THE 2015 NBA PRE SEASON THREAD: BEST WISHES TO LAMAR ODOM

[wavycrocket]

He gets his looks in DC...but his shot selection could be better.

I think a lot of us Wizards fans want to see more of what Beal did in the playoffs. That's cut back on the long 2's and embrace the 3 pointer. There were flashes of brilliance from him in both the Toronto and Atlanta series.

If he can put up better than 20ppg on 45% from the floor and over 40% from 3, then I think we'll see Washington get that much closer to eclipsing 50 wins. Obviously, team health plays heavily into that scenario, but I have a lot of faith in Beal to make a leap this season.

Those long 2's he takes KILLS me man . Saw a workout video of him yesterday, and he's making a noticeable effort to step back to the 3 off the screens. I mean he shoots 40% from 3 on a good volume. He'll be more efficient when he starts getting to the line and being more decisive.

I see 19 5 & 4 for him on 44/40/83 splits for him this season.

 

[jjs07]

He gets his looks in DC...but his shot selection could be better.


I think a lot of us Wizards fans want to see more of what Beal did in the playoffs. That's cut back on the long 2's and embrace the 3 pointer. There were flashes of brilliance from him in both the Toronto and Atlanta series.


If he can put up better than 20ppg on 45% from the floor and over 40% from 3, then I think we'll see Washington get that much closer to eclipsing 50 wins. Obviously, team health plays heavily into that scenario, but I have a lot of faith in Beal to make a leap this season.

I'm just saying, 20 PPG is a random number in general. Beal took 13.5 shots per game while DeRozan took 16.5

DeRozan usage: 28.4 
Beal usage: 22.5

Beal can get to 20 if he played in Toronto

I agree with you 100%. The number is arbitrary.

I just want an efficient 20ppg from Beal.

The foolishness....

I always knew players peaked at 23 years old.

most players enter their prime by the 4th season, its not about age its the experience

If DeRozan can average 20 then so can Beal. That's an arbitrary number anyway. If you put Beal on a team like Toronto he'll be scoring more for sure

derozan is a #1 option, which beal was drafted to be

What 22 year old is in his athletic prime, bruh?

Keep going, tho....

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

 
derozan is a #1 option, which beal was drafted to be

Uh, Beal wasn't projected to be a superstar or anything, more like a poor man's Ray Allen or similar Eric Gordon caliber

Getting 13.5 shots a game isn't a true #1, if Beal played in Toronto he would get DeRozan type usage

Again, 20 PPG proves NOTHING

BealeRozan 

 

[xbiker47]

KD and Russ have never had any chemistry. Doesn't mean they should be a part or that they can't win

I just believe it is fact that they have not looked cohesive, like ever. Again, probably Brooks' fault

All they do is take turns going one on one. They never seem to play off each other or make each other better

I would agree. Just 2 monsters on the court at the same time

 

[pastor glo]

 
Uh, Beal wasn't projected to be a superstar or anything, more like a poor man's Ray Allen or similar Eric Gordon caliber

Getting 13.5 shots a game isn't a true #1, if Beal played in Toronto he would get DeRozan type usage

Again, 20 PPG proves NOTHING

BealeRozan 

what does draft projection have to do with being a #1 option? he was drafted to be that go to scorer wall could rely on

was steph curry projected to be a superstar?

being a 20+ppg scorer means hes supposed to be the wizards go to player, not the pg

 

[abematic]

BealeRozan 

Yeahhhh... I agreed with this. 

Better shooter at the 3-range.  

DeRozan post moves > Beals, though. 

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

 
what does draft projection have to do with being a #1 option? he was drafted to be that go to scorer wall could rely on

was steph curry projected to be a superstar?

being a 20+ppg scorer means hes supposed to be the wizards go to player, not the pg

You're saying Beal was drafted to be a #1 scorer, if you're expecting him to carry an offense and win deep into the playoffs RIGHT AWAY, you had a foolish projection of him. That's my point

He wasn't going to be an instant All-Star caliber type scorer

 

[glennvagmire]

Monts Ellis > Beal

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Monts Ellis > Beal

Well you're comparing a veteran to a third year player...

 

[pastor glo]

 
You're saying Beal was drafted to be a #1 scorer, if you're expecting him to carry an offense and win deep into the playoffs RIGHT AWAY, you had a foolish projection of him. That's my point

He wasn't going to be an instant All-Star caliber type scorer

he averaged 17ppg his 2nd year in the league, that a sign of a instant all star caliber type scorer and if he doesnt show he can be that consistent #1 option this season i doubt he ever will

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

BTW, in DeRozan's third year he didn't average 20. Not even in his 4th year. He didn't break the 20 point mark til year 5 and 6. Both DeRozan and Beal came out after their freshman years in college

I see no reason Beal couldn't be on the same track and be a more valuable player overall despite scoring numbers. He really isn't the type of player yet to carry an entire team right now. For now it's going to have to be a joint effort. Beal is much more of a complimentary type player at this point, a step below Klay right now 

 

[jjs07]

Outside of Thompson, Wade, and Harden, there isn't another SG in the NBA that I'd take over Brad Beal right now.

His upside is through the roof. When he's in his mid-20s like the other guys I mentioned, he'll probably be mentioned as one of the best in the league at the position.

Depending on what happens this season, there's a chance he could eclipse Thompson and really be considered top-3 at the position. It's not inconceivable.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

 
he averaged 17ppg his 2nd year in the league, that a sign of a instant all star caliber type scorer and if he doesnt show he can be that consistent #1 option this season i doubt he ever will

I'll bet you $150 that Beal will average 20 points at least twice in his career

Again, DeRozan didn't average 20 til year 5 

 

[abematic]

Outside of Thompson, Wade, and Harden, there isn't another SG in the NBA that I'd take over Brad Beal right now.

His upside is through the roof. When he's in his mid-20s like the other guys I mentioned, he'll probably be mentioned as one of the best in the league at the position.

Depending on what happens this season, there's a chance he could eclipse Thompson and really be considered top-3 at the position. It's not inconceivable.

Not even Jimmy Butler?

 

[a-friend]

Phil Jackson needs to be grandma slapped in his mouth. Straight up.

Why would he make those comments. This dude does not want to see the Knicks be great. That owner Nut better throw in the towel man. Jesus Christ those comments sound worse today than they did yesterday for some reason.

Poor Carmelo my ***. Own your decision Carmelo, don't blame anyone but the $

 

[equality]

 
he averaged 17ppg his 2nd year in the league, that a sign of a instant all star caliber type scorer and if he doesnt show he can be that consistent #1 option this season i doubt he ever will

Just how are you so sure of a player's future in their 4th year as a 23 year old? Did LeBron hit his peak in his 4th/5th year?

 

[glennvagmire]

Not even Jimmy Butler?

Wade over Butler and Beal? [emoji]128514[/emoji]

I'd take Oladipo over Beal.

 

[pastor glo]

 
Just how are you so sure of a player's future in their 4th year as a 23 year old? Did LeBron hit his peak in his 4th/5th year?

lebron averaged 31 in his 3rd year in the league and went to the finals in his 4th year, lets not go there

all the great players turn into superstars by there 4th year in the league

you cant name a top 10 player in the league that wasnt a star by his 4th year

 

[jjs07]

Outside of Thompson, Wade, and Harden, there isn't another SG in the NBA that I'd take over Brad Beal right now.


His upside is through the roof. When he's in his mid-20s like the other guys I mentioned, he'll probably be mentioned as one of the best in the league at the position.


Depending on what happens this season, there's a chance he could eclipse Thompson and really be considered top-3 at the position. It's not inconceivable.

Not even Jimmy Butler?

Whoops...forgot about Butler.

He's above Beal. But I'll lump Butler w/ Thompson as two guys that Beal could potentially leapfrog.

 

[equality]

 
lebron averaged 31 in his 3rd year in the league and went to the finals in his 4th year, lets not go there

all the great players turn into superstars by there 4th year in the league

you cant name a top 10 player in the league that wasnt a star by his 4th year

Uh. I never ever thought Beal would be a superstar. If that was what the debate was based on then I agree with Beal never being a superstar.

 

[abematic]

Wade over Butler and Beal? [emoji]128514[/emoji]

I'd take Oladipo over Beal.

I like Oladipo's game. 

Whoops...forgot about Butler.

He's above Beal. But I'll lump Butler w/ Thompson as two guys that Beal could potentially leapfrog.

Okay, lol. 

I don't know about Beal leapfrogging but you definitely have a lot of hope in him. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. 

 

[pastor glo]

 
Uh. I never ever thought Beal would be a superstar. If that was what the debate was based on then I agree with Beal never being a superstar.

how are you top 5 at your position but cant be considered a star? a scoring position at that

 

[bhzmafia14]

Said this a while ago about Beal, but his regular season numbers are basically the same from Year 1 - Year 3. He did perform at a higher level last year in the playoffs, but all other numbers point to the same exact production. I don't know what that means for his future, but you USUALLY see a player breakout in their 3rd year. Maybe the playoffs was his breakout, but he did attempt 20 shots a game during that stretch.

As I said before, I like Beal, but I'm not sure if I see an all-star unless he starts shooting lights out from the field like Ray Allen did. He's not a good enough creator or ball hander right now to take his game to another level offensively. So, that's why basically its going to have to be his jumpshooting %'s being great in order to see all-star level production.

Mentioned this before as well...see a lot of OJ's rookie and sophmore year in Bradley Beal. That could either be a good or bad thing for his future . I'm sure he's not going to fall into OJ's footsteps for the rest of his career, but OJ was still good during his first 2 years in the league. Production was very similar as well.

 

[olx9o]

Phil Jackson needs to be grandma slapped in his mouth. Straight up.

Why would he make those comments. This dude does not want to see the Knicks be great. That owner Nut better throw in the towel man. Jesus Christ those comments sound worse today than they did yesterday for some reason.

Poor Carmelo my ***. Own your decision Carmelo, don't blame anyone but the $

love it

 

[IATT]

Outside of Thompson, Wade, and Harden, there isn't another SG in the NBA that I'd take over Brad Beal right now.

His upside is through the roof. When he's in his mid-20s like the other guys I mentioned, he'll probably be mentioned as one of the best in the league at the position.

Depending on what happens this season, there's a chance he could eclipse Thompson and really be considered top-3 at the position. It's not inconceivable.

where does wade's declining rank to you?

because considering Thompson's age and wade's age & body breaking down.. if he's going pass anyone on the 3 names you have given, I would go with the guy breaking down