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Who will represent the Western Conference in the NBA Finals?

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LeBron & Shaq absolutely would have worked so long as the franchise was committed to filling the roster out.

Those of you saying it has to be a certain way, picture yourself in 1990 saying, "Scottie & Mike are great, but it won't work. Needs to be inside out. They need a center."

Not really, no, they don't.

When you have 2 of the all time greatest at their position, a healthy franchise is what is needed for that to work.

Your opinion is null they could replace Kobe with CP1708 and you still think they'd win 3.

Even Mike and Scottie didn't get in each other's way because MJ was so beastly on the block, there are schematic issues with young Bron and prime Shaq that are glaringly apparent. But hey put Kidd, Ray Allen, Eddie Jones, Moochie Norris in and they don't skip a beat. I mean all those guys were putting up 26, 6, 5 in the playoffs and guarding the other teams best perimeter player most nights right SithLord?
 
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LeBron & Shaq absolutely would have worked so long as the franchise was committed to filling the roster out.

Those of you saying it has to be a certain way, picture yourself in 1990 saying, "Scottie & Mike are great, but it won't work. Needs to be inside out. They need a center."

Not really, no, they don't.

When you have 2 of the all time greatest at their position, a healthy franchise is what is needed for that to work.

Agreed.

Remember them saying Bron and Wade wouldn't work? They did. When you have great players playing together, they figure it out.

Shaq would not have had to adjust to Bron, Bron would have had to adjust to Shaq because Prime Shaq is a better player than prime lebron.

You put any great wing with Shaq, and the result would be the same. Let's remember, a 24 yr old Dwyane Wade won with Shaq still averaging 20 & 10. Wade might have a worse jumper than Bron lol.
 
10 years from now will people still be arguing about lebron is great because imagine if he played with (insert more successful player here)'s team?
 

He played only 9 minutes of Game 2 due to Jalen Rose's shenanigans. Shot 1 of 3 in the game in the 9 minutes.

Misses Game 3. Lakers lose.

Comes back Game 4 and drops 28 in an OT game with Shaq on the Bench.


So if you take the 4 games he actually played that are not statistical anomalies. He averaged 19 PPG in 4 full games.


We can go to 2011 Prime LeBron averaging only 17.8ppg and afraid to post up J.J. Barrea.


Kobe was Robin in that series, but he was needed to be a difference maker. Hell even Jalen said that's why he put his foot in there to sprain Kobe's ankle. Now if you go throughout those playoffs, he was just as important.
 
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lebron and shaq would have probably quit basketball to make rap albums and terrible movies together if they both played in LA 
 
Peak Kobe and Peak Shaq would have won 75 games.

Wade and Bron didnt click right away and really get rolling until admittedly Wade said I'm taking a back seat. Even so it's easier for two perimeter players to get their touches and looks because they can always get the ball themselves.

Shaq was complaining about not getting the ball enough when he was averaging 30 a game, now would Lebron's personality have been more conducive to Shaq's, of course. But that doesn't negate the fact that early Lebron's game wasn't nearly as polished and he would have likely head difficulties meshing with bull headed prime Shaq. But hey it's always imagine worth this guy instead of actually looking at what happened.
 
[quote name="Mamba MVP"][quote name="DarthSka"]LeBron & Shaq absolutely would have worked so long as the franchise was committed to filling the roster out.

Those of you saying it has to be a certain way, picture yourself in 1990 saying, "Scottie & Mike are great, but it won't work. Needs to be inside out. They need a center."

Not really, no, they don't.

When you have 2 of the all time greatest at their position, a healthy franchise is what is needed for that to work.[/quote]

Your opinion is null they could replace Kobe with CP1708 and you still think they'd win 3.

Even Mike and Scottie didn't get in each other's way because MJ was so beastly on the block, there are schematic issues with young Bron and prime Shaq that are glaringly apparent. But hey put Kidd, Ray Allen, Eddie Jones, Moochie Norris in and they don't skip a beat. I mean all those guys were putting up 26, 6, 5 in the playoffs and guarding the other teams best perimeter player most nights right SithLord?[/quote]If you're just going to respond with sarcasm because your feelings are hurt over our different opinion, just leave the discussion up to grown folk. :wink:
 
[quote name="sea manup"]lebron and shaq would have probably quit basketball to make rap albums and terrible movies together if they both played in LA[/quote]:lol: Legit.
 
If you're just going to respond with sarcasm because your feelings are hurt over our different opinion, just leave the discussion up to grown folk. :wink:

No feels here part was sarcasm but part is truth in what you've stated numerous times before. :wink:
 
We are talking about one of top 10 players of all time( top 20 if youre being a super hater) not being able to work out with Prime Shaq and Phil Jackson? :lol:

Not Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Jason Kidd or whatever...Talking about Lebron James...4 time NBA MVP, 4th all time in PPG, 2nd all time in PER, all time leader in assists for a forward Lebron James not being able to work with Prime Shaq and Phil Jackson? :lol:
 
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It's not about stats. How do they fit together? Lebron in his 4th, 5th, and 6th years is an entirely different player than he is today. Kobe was the best perimeter player in the league,

Bron in his 10th, 11th, and 12th seasons still has players who have been dominant post scorers camping out at the 3 point line and you're just going to thrust him into the lineup with the most dominant guy down low ever when his jumper was nowhere near as developed and everything was driving to the hole and think you're still getting 3 rings nah. Outside of 2001, Lakers could have easily not even made the Finals. This isn't 2K plug and play. Shaq and Bean were the perfect inside outside combo.
facts .  i hate how people have the 2k mentality for real life ball.
 
Being able to work together and still getting 3 rings and 4 Finals appearances in the West back then are to entirely different things. Even with Prime Shaq and coming into his prime Kobe who were perfect compliments to each other there were numerous close calls.
 
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We are talking about one of top 10 players of all time( top 20 if youre being a super hater) not being able to work out with Prime Shaq and Phil Jackson?
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Not Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Jason Kidd or whatever...Talking about Lebron James...4 time NBA MVP, 4th all time in PPG, 2nd all time in PER, all time leader in assists for a forward Lebron James not being able to work with Prime Shaq and Phil Jackson?
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just goes to show numbers/stats arent everything ... as ive stated before . LJ=peyton manning. 
 
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Kobe was super important to those Lakers teams but those weren't Kobes teams during those Lakers playoff runs

* Waits for weak East center argument and Shaq couldn't hit free throws argument
 
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Isiah Thomas just admitted on an old episode of open court that the Pistons tanked to get Grant Hill :rofl:

But all these old heads frown on tanking
 
He played only 9 minutes of Game 2 due to Jalen Rose's shenanigans. Shot 1 of 3 in the game in the 9 minutes.

Misses Game 3. Lakers lose.

Comes back Game 4 and drops 28 in an OT game with Shaq on the Bench.


So if you take the 4 games he actually played that are not statistical anomalies. He averaged 19 PPG in 4 full games.


We can go to 2011 Prime LeBron averaging only 17.8ppg and afraid to post up J.J. Barrea.
Amen. That poster you replied to clearly did not watch that series.
 
Kobe was super important to those Lakers teams but those weren't Kobes teams during those Lakers playoff runs

* Waits for weak East center argument and Shaq couldn't hit free throws argument
Kobe was super important to those Lakers teams but those weren't Kobes teams during those Lakers playoff runs

* Waits for weak East center argument and Shaq couldn't hit free throws argument
Shaq guards Rick Smits, Kobe guards Mark Jackson/ Reggie Miller
Shaq guards Dikembe, Kobe guards AI
Shaq guards Jason Collins, Kobe guards Jason Kidd.
Theres your weak east C argument.
 
Still 19 PPG isn't 38 PPG..in fact its actually half the amount of points per game

11 FTs to 93 FTs.

If you can't see why there was a PPG disparity in each season... I'm not sure where else to tell you to look.

Give Kobe 83 more FTs in 4 games, and let's see where the two stand in terms of PPG.


I mean if we're going to bring up PPG, we can point to all the games in the title run era that the Lakers lost because Shaq missed more FTs than they lost by, or Shaq shot 30% from the field, and Kobe has the game that wins it for them.

Just like we can point to Kobe having a bad game, and Shaq was the reason they won a specific game.

I'm sure you end up with similar number for that.
 
Still 19 PPG isn't 38 PPG..in fact its actually half the amount of points per game

11 FTs to 93 FTs.

If you can't see why there was a PPG disparity in each season... I'm not sure where else to tell you to look.

Give Kobe 83 more FTs in 4 games, and let's see where the two stand in terms of PPG.


I mean if we're going to bring up PPG, we can point to all the games in the title run era that the Lakers lost because Shaq missed more FTs than they lost by, or Shaq shot 30% from the field, and Kobe has the game that wins it for them.

Just like we can point to Kobe having a bad game, and Shaq was the reason they won a specific game.

I'm sure you end up with similar number for that.

Yes you need to be able to draw fouls or be enough of threat to score vs your poor free throw shooting that the opposing team would rather you shoot free throws

Kobe was neither of those, so your point is moot

Even if you take away Shaq's made free throws...he still averaged 32 PPG compared to 19 PPG

The free throw deal is impossible to quantify because other Laker players missed free throws too

During the Lakers 3 peat..Shaq shot under 35 percent in 6 games of the possible 277 games

Kobe shot under 35 percent in 35 games of the possible 271 games
 
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