THE 2015 NBA PRE SEASON THREAD: BEST WISHES TO LAMAR ODOM

[Vincent Van Goat]

Bledsoe, Reddick, Grant Hill, Granger, Turk,

Outside of Bledsoe all them dudes and the dudes I mentioned were all trashed by NT during their time with LAC

Can't forget Mo Williams and Odom either

Right or wrong...

 

[herbshuttles15]

Billups played well with them until he tore his achilles iirc

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Billups played well with them until he tore his achilles iirc

That was their year to make it past the 2nd man. Team was lit and Billups was playing great until he went down

 

[awwsome]

This is overblown. He really hasn't and the few times that he's saved us is outnumbered by the amount of times he's killed us with his poor defense, hijacking of the offense, and long jumpers. He was almost unplayable this past postseason man.

You almost can't play him because he needs the ball to be "effective" and isn't good enough to have that much of a responsibility within the offense anymore. And all of that is second to how bad he is defensively. If you are trying win a championship he can't be a key cog in the rotation.

Rivers is better for the clippers moving forward. Younger, can actually get to the rim, and is a good spot up shooter

Man what?


Jamal shot 38% from 3 in spot up situations while Rivers shot 31%.


Crawford has a 61.5% eFG% to Rivers 45 in spot up situations, once again, not close.


You can't even compare the two in isolation situations, Crawford is one of the best in the entire league, gets 1.07 points per possesion and scores 49% of the time.


Rivers on the other hand, is one of the worst. He turns the ball over 12% of the time to Crawford's 1% and scores 32% of the time while shooting 37%.




They both finish around the same clip at the rim, so yeah.


They are both horrible defensively but Rivers is even worse by all measure.


Austin is only younger, there's no way you can say he's "better" for the team in the least, you just like him.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

This is overblown. He really hasn't and the few times that he's saved us is outnumbered by the amount of times he's killed us with his poor defense, hijacking of the offense, and long jumpers. He was almost unplayable this past postseason man.

You almost can't play him because he needs the ball to be "effective" and isn't good enough to have that much of a responsibility within the offense anymore. And all of that is second to how bad he is defensively. If you are trying win a championship he can't be a key cog in the rotation.

Rivers is better for the clippers moving forward. Younger, can actually get to the rim, and is a good spot up shooter

Man what?


Jamal shot 38% from 3 in spot up situations while Rivers shot 31%.


Crawford has a 61.5% eFG% to Rivers 45 in spot up situations, once again, not close.


You can't even compare the two in isolation situations, Crawford is one of the best in the entire league, gets 1.07 points per possesion and scores 49% of the time.


Rivers on the other hand, is one of the worst. He turns the ball over 12% of the time to Crawford's 1% and scores 32% of the time while shooting 37%.




They both finish around the same clip at the rim, so yeah.


They are both horrible defensively but Rivers is even worse by all measure.


Austin is only younger, there's no way you can say he's "better" for the team in the least, you just like him.

Dat advanced stat either

But dude was quick to poo poo Deandre Jordan''s defense

Fox News man

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Dat advanced stat either

But dude was quick to poo poo Deandre Jordan''s defense

Fox News man

3 page discussion incoming....

 

[HIM]

Crawford and his efg% of 41% in the playoffs.

His offensive box +/- of -3 (127th in the playoffs)

His defensive box +/- of -1.2  (169th in the playoffs)

His VORP of -0.2 (205th in the playoffs)

Max him out.

-Edit-

Yea, I can't co-sign Rivers being a good spot up shooter. The only dudes worse than him in catch and shoot situations were Udoh and Big Baby I think

 

[comptonprince]

Man what?


Jamal shot 38% from 3 in spot up situations while Rivers shot 31%.


Crawford has a 61.5% eFG% to Rivers 45 in spot up situations, once again, not close.


You can't even compare the two in isolation situations, Crawford is one of the best in the entire league, gets 1.07 points per possesion and scores 49% of the time.


Rivers on the other hand, is one of the worst. He turns the ball over 12% of the time to Crawford's 1% and scores 32% of the time while shooting 37%.




They both finish around the same clip at the rim, so yeah.


They are both horrible defensively but Rivers is even worse by all measure.


Austin is only younger, there's no way you can say he's "better" for the team in the least, you just like him.

Talk to em homie these boys don't know

 

[a-friend]

Adams/ MCGary or Adams/Kanter

Take the money out of the list of excuses, is anybody really choosing Adams/McGary

Didn't think so

 

[comptonprince]

@WojYahooNBA   47m47 minutes ago

Sources: Oklahoma City still hasn't notified Portland about its intentions to match the $70M offer sheet to Enes Kanter. Deadline is today.

 

[nick.]

@WojYahooNBA 
 47m47 minutes ago



Sources: Oklahoma City still hasn't notified Portland about its intentions to match the $70M offer sheet to Enes Kanter. Deadline is today.

don't do it Presti!

 

[frshstunna]

Crawford at age 40 would still be better then A rivers ...he had a couple good games and now clip fans wanna give him more responsibility

Talking down on Crawford like he wasn't the only player off the bench that could consistently get buckets ...blame GM Doc for always having a piss poor 2nd unit which Jamal has no choice but to try to carry

 

[imlive365]

A team who has Crawford as one of there main parts will never win a title.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

So where was all this Crawford support during the playoffs when I was trying to tell all of NT that they shouldn't be blaming their woes on a bench player like Crawford?

Whenever the Clippers were playing there would literally be 5 pages of laughing emojiis and "washed" posts referring to Crawford like he was the main reason the Clippers couldn't get the job done

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

A team who has Crawford as one of there main parts will never win a title.

Main parts?

CP3, Blake, Reddick and DJ (defensively) should have been the main parts, not a 35+ bench player who should only be depended on to get volume points

 

[a-friend]

Shoeking and Wavy had a team of jokesters and co-signers that killed the whole rationale is what happened

Edit: not blaming Shoe or Wavy for their co-signers because those two actually believed and argued for their points, the rest just joked on in about it pretty much

 

[HIM]

 
So where was all this Crawford support during the playoffs when I was trying to tell all of NT that they shouldn't be blaming their woes on a bench player like Crawford?

Whenever the Clippers were playing there would literally be 5 pages of laughing emojiis and "washed" posts referring to Crawford like he was the main reason the Clippers couldn't get the job done

Statistically, he was literally one of the worst players in the entire postseason last year. I don't understand how, or why, people would defend that 

I wouldn't go as far as to say Rivers is way better (especially not as a shooter) but I would rather not have Crawford on the team unless we can keep him under 10FGAs a game.

 

[Lovetohate3000]

A team who has Crawford as one of there main parts will never win a title.

that's not saying much .
You can say the same thing bout alot of good NBA players.

From what I saw in the po. Rather keep rivers them jc just cause of age.
neither of them are that good.

 

[Brownstone]

Ya'll don't want Craword? I'll take him

 

[awwsome]

Main parts?

CP3, Blake, Reddick and DJ (defensively) should have been the main parts, not a 35+ bench player who should only be depended on to get volume points

Exactly, he's not their franchise player, he's excellent at the role he fills.

He played bad in the playoffs yes but I'll take the bigger sample size.

 

[comptonprince]

If it wasn't for his pops Austin might not even be in the NBA right now...

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

 
Statistically, he was literally one of the worst players in the entire postseason last year. I don't understand how, or why, people would defend that 

I wouldn't go as far as to say Rivers is way better (especially not as a shooter) but I would rather not have Crawford on the team unless we can keep him under 10FGAs a game.

Again, Crawford was not the reason the Clippers were not getting the job done. If you go back and read game threads you would get the idea that he was

The one apparent pattern in their series against Houston:

In LAC's 3 wins against Houston, the role players played exceptional, including Crawford

In LAC's 4 losses against Houston, the role players all struggled

Yet somehow it was always all Crawford's fault. Reddick, Barnes, Rivers in those 3 losses were just as bad or worse

Next season, the Clippers have more fire power in Lance and PP so Crawford should be fine

 

[Based Jesus]

 
If it wasn't for his pops Austin might not even be in the NBA right now...

He and Lin should be busy facing the b-grade splash bros in the d-league finals.

 

[pums]

 
He and Lin should be busy facing the b-grade splash bros in the d-league finals.

Lin isn't that bad dude just makes some annoying mistakes he's a good backup i still don't like him though

 

[HIM]

 

 
Statistically, he was literally one of the worst players in the entire postseason last year. I don't understand how, or why, people would defend that 

I wouldn't go as far as to say Rivers is way better (especially not as a shooter) but I would rather not have Crawford on the team unless we can keep him under 10FGAs a game.

Again, Crawford was not the reason the Clippers were not getting the job done. If you go back and read game threads you would get the idea that he was

The one apparent pattern in their series against Houston:

In LAC's 3 wins against Houston, the role players played exceptional, including Crawford

In LAC's 4 losses against Houston, the role players all struggled

Yet somehow it was always all Crawford's fault. Reddick, Barnes, Rivers in those 3 losses were just as bad or worse

Crawford's only positive trait is his shooting/scoring. He shot 34% from the field and 27% from three. Barnes had an awful series but how many times did you mentin that JJ was locking up Harden? You pointed out several times that whenever JJ went to the bench Harden would start cooking. So yea, JJ wasn't hitting shots consistently but he was providing great defense on the MVP runner-up.

Rivers played better defense and shot the ball better. I don't care about blaming losses on Crawford. I just don't understand why people are defending his performance. Was he or was he not awful?

Barnes and Crawford were both trash that series.