THE 2015 NBA PRE SEASON THREAD: BEST WISHES TO LAMAR ODOM

[awwsome]

A big thing yall missing in this OJ/Beal comparison is age.


Beal was 21 last season, the same age OJ was in his rookie year.

He was already putting up #'s in the league while OJ was stat padding in HS.

He's also a superior athlete/defender/playmaker.

Beal has more potential, was better at the same age and is better now.

 

[QU!K]

Raptors Damon Stoudamire > Blazers Damon Stoudamire

 

[bhzmafia14]

A big thing yall missing in this OJ/Beal comparison is age.


Beal was 21 last season, the same age OJ was in his rookie year.

He was already putting up #'s in the league while OJ was stat padding in HS.

He's also a superior athlete/defender/playmaker.

Beal has more potential, was better at the same age and is better now.

That's fine, but it doesn't take away from the fact that Beal still has a 52% TS, 14 PER, 43% from the field and a PER 36 in his 3rd year at the age of 21 when OJ had the same thing or better his rookie year or better at the same age. OJ had a higher number of win shares, his offensive win shares were higher and his defensive win shares were pretty close to Beal's 3rd year.

I'm just trying to figure out what exactly is so different from Beal's numbers compared to OJ's first two seasons. I've mentioned several times that I don't think Beal is following in OJ's footsteps . I think he's good and will eventually get better, but I'm arguing that his PRODUCTION was very similar to OJ's first two seasons. That's a fact. Plus the fact that Beal has produced at the SAME RATE in every single season of his career. No significant improvement.

 

[pastor glo]

A big thing yall missing in this OJ/Beal comparison is age.


Beal was 21 last season, the same age OJ was in his rookie year.

He was already putting up #'s in the league while OJ was stat padding in HS.

He's also a superior athlete/defender/playmaker.

Beal has more potential, was better at the same age and is better now.

age means nothing when they put up similar numbers with the same nba experience

 

[friscostylez]

I don't get your Alonzo gif lol. Dude compared ojs first two years to beals first three years. Ojs first two years was a perfect example of him putting up numbers on a garbage team. And regardless oj is better for the team coming off the bench and not as good for the team starting. Its a proven fact that he only puts up numbers on struggling teams. Im not sure how its an alozno gif to state that

Dude, I was agreeing with you 

I said Mayo put up numbers while they were trash, and once Memphis became good, OJ was no longer getting starter minutes

Do you not understand the meaning of the Alonzo gif 

I clearly don't lol I always thought he looked disappointed in that gif so I thought you were disappointed in my response

 

[buc em]

this who beal really remind me of

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Damn that's a terrible signature.

 

[bhzmafia14]

Hell, even comparing Beal's 3rd year when he was 21 years old (the same age as OJ in his rookie season), you still getting the same production . It's not like Beal's production just skyrocketed from Year 1 to Year 3 like I've been arguing this entire time

Also, I was one OJ's biggest critics after he put on a **** show in Year 3, but let's not act like the team was in a complete rebuild mode during his rookie season. Let's also not act like they didn't go from 24-58 to 40-42 WITH OJ as a starter. It was a combination of OJ ruining himself trying to be a point guard in Year 3, head butting with Lionel Hollins and Tony Allen that basically made his career go in a down slope. That still doesn't take away from what he did in his first two years when he was good no matter how you want to look at his career as a whole.

The guy single handedly won us some games against playoff teams in his rookie and sophmore year .

 

[pastor glo]

dudes always act like age is the be all and end all

 

[awwsome]

I wasn't arguing that the #'s aren't similar, just that Beal is more complete than OJ was and is.

The defensive win share argument is horrible for analyzing individual defense.

OJ was never a good defender and he's even worse now.


If you go by defensive RPM, Beal is always better.

 

[bhzmafia14]

I wasn't arguing that the #'s aren't similar, just that Beal is more complete than OJ was and is.

The defensive win share argument is horrible for analyzing individual defense.

OJ was never a good defender and he's even worse now.


If you go by defensive RPM, Beal is always better.

I agree that Beal is more complete. Bradley Beal knew who he was as a player, whereas OJ didn't at the time he came into the league. OJ was put into a situation where he was on a rebuilding squad without a clear cut leader. There were 3 rookies in his starting 5 that year, a lost PG at the time in Conley and a young Rudy Gay . Beal came into the league knowing he wasn't going to be considered the leader of the team or the star player. He was considered a good jump shooter, rebounder and solid defender when coming into the league, so his expectations were not extremely high as is.

I don't know what OJ would've been if his circumstances were a little better, but I also don't think people remember how good he actually was in his first two years as a player before his drop off. So, its not like I'm downing Beal as a player by comparing his production to OJ's .

 

[dewhickey]

I may not be around as much as I used to but this guy right here

That looked like someone's first post right after you make an account

Apologies to you both.

Perhaps I too can become as prolific as you, with regards to quality post count one day.

Albeit, without the shooting percentage of the all time leader in missed shots.

God is love.

 

[wavycrocket]

Trying to turn OJ into a PG, then making him a 6th man ruined him. He's not a microwave guy and that hurt his confidence.

He was filling it up the first half of the season with Dallas a few years ago though. Was shooting like 42% from 3 going into the All Star break. Thought he was having a resurgence.

 

[bhzmafia14]

Trying to turn OJ into a PG, then making him a 6th man ruined him. He's not a microwave guy and that hurt his confidence.

He was filling it up the first half of the season with Dallas a few years ago though. Was shooting like 42% from 3 going into the All Star break. Thought he was having a resurgence.

The PG part was OJ's fault. He wanted to prove to Lionel that his real position was PG, but he could barely hold a consistent dribble against an NBA defender . He even played in the Summer League at PG during his 3rd year to try and prove it and failed. OJ would've been much better off realizing he was a SG, worked hard as a defensive player and continued to be a good jump shooter. Maybe his career continues upward, but he was trying to be something he's not. If I knew the Grizz were going to move Rudy Gay, I would've been in favor of keeping OJ as a starter and moving Tony Allen to the SF spot. Moved Rudy the year he came back from injury.

 

[awwsome]

Trying to turn OJ into a PG, then making him a 6th man ruined him. He's not a microwave guy and that hurt his confidence.

He was filling it up the first half of the season with Dallas a few years ago though. Was shooting like 42% from 3 going into the All Star break. Thought he was having a resurgence.

I remember, at one point dude was hitting 54% from 3.

It wasn't that small of a sample size either, it was like 15-20 games, dude was cooking.


Dirk came back and it all fell to ****.

 

[awwsome]

The PG part was OJ's fault. He wanted to prove to Lionel that his real position was PG, but he could barely hold a consistent dribble against an NBA defender . He even played in the Summer League at PG during his 3rd year to try and prove it and failed. OJ would've been much better off realizing he was a SG, worked hard as a defensive player and continued to be a good jump shooter. Maybe his career continues upward, but he was trying to be something he's not. If I knew the Grizz were going to move Rudy Gay, I would've been in favor of keeping OJ as a starter and moving Tony Allen to the SF spot. Moved Rudy the year he came back from injury.

That actually woulda been a good idea, hide OJ on the lesser talented perimeter player.


Conley
OJ
TA
Zbo
Big Spanish


That's a more well rounded offense than what yall have gotten by with since.

OJ definitely coulda gave yall more than Courtney Lee.

 

[bhzmafia14]

That actually woulda been a good idea, hide OJ on the lesser talented perimeter player.


Conley
OJ
TA
Zbo
Big Spanish


That's a more well rounded offense than what yall have gotten by with since.

OJ definitely coulda gave yall more than Courtney Lee.

Right, plus what we would've got for Rudy in a trade. Maybe a little more depth or a future pick since he was only 25 at the time. After the playoff run they made without him, that would've been the best way to go rather than move him after one season. The Grizz probably would've missed the playoffs without him in 2011-12 though since Zbo got injured. But, it still would've led us into a better core group overall. Now, we got Courtney Lee and Jeff Green

 

[awwsome]

Meanwhile Jordan Adams buried on the bench shooting 40% from 3.


He could definitely be what OJ could've, Lee is a bum.

 

[bhzmafia14]

The fact that Adams is going to ride the pine for another year in favor of players like Lee, Barnes and Carter

 

[wavycrocket]

The PG part was OJ's fault. He wanted to prove to Lionel that his real position was PG, but he could barely hold a consistent dribble against an NBA defender . He even played in the Summer League at PG during his 3rd year to try and prove it and failed. OJ would've been much better off realizing he was a SG, worked hard as a defensive player and continued to be a good jump shooter. Maybe his career continues upward, but he was trying to be something he's not. If I knew the Grizz were going to move Rudy Gay, I would've been in favor of keeping OJ as a starter and moving Tony Allen to the SF spot. Moved Rudy the year he came back from injury.

Oh ok. I thought that was all hollins doing. That ****puzzled me lol. I guess OJ REALLY wanted the rock in his hands and to burry Conley on the bench. Conley had zero confidence back then. I remember being surprised that Memphis stuck with Mike Conley. But it paid off.

OJ trying to force himself to be a PG ended up backfiring and he became a 6th man lol. He probably saw Russy, Tyreke and Jrue going from SG to PG and wanted to emulate that.

I remember him working out with Russ, Tyreke and D-Rose in the summer back then.

 

[awwsome]

For a team with a front office so analytically inclined, it makes no sense.


The offense could be almost as good as the defense with another legitimate perimeter threat out there and yet they wanna shuffle all these past their prime or never had prime vets.

 

[Quincy McCall]

damn Vince still outchea'

 

[awwsome]

damn Vince still outchea'

Still getting them checks, ain't mad at him for a second.

 

[lawdog1]

Apologies to you both.
Perhaps I too can become as prolific as you, with regards to quality post count one day.
Albeit, without the shooting percentage of the all time leader in missed shots.
God is love.

No need for an apology, sir.
Force the masses to adjust to greatness.
Boldness should be embraced,
Eloquence should be applauded.
Strike like the Black Mamba and leave others wondering when the next strike will occur.
The night is dark and full of terrors.
Go Clippers.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

I clearly don't lol I always thought he looked disappointed in that gif so I thought you were disappointed in my response

Na! It means he was thinking about what was said and then comes around and eventually thinks 'yeah, that makes sense' lol

 

[kingjaffejo]

Maaaan all I know is if KD loved "home" that much he wouldn't have went to Texas for college ball. If he was that in love with "home" he would of went to college in the DMV area. Plenty of renowned colleges around there.
Don't play him with that "home" card. If he goes to the Wizards it won't be because he wants to be "home"