THE 2015 NBA PRE SEASON THREAD: BEST WISHES TO LAMAR ODOM

[awwsome]

There are plenty of dudes in the 90s that went to school for 4 years that never panned out. Joe smith, Michael olowokandi, Terrance Morris, Byron Houston, blah blah blah. Every one and done doesn't pan out just like every old dude out of college isn't an NBA player. College doesn't prepare you for the NBA, it prepares you for college basketball

I don't even know why you responded to that.


As soon as he said dudes had more "basketball IQ" and "fundamentals" I knew dude was living in nostalgia land.


The game is more complex from a strategic and analytical standpoint than ever before and shooting is far superior, so that argument is horse ****.


The product wasn't even as fun to watch.

 

[buc em]

I'll hold my comments on Hinkie and this Sixers rebuild till after next years draft when they have 37 first round picks.

Sad thing is there really arent any great guards coming out of college next year that'll be top 3.

Jaylen Brown is very good.

 

[AEA18]

 

[casper90403]

The game is more complex from a strategic and analytical standpoint than ever before and shooting is far superior, so that argument is horse ****.

I can agree with all of this though. Its way more complex.

But before i say more, how old are you? Are you even 30?

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Jaylen Brown is very good.

Seems like mock drafts are projecting him as a SF

I see Jamal Murray high in mocks (top 10), damn. Didn't realize he was viewed this highly 

 

[addict4sneakers]

The plumlee brothers were at duke for a combined 8 years and can't do a third of what okafor can do on the block and Jan was there for 6 months.

 

[casper90403]

The plumlee brothers were at duke for a combined 8 years and can't do a third of what okafor can do on the block and Jan was there for 6 months.

and nobody is arguing the Plumlee brothers would have been great had they stayed in college for 15 years. Some guys wouldn't have been great no matter how much seasoning they had

Is that hard to understand? I thought I was being pretty clear.

Okafor could have used another year though. But why? No need to really work on your game when money is being thrown around. Its all about getting to the NBA so your free agency clock can start

 

[buc em]

Jaylen Brown looks like a natural shooting guard to me.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Jaylen Brown looks like a natural shooting guard to me.

Feel like he could play either tbh

 

[casper90403]

Jaylen brown the kid going to cal?

What the hell are you guys watching where he and porter are playing in the same game?

 

[johnnyredstorm]

For that matter it's way too early to say Ainge failed too when they still have 2 more unprotected Brooklyn picks coming. We're judging Philly's and Boston's rebuilding efforts before the process has even played out.

Ainge at least has a championship pedigree to fall back on. Plus his team isn't that bad, he has a great young head coach, they were the 8th seed last year, still have some assets in his pocket. Far from a failure.

Hinkie is looking more and more like a con artist without a plan at this point. Next year's offseason should be the last straw for him. If he doesn't draft well and sign key veterans/role players to make this look like a real NBA team, he's gotta go.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Jaylen brown the kid going to cal?

What the hell are you guys watching where he and porter are playing in the same game?

Lol, na Brown aint playing right now

Chris Porter is playing in a tournament on ESPN with all former college/pro players. BTW, he looks EXACTLY like a D. Jordan x Cliff Alexander hybrid. It's crazy

 

[casper90403]

Porter was all dunks at auburn. Thought he would a tremendous energy guy in the league

 

[pmatic]

I hope you aren't measuring their progress by wins and losses.

I need agree the Embiid injury hurts, a lot.

The whole idea is to acquire talent thru the draft, right? Mcw, kj mcdaniels, embiid...how would you grade those moves?

MCW - Bad flaws, exchanged him for the Lakers pick which will likely be in the 5-10 range in the 2016 draft.
Embiid - Took the best prospect in the draft at #3, didn't work out to injuries (so far). Worthwhile gamble. :\
McDaniels - He didn't have enough value to fetch a first rounder. Should get a high second rounder from the Nuggets via the Rockets.

 

[addict4sneakers]

The plumlee brothers were at duke for a combined 8 years and can't do a third of what okafor can do on the block and Jan was there for 6 months.

and nobody is arguing the Plumlee brothers would have been great had they stayed in college for 15 years. Some guys wouldn't have been great no matter how much seasoning they had

Is that hard to understand? I thought I was being pretty clear.

Okafor could have used another year though. But why? No need to really work on your game when money is being thrown around. Its all about getting to the NBA so your free agency clock can start

But you're assuming dudes aren't working on their games. The on the job training these 19 year olds get is far better than staying in school both from a skill standpoint and financially. You think coach cal was going to allow Julius randle a chance to showcase his improved jumpshot when he was going to have a clear physical advantage at the college level? (which he doesn't have in the league.)

I know of two dudes in the NBA whose coaches repeatedly told them not to shoot jumpers. Now that their NBA players, they've had to focus on developing their game to stick. One went undrafted this past summer. He shot a total of seven jumpers last season. He went to workouts and the GM was floored by his stroke

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

The next game has a team called City of Gods.. they have DeMarr Johnson, M. Sweetney and Pop Mensu Bonsu.. should be interesting

I saw Pops in the Olympics in 2012 playing for Great Britain, I felt like he could easily be a bench big man in the NBA. Saw some highlights of him from the present and he still looks like he's in tremendous shape. I guess he got popped for roids in June though 

 

[johnnyredstorm]

The plumlee brothers were at duke for a combined 8 years and can't do a third of what okafor can do on the block and Jan was there for 6 months.

and nobody is arguing the Plumlee brothers would have been great had they stayed in college for 15 years. Some guys wouldn't have been great no matter how much seasoning they had

Is that hard to understand? I thought I was being pretty clear.

Okafor could have used another year though. But why? No need to really work on your game when money is being thrown around. Its all about getting to the NBA so your free agency clock can start

But you're assuming dudes aren't working on their games. The on the job training these 19 year olds get is far better than staying in school both from a skill standpoint and financially. You think coach cal was going to allow Julius randle a chance to showcase his improved jumpshot when he was going to have a clear physical advantage at the college level? (which he doesn't have in the league.)

I know of two dudes in the NBA whose coaches repeatedly told them not to shoot jumpers. Now that their NBA players, they've had to focus on developing their game to stick. One went undrafted this past summer. He shot a total of seven jumpers last season. He went to workouts and the GM was floored by his stroke

JaKarr Sampson went pro cause Lavin kept playing him at the 4 and refused to let him develop like he needed to to have a chance at the pros.

 

[casper90403]

But you're assuming dudes aren't working on their games. The on the job training these 19 year olds get is far better than staying in school both from a skill standpoint and financially. You think coach cal was going to allow Julius randle a chance to showcase his improved jumpshot when he was going to have a clear physical advantage at the college level? (which he doesn't have in the league.)

I know of two dudes in the NBA whose coaches repeatedly told them not to shoot jumpers. Now that their NBA players, they've had to focus on developing their game to stick. One went undrafted this past summer. He shot a total of seven jumpers last season. He went to workouts and the GM was floored by his stroke

You're assuming I don't know though. I know for a fact a bunch of players don't work on their games.

More than half these dudes ain't working on their games. The great ones do. And the ones who haven't made anything. I'm speaking about the middle of the pack type of guys. Money has killed the game. Why work on your game when you can easily get $6-$8m per? For most, that's good enough. I don't blame them, to be honest.

 

[casper90403]

And playing more in college isn't all about improving your talent. There are things called trying to find yourself and develop as a human being. Making millions one year after high school is a thing you can't teach. These kids ain't ready for that (most of them).

To me, the one thing that helped the league is actually hurting the talent level. The nba did a phenomenal job developing their brand and getting their people paid. But it did hurt the talent level in my opinion.

 

[boss naga]

These things aren't exact sciences. And the whole college development thing has been debunked time and time again. You are not doing much "development" on or off the floor in a couple years of college.

At the end of the day, it's becoming clearer and clearer that the NCAA is about nothing but exploitation. If basketball were ran like baseball using the dleague as a true minor league system, it would render the NCAA useless. All those rich old parasites who've been banking on these kids for generations would get their world turned upside down, and it would improve the sport overall.

 

[shoeking2102]

These things aren't exact sciences. And the whole college development thing has been debunked time and time again. You are not doing much "development" on or off the floor in a couple years of college.

At the end of the day, it's becoming clearer and clearer that the NCAA is about nothing but exploitation. If basketball were ran like baseball using the dleague as a true minor league system, it would render the NCAA useless. All those rich old parasites who've been banking on these kids for generations would get their world turned upside down, and it would improve the sport overall.

Exactly.

I don't know how one can be better prepared for the NBA by playing in the NCAA with archaic rules, and amateur teammates. The college game is just so different from the NBA

 

[casper90403]

Exactly.

I don't know how one can be better prepared for the NBA by playing in the NCAA with archaic rules, and amateur teammates. The college game is just so different from the NBA

It's called gaining more maturity. These kids are getting too much too soon. I don't blame these guys for losing their minds and being complete idiots. I think I would have lost my mind and I was raised right. Couldnt imagine coming from a rough upbringing to multi millions over night

 

[boss naga]

It's called gaining more maturity. These kids are getting too much too soon. I don't blame these guys for losing their minds and being complete idiots. I think I would have lost my mind and I was raised right. Couldnt imagine coming from a rough upbringing to multi millions over night

I'm confused as to what your overall point is. Are we talking about the quality of the sport, player development, or maturity off the floor?

Who are you talking about when you're talking about "kids losing their minds"? If I were to take a snapshot of the athletes that have been in the news this summer for the wrong things...I'd see that many of them are not "kids" and many of them went to school for 3/4 years.

 

[casper90403]

I'm confused as to what your overall point is. Are we talking about the quality of the sport, player development, or maturity off the floor?

Who are you talking about when you're talking about "kids losing their minds"? If I were to take a snapshot of the athletes that have been in the news this summer for the wrong things...I'd see that many of them are not "kids" and many of them went to school for 3/4 years.

Sorry. Talking about everything. Player development and maturity go hand in hand for me. Was talking about both.

 

[boss naga]

Sorry. Talking about everything. Player development and maturity go hand in hand for me. Was talking about both.

What does this have to do with the NCAA?