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This is the breakdown I did 4 years ago. We had a thread on the series, someone posted game 6 in the thread via Youtube, and I broke down the entire 4th quarter, foul by foul.
Ok friends, I did what I asked all of you to do. Go back and watch the film, it's right here in this very thread, page 2.


Know why there were so many free throws? Anyone know? You get FOUR fouls a quarter, before free throws. FOUR. One problem. ALL FOUR of the Kings fouls to start the Q were shooting fouls = 8 free throws. That's why there were 27 free throws. I mentioned already, 3 intentional fouls, plus 1 clear path foul = 7 of the free throws. That leaves 20 free throws. If you have 4 fouls that are non shooting, that would take 14 fouls to be called. But that isn't what happened. They had exactly the 10 fouls, to give LA 20 free throws.


So let's go thru them.


11:33 Pollard. Walks into Shaq with his arms up. Walton even says, when you put your hands up that early, you are telling the ref you give up on the play. I marked this down as a clear foul, but after finishing the quarter, I will give this one a -- I could hear an argument either way on this. (it should be noted, Bibby and the Kings ALREADY are crying on this call, and at the time, they have shot more free throws then the Lakers by a two to one margin. Walton will later speak on that)


10:27 Webber. EASY call. Fouls on a fastbreak dunk attempt. No argument from anybody.


8:29 Divac Easy call, but I won't go all caps like the Webber. He is reaching, swinging, slapping, and he hits Shaq's hand. The argument here could be late whistle however, but the replay showed it was indeed a foul. Argue if you wish


7:37 Jackson Clear path foul, he was stopping an easy dunk. No argument, and guess what, you are now in the penalty. 4 fouls, free throws for all of them. THAT is why there was 27. If these are all reach ins or whatever, then there woulda been a lot less free throws in the quarter. But lemme guess, we all forgot that, right? :nerd:


6:20 Funderburke. This is easily the lamest call. Push in the back, this is a call I could do with out. No Laker fan would say this was well deserved or anything. At least, Shaq missed a FT, best I can give you.


4:24 Webber, this is the part where Walton says the 2-1 free throw margin HAD been for the Kings, and now the Lakers have passed them. 3 and a half quarters in........but the refs fixed this game. :lol: Webber slaps Shaq on the head as he tries to shoot over Divac. Easy call.


2:56 Divac. Guess what? Divac fouls on this play. Why this important? Because Webber also had 5, and it SHOULD have been a foul on Webber. He fouls Horry first, but no call, and then Divac dives for the ball on top of Horry and gets called. The refs let Webber play, but didn't let Divac get away with it. Either way, SOMEBODY had to be called for a foul. This is at the 1:28:29 mark of the youtube vid.


2:16 Funderburke. EASY call. Jumps over the back of Shaq, to prevent entry pass. If this was foul number 1-4, no free throws, in the penalty, we shoot free throws. Timing is everything in fouls and foul shots.


1:54 Christie. This one is debateable, he will say he went straight up, but Kobe was rising up with Christie and Webber there, there was alot of contact on Christie and Kobe's part. This is a -- you can argue either way. This is the best one, Bibby crumbles to the floor crying. :rofl:


1:37 Funderburke EASIEST call, Fox with the rebound, Funder clears him out, knocks Fox to the floor, easy call.


1:15 Hedo, we spoke on this. Dude fouled Fox like 3 times on this single play, argue all you want, something was getting called somewhere.


The next 3 fouls were all intentional, to stop the clock. = 6 more free throws.



There were 2 other calls that I thought SHOULD have been fouls on Sac that weren't called, At the 1:09 mark on the Youtube vid when Shaq makes a turnaround shot, Divac pushes him, but it doesn't get called, and the Shaq bucket under a minute, he gets hit but no call either.



That's every foul, every free throw. By all means, please dispute them, I would love to hear your arguments. All I have heard for years was crying and whining, well we have the tape right here in this thread, go thru it, tell me how "terrible" the calls are now. When the heat of the moment is over with. I came up with 2-3 possible shady calls, and even found 2 non calls. There's also a play earlier when Bobby Jackson isn't called for a carry, and the whole Laker bench jumps up at once yelling for it, Bobby then goes and scores. :lol: There's a play where Peja steps out of bounds for a turnover early in the 4th, and the Kings are arguing about THAT, from 90 feet away. :lol: The Kings were already of the mindset, refs refs refs, and they were actually ahead in free throws, that's a mental ****** right there.


So whatever, I gave every call right here to all of you on a platter, no need to argue now, just watch the tapes of those calls and go from there. Make sure to wait for the replays on some of them, they happen fast.


After I posted this, not one single person replied or countered a single play/call. Zero.


But the narrative that something was amiss lives on, forever probably. But no one will actually rewatch the game, and view the actual calls, like I did. *shrugs*
Nice breakdown CP

The only thing I'll ask is how many fouls Vlade and Webber had going into the 4th quarter. Also how legitimate their calls were leading up to the 4th quarter. I just remember always thinking that series, if Vlade isn't out there to defend, the Kings were behind the 8 ball. Vlade really was a sly littler mother ******

Vlade had 4 going to the 4th.
Webber had 3.

And what you refer to with Divac bein sly, is EXACTLY why Laker fans get fed up with game 6, but game 5 is all good. :nerd:

Shaq got SIX fouls in 32 minutes in game five, defending Divac and Scott ******* Pollard. :lol: Divac had 3 foulds that game, and Pollard 0. Shaq was 14-18 shooting, and they had 3 fouls, total, while he somehow picked up 6, in less than 3 quarters? Kobe also had 5 himself in that game.

But that **** is understandable? :lol:
 
 
I'd say Peja's status for that series overrides any food poisoning impact.
Damn shame he wasn't 100%
Definitely could have used his shooting in the Robert Horry buzzer beater game he didn't play in, when the whole team went cold in the 2nd half.

Sidenote: someone on the Lakers hit a 3 at the halftime buzzer. It was after time expired but there was no replay back then so it counted 
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Vlade had 4 going to the 4th.
Webber had 3.

And what you refer to with Divac bein sly, is EXACTLY why Laker fans get fed up with game 6, but game 5 is all good.
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Shaq got SIX fouls in 32 minutes in game five, defending Divac and Scott ******* Pollard.
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Divac had 3 foulds that game, and Pollard 0. Shaq was 14-18 shooting, and they had 3 fouls, total, while he somehow picked up 6, in less than 3 quarters? Kobe also had 5 himself in that game.

But that **** is understandable?
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Welp. Looks like you know what to do 
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Go back through the tape and account for every Shaq foul in game 5 
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Definitely could have used his shooting in the Robert Horry buzzer beater game he didn't play in, when the whole team went cold in the 2nd half.

Sidenote: someone on the Lakers hit a 3 at the halftime buzzer. It was after time expired but there was no replay back then so it counted 
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Yeah I mentioned that earlier, it was Samaki ******* Walker

Highlight of his career
 
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oh well, it was 13 years ago it doesn't matter now.

But anyone with eyes that was actually old enough to watch the NBA in 2002 knows that it was crooked.  Most Lakers fans seem to agree

if you think it was all legit, get your head checked.
 
 
oh well, it was 13 years ago it doesn't matter now.

But anyone with eyes that was actually old enough to watch the NBA in 2002 knows that it was crooked.  Most Lakers fans seem to agree

if you think it was all legit, get your head checked.
Welp, looks like you missed CP's post just above 
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Old avy byke + dropping knowledge for the non-believers...welcome byke pops.
 
Vlade had 4 going to the 4th.

Webber had 3.


And what you refer to with Divac bein sly, is EXACTLY why Laker fans get fed up with game 6, but game 5 is all good. :nerd:


Shaq got SIX fouls in 32 minutes in game five, defending Divac and Scott ******* Pollard. :lol: Divac had 3 foulds that game, and Pollard 0. Shaq was 14-18 shooting, and they had 3 fouls, total, while he somehow picked up 6, in less than 3 quarters? Kobe also had 5 himself in that game.


But that **** is understandable? :lol:
Welp. Looks like you know what to do :nerd:

Go back through the tape and account for every Shaq foul in game 5 :lol:

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Someday I might.

I know Bobby Jackson fouled the hell outta Kobe on the last play and we damn near won that game without Shaq's help in the 4th. But oh well, game 7 showed everything both teams were about.
 
oh well, it was 13 years ago it doesn't matter now.

But anyone with eyes that was actually old enough to watch the NBA in 2002 knows that it was crooked.  Most Lakers fans seem to agree

if you think it was all legit, get your head checked.


Get your eyes checked B.


Ok friends, I did what I asked all of you to do. Go back and watch the film, it's right here in this very thread, page 2.

Know why there were so many free throws? Anyone know? You get FOUR fouls a quarter, before free throws. FOUR. One problem. ALL FOUR of the Kings fouls to start the Q were shooting fouls = 8 free throws. That's why there were 27 free throws. I mentioned already, 3 intentional fouls, plus 1 clear path foul = 7 of the free throws. That leaves 20 free throws. If you have 4 fouls that are non shooting, that would take 14 fouls to be called. But that isn't what happened. They had exactly the 10 fouls, to give LA 20 free throws.

So let's go thru them.

11:33 Pollard. Walks into Shaq with his arms up. Walton even says, when you put your hands up that early, you are telling the ref you give up on the play. I marked this down as a clear foul, but after finishing the quarter, I will give this one a -- I could hear an argument either way on this. (it should be noted, Bibby and the Kings ALREADY are crying on this call, and at the time, they have shot more free throws then the Lakers by a two to one margin. Walton will later speak on that)

10:27 Webber. EASY call. Fouls on a fastbreak dunk attempt. No argument from anybody.

8:29 Divac Easy call, but I won't go all caps like the Webber. He is reaching, swinging, slapping, and he hits Shaq's hand. The argument here could be late whistle however, but the replay showed it was indeed a foul. Argue if you wish

7:37 Jackson Clear path foul, he was stopping an easy dunk. No argument, and guess what, you are now in the penalty. 4 fouls, free throws for all of them. THAT is why there was 27. If these are all reach ins or whatever, then there woulda been a lot less free throws in the quarter. But lemme guess, we all forgot that, right? :nerd:

6:20 Funderburke. This is easily the lamest call. Push in the back, this is a call I could do with out. No Laker fan would say this was well deserved or anything. At least, Shaq missed a FT, best I can give you.

4:24 Webber, this is the part where Walton says the 2-1 free throw margin HAD been for the Kings, and now the Lakers have passed them. 3 and a half quarters in........but the refs fixed this game. :lol: Webber slaps Shaq on the head as he tries to shoot over Divac. Easy call.

2:56 Divac. Guess what? Divac fouls on this play. Why this important? Because Webber also had 5, and it SHOULD have been a foul on Webber. He fouls Horry first, but no call, and then Divac dives for the ball on top of Horry and gets called. The refs let Webber play, but didn't let Divac get away with it. Either way, SOMEBODY had to be called for a foul. This is at the 1:28:29 mark of the youtube vid.

2:16 Funderburke. EASY call. Jumps over the back of Shaq, to prevent entry pass. If this was foul number 1-4, no free throws, in the penalty, we shoot free throws. Timing is everything in fouls and foul shots.

1:54 Christie. This one is debateable, he will say he went straight up, but Kobe was rising up with Christie and Webber there, there was alot of contact on Christie and Kobe's part. This is a -- you can argue either way. This is the best one, Bibby crumbles to the floor crying. :rofl:

1:37 Funderburke EASIEST call, Fox with the rebound, Funder clears him out, knocks Fox to the floor, easy call.

1:15 Hedo, we spoke on this. Dude fouled Fox like 3 times on this single play, argue all you want, something was getting called somewhere.

The next 3 fouls were all intentional, to stop the clock. = 6 more free throws.


There were 2 other calls that I thought SHOULD have been fouls on Sac that weren't called, At the 1:09 mark on the Youtube vid when Shaq makes a turnaround shot, Divac pushes him, but it doesn't get called, and the Shaq bucket under a minute, he gets hit but no call either.


That's every foul, every free throw. By all means, please dispute them, I would love to hear your arguments. All I have heard for years was crying and whining, well we have the tape right here in this thread, go thru it, tell me how "terrible" the calls are now. When the heat of the moment is over with. I came up with 2-3 possible shady calls, and even found 2 non calls. There's also a play earlier when Bobby Jackson isn't called for a carry, and the whole Laker bench jumps up at once yelling for it, Bobby then goes and scores. :lol: There's a play where Peja steps out of bounds for a turnover early in the 4th, and the Kings are arguing about THAT, from 90 feet away. :lol: The Kings were already of the mindset, refs refs refs, and they were actually ahead in free throws, that's a mental ****** right there.

So whatever, I gave every call right here to all of you on a platter, no need to argue now, just watch the tapes of those calls and go from there. Make sure to wait for the replays on some of them, they happen fast.

After I posted this, not one single person replied or countered a single play/call. Zero.

But the narrative that something was amiss lives on, forever probably. But no one will actually rewatch the game, and view the actual calls, like I did. *shrugs*
 
You documented like 10 plays out of an entire 7 game series and that somehow proves everything was good?

I bet you think Bibby fouling Kobe's elbow with his nose was a great call too
 
oh well, it was 13 years ago it doesn't matter now.

But anyone with eyes that was actually old enough to watch the NBA in 2002 knows that it was crooked.  Most Lakers fans seem to agree

if you think it was all legit, get your head checked.

Crooked for the Kings, or what you referin too?

Fun facts for everyone.

Kings had shot more free throws than the Lakers thru 5 games.

Game 1, LA + 5
Game 2, Sac + 13
Game 3, Sac + 20
Game 4, LA + 1
Game 5, Sac + 10
Game 6, LA + 15 (with that huge 4th quarter, meaning for 3 quarters, the Kings had outshot LA at the line BY DOUBLE)
Game 7, LA + 3

Game 6 saw the Kings shoot more free throws for 40+ minutes, then get into the penalty halfway thru the quarter, not to mention multiple intentional fouls down the stretch.

Do the math. For the series, Kings were + 37 free throws going into Game 6, and then doubling up the Lakers going into the 4th quarter, which was even brought up by Walton/Snapper Jones during the live broadcast.
 
You documented like 10 plays out of an entire 7 game series and that somehow proves everything was good?

I bet you think Bibby fouling Kobe's elbow with his nose was a great call too

K.

How bout the Kings shooting more free throws for the series? That work out for ya?

If not for that 4th quarter, and all those calls that I just pointed out were legit, do you have any idea how slanted it would be IN THE KINGS FAVOR, free throw/foul wise?

If not for that ONE quarter, the Kings were +37 for the series. But the whole damn series was slanted, the Lakers way?


I mean.......Ok
 
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The eyes see what they want to see. Have to blame somebody when you team has an epic choke job like they did.
 
@CP1708 Like i said, it really doesn't matter. it was 13 years ago, Kings lost, Lakers won. Who cares now. I don't know why you are so hellbent on validating the Lakers chip (this tells me that maybe you truly feel that it's not valid).

Anyway, i highly doubt anything that egregious will ever happen again. The NBA is under too big of a microscope now. With cameras everywhere, Social Media being so huge, etc. And the use of official replay.
 
 
You documented like 10 plays out of an entire 7 game series and that somehow proves everything was good?

I bet you think Bibby fouling Kobe's elbow with his nose was a great call too
K.

How bout the Kings shooting more free throws for the series? That work out for ya?

If not for that 4th quarter, and all those calls that I just pointed out were legit, do you have any idea how slanted it would be IN THE KINGS FAVOR, free throw/foul wise?

If not for that ONE quarter, the Kings were +37 for the series. But the whole damn series was slanted, the Lakers way?


I mean.......Ok
What does this matter? it's the calls that WERE or WERE NOT made that matter, not the number of them.

You are going by the assumption that a fairly called game means the foul numbers would be equal? no, because more often than not, a team legitimately gets fouled more than another
 
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Like i said, it really doesn't matter. it was 13 years ago, Kings lost, Lakers won. Who cares now. I don't know why you are so hellbent on validating the Lakers chip (this tells me that maybe you truly feel that it's not valid).


Anyway, i highly doubt anything that egregious will ever happen again. The NBA is under too big of a microscope now. With cameras everywhere, Social Media being so huge, etc. And the use of official replay.

You have it the opposite.

We murdered the hell out of the Kings in 01. Outside of Kobe bein poisoned, we beat the Kings down in Sac game 1, and game 7, in OT. My contention isn't the chip wasn't valid, it's that the Kings weren't anywhere close. Non poisoned Kobe and that series was over in 5, Peja choker or not. The Kings ROUTINELY flopped about, cried to the refs over every call, mentally tightened up, every single one of them except Bibby. Webber was a scowlin fool when it was 10-6 in the first quarter, come Q4, he was just like he was at Michigan, a sopping wet vag. Bibby was the only guy that had any heart whatsoever.

Every Laker out there, Kobe, Shaq, Horry, Fisher, Fox, Shaw, etc was proven as a guy that would rise to the moment. Kings only had Bibby. And a poison cheeseburger. :lol:
 
You have it the opposite.

We murdered the hell out of the Kings in 01. Outside of Kobe bein poisoned, we beat the Kings down in Sac game 1, and game 7, in OT. My contention isn't the chip wasn't valid, it's that the Kings weren't anywhere close. Non poisoned Kobe and that series was over in 5, Peja choker or not. The Kings ROUTINELY flopped about, cried to the refs over every call, mentally tightened up, every single one of them except Bibby. Webber was a scowlin fool when it was 10-6 in the first quarter, come Q4, he was just like he was at Michigan, a sopping wet vag. Bibby was the only guy that had any heart whatsoever.

Every Laker out there, Kobe, Shaq, Horry, Fisher, Fox, Shaw, etc was proven as a guy that would rise to the moment. Kings only had Bibby. And a poison cheeseburger. :lol:

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You have it the opposite.

We murdered the hell out of the Kings in 01. Outside of Kobe bein poisoned, we beat the Kings down in Sac game 1, and game 7, in OT. My contention isn't the chip wasn't valid, it's that the Kings weren't anywhere close. Non poisoned Kobe and that series was over in 5, Peja choker or not. The Kings ROUTINELY flopped about, cried to the refs over every call, mentally tightened up, every single one of them except Bibby. Webber was a scowlin fool when it was 10-6 in the first quarter, come Q4, he was just like he was at Michigan, a sopping wet vag. Bibby was the only guy that had any heart whatsoever.

Every Laker out there, Kobe, Shaq, Horry, Fisher, Fox, Shaw, etc was proven as a guy that would rise to the moment. Kings only had Bibby. And a poison cheeseburger.
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 We murdered the hell out of the Kings in 01. Outside of Kobe bein poisoned, we beat the Kings down in Sac game 1, and game 7, in OT. My contention isn't the chip wasn't valid, it's that the Kings weren't anywhere close. Non poisoned Kobe and that series was over in 5, Peja choker or not. The Kings ROUTINELY flopped about, cried to the refs over every call, mentally tightened up, every single one of them except Bibby. Webber was a scowlin fool when it was 10-6 in the first quarter, come Q4, he was just like he was at Michigan, a sopping wet vag. Bibby was the only guy that had any heart whatsoever.

Every Laker out there, Kobe, Shaq, Horry, Fisher, Fox, Shaw, etc was proven as a guy that would rise to the moment. Kings only had Bibby. And a poison cheeseburger.
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You are 100% right that the Kings choked and everyone except Bibby was responsible, especially Webber. But the rest of your post is just the incoherent ramblings of a crazy man

and there never should have been a game 7 to choke away in the first place.

But anyway, it's 2015 not 2002, where both the Kings and Lakers are irrelevant at this point.  Maybe next year we can have a heated discussion about how the lottery is rigged depending on how it falls in favor of the Lakers or Kings, since we won't be having rigged Playoff series debates any time soon 
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This is the breakdown I did 4 years ago. We had a thread on the series, someone posted game 6 in the thread via Youtube, and I broke down the entire 4th quarter, foul by foul.

After I posted this, not one single person replied or countered a single play/call. Zero.

But the narrative that something was amiss lives on, forever probably. But no one will actually rewatch the game, and view the actual calls, like I did. *shrugs*
11:33 Pollard. Bad Call. Arms up, challenging the shot. Walton clearly says, "That's not a foul." Not to mention the fact that Pollard picked up a qustionable offensive foul literally seconds prior to that. He picks up 2 fouls in 27 seconds and has now fouled out. Vlade is already laughing on the bench because he knows what's about to go down.

10:27 Webber. Clear foul. Trying to break up the easy bucket. 

8:29 Divac. Shaq travels on this play. Foul should have never been called. Walton even says it's a travel. Divac gets his 5th foul instead. Shaq makes one but Divac is now out of the game and they have to sub in Funderburke because of the BS calls against Pollard.

7:37 Jackson. Good call. Clear path. Now over the limit when it should only be 2 Team fouls.

6:20 Funderburke. AWFUL CALL. More FTs. Shaq makes one. Should still be at 2 Team fouls.

4:24 Webber. Can't see if he actually hit him on the head but he did hit him on the arm at least.
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 Good Call. Should be 3 Team Fouls now. 

3:06 Webber offensive foul. TERRIBLE CALL. Walton says it himself. Horry flops and Webber has 5 fouls now. Should have 4. He made the shot, too. So instead of 2 points, it is a turnover. Should be a 4 pt lead. Also, now you have one of the most dominant players to ever play basketball going up against two post players who are scared to get their 6th foul. 

2:56 Vlade. Should have been on Webber but either way, it should have been either the 5th foul on Webber or Divac instead of the 6th. Also, this should only be the 4th Team foul on the kings. Instead, the Lakers get 2 FTS and lose Divac.

2:16 Funderburke. Good call. Jumps over Shaq to try to deflect the ball. Guess what, tho. These are the only penalty free throws the lakers should have gotten and Shaq only made one.

1:54 Christie. Again, Walton is beside himself asking where the foul is. Bibby now knows the refs aren't gonna let them win this game. 2 more free points for the Lakers.

1:37 Funderburke Stupid play by a stupid player who would have never been in the game if it weren't for the previous bad calls on Vlade and Pollard. 2 more points.

1:15 Hedo. Easy call. Hits him on the arm on the shot. 

0:12 Kobe elbows Bibby in the face. Should be a turnover but the refs some how miss this one. Kings should have the ball with 12 seconds left and a chance to win the game with the last shot of the game.

I added a couples things in red just for kicks
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You guys need to stop letting these long *** posts sway your opinion 
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 I'm not saying the game was fixed but the refs easily cost the kings this game that's like a 10 point swing due to their calls. Not to mention taking key players out due to foul trouble. 

 
 
What you got for game 5 erupt, pretty sure I still have it on VHS tape somewhere.
 
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