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Who will represent the Western Conference in the NBA Finals?

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lakersman3000 said:
i throw out pound for pound because people always bring up him being small, you dont get extra points for being small. 
jordan kobe wade drexler miller west ,allen . hell id have mcgrady as a better player then him. . i really dont see how his resume could suggest that he is top 5. 
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How are Reggie miller and Tracy mcgrady better than Allen Iverson? Neither of those guys are as accomplished as AI and I would argue that Clyde Drexler isn't either.

After Kobe Jordan and Wade AI could definitely be mentioned right there. Forget the pound for pound stuff, how many 2 guards have lead the league in scoring 4x, is a 13 time all star, a league mvp, with a career scoring average of like 26ppg or something?

You're kidding yourself if you don't believe that's a resume of a top 5 2 guard. Reggie and TMac low key don't come close to that
 
Even in Denver, in like AI's 12th year he was at like 26 and 7 with efficiency. That's a legit 12 year stretch where he was that elite.

Reggie Miller? TMac? Ray Allen? Drexler? Really? I guess if you wanna give rings into it for the latter two but Allen is more accomplished than all of these guys. Much more

I am not the biggest of AI fans and I actually like TMac more but come on. It's a stretch to say TMac or Reggie friggin Miller was better
 
dennistrane said:
 
A.I should had lasted longer in the league then he did. 
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wasnt big enough and once he lost his speed it was a wrap. a.i also had the benefit in playing a very overrated era of basketball . the early 2000s was horrible , when he took the sixers to the finals. 
 
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dennistrane said:
A.I should had lasted longer in the league then he did. 
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I don't know if this is actually true either. How many players stay elite for a 12, 13 year stretch? As far as elite players go, he probably lasted for as long as he should have.

There aren't too many Players in the league's history who are elite after their 13th year in the league. It's par for the course tbh
 
a.i may have a better resume then tmac but i really think tmac was a overrall superior player. a.i was a volume scorer who played the passing lanes well. his defense was highly overrated.  better resume doesnt mean better player. steve nash has two mvps and i think chris paul  is a better overrall player then him 
 
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During the era of PRIME Ray Allen, McGrady and VC. Iverson took a inferior 76ers team to the Finals. He had to score because they had no other option. The Lakers laid waste to the West until game one vs Iverson and his band of bums.

That playoff run alone puts him ahead of 99% his peers in that era.
 
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lakersman3000 said:
a.i may have a better resumer then tmac and i really think tmac was a overrall superior player. a.i was a scorer who played the passing lanes. his defense was highly overrated. 
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See, there you go with the overrated thing again.

Overrated in relation to what? I don't think anyone anywhere would say AI is a lockdown defender :lol: he was average on that end and gambles a lot. Almost everyone acknowledges this so how can his defense be overrated?
 
The Collector said:
During the era of PRIME Ray Allen, McGrady and VC. Iverson took a inferior 76ers team to the Finals. He had to score because they had no other option. The Lakers laid waste to the West until game one vs Iverson and his band of bums.

That playoff run alone puts him ahead of 99% his pears in that era.
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I think it's his longevity IMO. Like 01 wasn't even his best individual season. Or his 2nd best. He was legit 25 to 30 a night for 12 almost 13 years. That's unheard of for almost any other two guard.
 
shoeking2102 said:
See, there you go with the overrated thing again.

Overrated in relation to what? I don't think anyone anywhere would say AI is a lockdown defender
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he was average on that end and gambles a lot. Almost everyone acknowledges this so how can his defense be overrated?
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i used to hear how for his size he was a good defender. he really wasnt. yall werent around for  iverson vs kobe vs tmac arguments. i always thought iverson wasnt all that. 
 
Reggie Miller once again getting the benefit of playing in the 90s. If anyone was overrated it was him.
 
The Collector said:
During the era of PRIME Ray Allen, McGrady and VC. Iverson took a inferior 76ers team to the Finals. He had to score because they had no other option. The Lakers laid waste to the West until game one vs Iverson and his band of bums.

That playoff run alone puts him ahead of 99% his peers in that era.
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the east was trash bro. the sixers played great d, offensively they were bad like middle of the pack . defensively that  wasnt close to being the case.

 none of those squads were good tho. everyone knew whoever came out the east had not shot. 
 
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lakersman3000 said:
i used to hear how for his size he was a good defender. he really wasnt. yall werent around for  iverson vs kobe vs tmac arguments. i always thought iverson wasnt all that. 
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Meh, the difference between those 3 in like 02,03 era (the era I'm assuming your referencing?) wasn't that great to me. Allen wasn't a terrible defender. Not elite or good, but he wasn't terrible just average. Same with TMac. Kobe probably was the better defender out of the 3, but he had shaq behind him. Other than that, I can't imagine where the big separation between those 3 comes from during that time.
 
shoeking2102 said:
I don't know if this is actually true either. How many players stay elite for a 12, 13 year stretch? As far as elite players go, he probably lasted for as long as he should have.

There aren't too many Players in the league's history who are elite after their 13th year in the league. It's par for the course tbh
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He was an all star in the last year. Prolly could had made a decent 6th man then
 
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dennistrane said:
He was an all star in the last year. Prolly could had made a decent 6th man then
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Yeah I guess but what star player of Allen's status does that after being elite for 13 years? Most greats careers don't end that way. It ends pretty anti-climatic in fact.
 
shoeking2102 said:
I think it's his longevity IMO. Like 01 wasn't even his best individual season. Or his 2nd best. He was legit 25 to 30 a night for 12 almost 13 years. That's unheard of for almost any other two guard.
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I agree with that also.

TMac went up 2-0/3-0 and lost with Mike Miller. Ray Allen had Glen Robinson and Sam Cassel. VC had Morris Peterson. Legit scoring options all at the time. Iverson had Snow and McKie with a washed Mutombo. Iverson alone kept the 76ers relevant and competitive for over a decade.

None of his peers can claim that without All Star support at one time or another.
 
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people dont value guys like reggie and allen that can play off the ball i guess. its all about one on one play and crossovers. 
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I agree with that also.

TMac went up 2-0/3-0 and lost in his with Mike Miller. Ray Allen had Glen Robinson and Sam Cassel. VC had Morris Peterson. Legit scoring options all at the time. Iverson had Snow and McKie with a washed Mutombo. Iverson alone kept the 76ers relevant and competitive for over a decade.

None of his peers can claim that without All Star support at one time or another.
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this is so overstated and not true.

philly was a top 4 nba team. playing with bums gets you to be a top defensive squad.

  defensively in the nba that year while offensively middle of the pack. i guess iverson carried them to the finals on the defensive end right? 
 
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