THE 2015 NBA PRE SEASON THREAD: BEST WISHES TO LAMAR ODOM

[mister friendly]

So NBA MVPs dont count?


What about NBA Finals MVP?


Do you stats count?


Or just rings?

never said rings are the only thing that matter. 

So being intellectually honest how is Kobes career definitively better than Lebron's?

 

[rolaholic]

Why do people say LB chokes in the playoff? Lebron's playoffs numbers are impressive. Way better than what he gets credit for. Every championship that he has lost, the other team was clearly better.

Minus 2011 but aside from that year,he's always showed up in the Finals as well

 

[abematic]

 

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Too bad tony allen isn't on the Warriors tho 

That's if OKC can meet the Warriors.

 

[Lovetohate3000]

So being intellectually honest how is Kobes career definitively better than Lebron's?

just as good if not better a defender his first years, a way better scorer,

 lebron has him on passing and rebounding . overrall kobe is the better basketball player. its duncan- kobe

-then lj/shaq  . as far as best players after mj 

 

[mister friendly]

Why do people say LB chokes in the playoff? Lebron's playoffs numbers are impressive. Way better than what he gets credit for. Every championship that he has lost, the other team was clearly better.

Minus 2011 but aside from that year,he's always showed up in the Finals as well

The 2007 NBA Finals too

 

[abematic]

Why do people say LB chokes in the playoff? Lebron's playoffs numbers are impressive. Way better than what he gets credit for. Every championship that he has lost, the other team was clearly better.

His 4th quarter numbers are terrible. 

 

[tomdiginson]

just gon roll the window up on me while I'm still talking b?

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[Lovetohate3000]

 
His 4th quarter numbers are terrible. 

look at the 4th quarters this year. lj has pissed his pants plenty of times. 

 

[letsgetit22]

His 4th quarter numbers are terrible. 

Can fatigue be a factor? Dude practically plays the whole game. He has to run the offense and defend the best player on defense. We have never seen a player who has had to exert as much energy on both ends of the court in a game as Lebron.

 

[Lovetohate3000]

Can fatigue be a factor? Dude practically plays the whole game. He has to run the offense and defend the best player on defense. We have never seen a player who has had to exert as much energy on both ends of the court in a game as Lebron.

at the end of the day thats an excuse

 

[mister friendly]

So being intellectually honest how is Kobes career definitively better than Lebron's?

just as good if not better a defender his first years, a way better scorer,
 lebron has him on passing and rebounding . overrall kobe is the better basketball player. its duncan- kobe
-then lj/shaq  . as far as best players after mj 

But Lebron has a higher career scoring average than Kobe and has scored more efficiently so I don't know Kobe is a way better scorer..A more skilled or beautiful to watch scorer maybe

Lebron also has Kobe on blocks and averages more steals per game

 

[pjdabullsfan]

Now you know we're in the dog days of sports.


cats brought out old faithful arguments to generate conversation.

Fixed

 

[sea manup]

 

His 4th quarter numbers are terrible. 

Can fatigue be a factor? Dude practically plays the whole game. He has to run the offense and defend the best player on defense. We have never seen a player who has had to exert as much energy on both ends of the court in a game as Lebron.

defend the best player on defense?

steph curry played more defense in the finals than lebron

and the minutes he played wasnt anything special either 

 

[Lovetohate3000]

But Lebron has a higher career scoring average than Kobe and has scored more efficiently so I don't know Kobe is a way better scorer..A more skilled or beautiful to watch scorer maybe

Lebron also has Kobe on blocks and averages more steals per game

lebrons career high, kobe has ished on  it in 3 quarters. lj cant score like kobe. just like we heard lj say if he took 40 shots a game he would put up 70 pts etc etc. lj never the scorer that kobe was any way you put it.  there is also a lot more to defense then blocks and steals. 

 

[letsgetit22]

at the end of the day thats an excuse

That's not an excuse though. That's just an objective viewpoint. Also like I said, every team he has lost to in the finals, the other team was better than his. Including the lost to Dallas.

 

[Lovetohate3000]

But Kobe can't :

Assist
Rebound

The way lebron does

agree with this

not on the d tho.

i take it you are young and didnt get to see young kobe play d. ,. 

 

[pjdabullsfan]

Yeah Kobe in his prime could lockdown

 

[sea manup]

for the past two years the guy lebron was guarding in the finals has won finals mvp

great defender tho

 

[everysingletime]

for the past two years the guy lebron was guarding in the finals has won finals mvp


great defender tho

I'd rep this unlimited times if I could

 

[letsgetit22]

defend the best player on defense?

steph curry played more defense in the finals than lebron

and the minutes he played wasnt anything special either 

Nothing special? He played like 46 minutes a game.

 

[abematic]

Can fatigue be a factor? Dude practically plays the whole game. He has to run the offense and defend the best player on defense. We have never seen a player who has had to exert as much energy on both ends of the court in a game as Lebron.

 
at the end of the day thats an excuse

 

[Lovetohate3000]

 
for the past two years the guy lebron was guarding in the finals has won finals mvp

great defender tho

lj a very overrated defender. easy to play d when you are allowed to hammer people without getting called for fouls. dude once went two weeks without getting called for a foul. 

 

[mgrand15]

Kobe fans calling Lebrons defense overrated

 

[mister friendly]

But Lebron has a higher career scoring average than Kobe and has scored more efficiently so I don't know Kobe is a way better scorer..A more skilled or beautiful to watch scorer maybe


Lebron also has Kobe on blocks and averages more steals per game

lebrons career high, kobe has ished on  it in 3 quarters. lj cant score like kobe. just like we heard lj say if he took 40 shots a game he would put up 70 pts etc etc. lj never the scorer that kobe was any way you put it.  there is also a lot more to defense then blocks and steals. 

So?

David Robinson has a higher single game scoring high than Shaq and Hakeem, I wouldnt say David Robinson was a better scorer

What on defense did Kobe do that was tangibly better than prime Lebron?

 

[EddieDoyers]

LeBron has been an overrated defender

He was the weakest link for the Cavs D during the Finals
Even JR played better D than him