kyrie was going to leave, its not happening.
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Sure, if they can be better next season, that'd be great. But if they don't and the team stalls or whatever, and they continue to stall over the years, Davis will be stuck with them for 5 years. He should put pressure on the Pelicans by opting for something short, and if he doesn't like what he sees, he can bounce.
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Zach Lowe: Chris Broussard reported, that DeAndre Jordan - no matter WHO he signs with - wants a three-year deal with a player option so that he can get into free agency when the cap is at $100 million, so that if he gets another max deal, he gets really paid. There's also a lockout variable hanging all over us. 3+1 to me, is a really interesting length. It undercuts the Clippers home-team advantage, because all of a sudden the five-year deal they can offer is meaningless. And it's not like - everybody's looking for the guys that are going to sign the 1+1's, you know, the guys who are REALLY going to risk it to get back into free agency as soon as possible. My feeling after talking to a lot of agents and a lot of GMs is, I don't think we're going to see a lot of guys go that short. I think 3+1 and even 4+1, maybe 2+1 on the very low end, is about as short is it's going to get. Is there anybody out there that's really going to go one year and an option?
Marc Stein: "Well LeBron, he'll go short - and the reason LeBron is important: If you're Kevin Love, and Cleveland offers you five years, if LeBron's on a 1+1, what do you do? Do you really want to sign for five years in Cleveland if LeBron's only there 1+1? Realistically, we really don't think LeBron's ever going to play for another team. But it's the NBA - who can say anything with certainty. This question has been coming up a ton, and I hate to say it, but I think the answer is 'We don't really know yet', because I think the agents themselves are trying to figure it out.
Marc Stein: "Well LeBron, he'll go short - and the reason LeBron is important: If you're Kevin Love, and Cleveland offers you five years, if LeBron's on a 1+1, what do you do? Do you really want to sign for five years in Cleveland if LeBron's only there 1+1? Realistically, we really don't think LeBron's ever going to play for another team. But it's the NBA - who can say anything with certainty. This question has been coming up a ton, and I hate to say it, but I think the answer is 'We don't really know yet', because I think the agents themselves are trying to figure it out.
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Thundercat reunion?
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But I thought he was going to the Lakers along with Westbrook, Love, Aldridge, Cousins, and KD?
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But I thought he was going to the Lakers along with Westbrook, Love, Aldridge, Cousins, and KD?
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On Kawhi Leonard:
Zach Lowe: "Well let's go through some of these deals, because I think the contract length is interesting ... I think Kawhi Leonard will take the full five years if the Spurs offer it."
Marc Stein: Yes, yes. Yes, on that one I co-sign.
More on Love/LeBron:
Zach Lowe: "Kevin Love is 26-years-old, without checking, and yet I still think that given his injury history, that he's going to err on the side of long. Now, I don't know if that's five, but 4+1 is in play, which keeps him in Cleveland. Or, if he leaves, I think straight four or 3+1."
Marc Stein: "For LeBron to leave he and Gilbert would have to have the mother of all falling outs ... so, it probably, it wouldn't be that risky for Love to do what you're saying."
On DeAndre Jordan:
Zach Lowe: Where do you think he goes?
Marc Stein: I've really thought that's it's Mavs or Clippers ... now the Knicks, the Knicks think otherwise. The Knicks think they're in there. What I would say is, though, I have heard the skepticism of whether DeAndre can really bring himself to leave Hollywood, where he's really comfortable and enjoys it so much: I think that's a legit thing to throw out there, besides the fact that the Clippers want to pay him zillions of dollars and Doc Rivers showers love on him at every opportunity. So I think the Clippers are going to be hard to walk away from for him. I'll tell you what, when Broussard put that report out this morning, I know there was uh a fair, I live in the Dallas area, you can hear the celebrating from the streets out here, because, obviously, like you said, it negates that advantage. The Clippers were out of the playoffs for two seconds when Rivers was saying, 'We're maxing this guy' and if he doesn't want a five-year deal, that helps Dallas in a big way."
Zach Lowe: "Well let's go through some of these deals, because I think the contract length is interesting ... I think Kawhi Leonard will take the full five years if the Spurs offer it."
Marc Stein: Yes, yes. Yes, on that one I co-sign.
More on Love/LeBron:
Zach Lowe: "Kevin Love is 26-years-old, without checking, and yet I still think that given his injury history, that he's going to err on the side of long. Now, I don't know if that's five, but 4+1 is in play, which keeps him in Cleveland. Or, if he leaves, I think straight four or 3+1."
Marc Stein: "For LeBron to leave he and Gilbert would have to have the mother of all falling outs ... so, it probably, it wouldn't be that risky for Love to do what you're saying."
On DeAndre Jordan:
Zach Lowe: Where do you think he goes?
Marc Stein: I've really thought that's it's Mavs or Clippers ... now the Knicks, the Knicks think otherwise. The Knicks think they're in there. What I would say is, though, I have heard the skepticism of whether DeAndre can really bring himself to leave Hollywood, where he's really comfortable and enjoys it so much: I think that's a legit thing to throw out there, besides the fact that the Clippers want to pay him zillions of dollars and Doc Rivers showers love on him at every opportunity. So I think the Clippers are going to be hard to walk away from for him. I'll tell you what, when Broussard put that report out this morning, I know there was uh a fair, I live in the Dallas area, you can hear the celebrating from the streets out here, because, obviously, like you said, it negates that advantage. The Clippers were out of the playoffs for two seconds when Rivers was saying, 'We're maxing this guy' and if he doesn't want a five-year deal, that helps Dallas in a big way."
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I seriously have been wondering all day who is going to get one of the big names first Knicks or Lakers?? 
Or Both land someone significant?
Or Both land someone significant?
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