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I seriously have been wondering all day who is going to get one of the big names first Knicks or Lakers??
Or Both land someone significant?
im leaning on both to "strike out"
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im leaning on both to "strike out"
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They don't need free agents, they already have the next great NBA superstar in Jordan Clarkson.But I thought he was going to the Lakers along with Westbrook, Love, Aldridge, Cousins, and KD?
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I seriously have been wondering all day who is going to get one of the big names first Knicks or Lakers??
Or Both land someone significant?
Lakers
Knicks aren't signing any big names.
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On the Knicks chase of DeAndre Jordan and Lamarcus Aldridge:
Zach Lowe: "The Knicks are 100 percent definitely interested [in DeAndre Jordan] and think they have a shot, which is interesting on a number of levels:
1.) He is not a triangle big by any stretch of the imagination. He is a PnR big, pure and simple, and he's fantastic at what he does. So many people say DeAndre is a bad offensive player - DeAndre is a sensational offensive player, he just happens to only do one thing. He just, it's a really good thing to be good at.
2.) The Knicks can't sign all these guys. They can't sign Greg Monroe, Arron Afflalo and DeAndre Jordan. They just don't have enough cap room. Do you get the sense that he's in the choice-A group, and Monroe is in the choice-B?
Marc Stein: They wanted to go after Marc Gasol, but they realized really quickly they have no shot at him. Aldridge will give them a meeting, so he naturally is at the top of their list, but it's kind of like Houston and Dallas last year with Carmelo Anthony - if the guy's going to give you a meeting, you have to take the meeting, because we're talking about one of the 20 best players in the league. But the Knicks are surely, realistic, you know, you've heard the talk: Monroe, Carroll, DeMarre Carroll. Those are the free agents around the league people generally think the Knicks have a chance at. I don't see Aldridge or Jordan going there. I just don't.
Zach Lowe: "The Knicks are 100 percent definitely interested [in DeAndre Jordan] and think they have a shot, which is interesting on a number of levels:
1.) He is not a triangle big by any stretch of the imagination. He is a PnR big, pure and simple, and he's fantastic at what he does. So many people say DeAndre is a bad offensive player - DeAndre is a sensational offensive player, he just happens to only do one thing. He just, it's a really good thing to be good at.
2.) The Knicks can't sign all these guys. They can't sign Greg Monroe, Arron Afflalo and DeAndre Jordan. They just don't have enough cap room. Do you get the sense that he's in the choice-A group, and Monroe is in the choice-B?
Marc Stein: They wanted to go after Marc Gasol, but they realized really quickly they have no shot at him. Aldridge will give them a meeting, so he naturally is at the top of their list, but it's kind of like Houston and Dallas last year with Carmelo Anthony - if the guy's going to give you a meeting, you have to take the meeting, because we're talking about one of the 20 best players in the league. But the Knicks are surely, realistic, you know, you've heard the talk: Monroe, Carroll, DeMarre Carroll. Those are the free agents around the league people generally think the Knicks have a chance at. I don't see Aldridge or Jordan going there. I just don't.
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Zach Lowe: "Sam Amick confirmed that DeAndre Jordan is not going to meet with Milwaukee, because it's Milwaukee, and Lamarcus Aldridge is going to meet with Toronto. I can't tell if he's doing them a solid, or if he actually wants to hear what the Raptors have to say."
Marc Stein: "Look at Houston - Houston doesn't even have cap space yet to get Aldridge, and yet they got the meeting. I think there's some value in that, in that it does enhance the reputation of your franchise. The Rockets are known as a mover-and-shaker, and you gotta kind of hat-tip them when they don't have the cap space yet. So it matters, it definitely matters."
Marc Stein: "Look at Houston - Houston doesn't even have cap space yet to get Aldridge, and yet they got the meeting. I think there's some value in that, in that it does enhance the reputation of your franchise. The Rockets are known as a mover-and-shaker, and you gotta kind of hat-tip them when they don't have the cap space yet. So it matters, it definitely matters."
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No one big is going to the Knicks. Players are only using the Knicks interest to leverage better deals.
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I definitely like the overall points they're making in general about the NBA, free agency, but the more they talk -> the less I think either of them really know about this particular free agency (who's going where).
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Knicks getting Jordan Hill.
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Lowe: "The Carmelo thing, whether he's happy with the Kristaps Porzingis pick or not, I don't even care - but this is why [New York] should've thought more seriously about trading him - not in his final season, but the year before his final season. Which, admittedly, would've been tough, because they were actually good the year that coincided with the final year of his contract ... but it should've been an option that they considered, because this is what happens: If you get really bad, decide to rebuild, and your centerpiece is 30- or 31-years-old, like, this is just sort of simple, basic math and team-building. One guy's 31, and one guy's 18 or 19 - the first guy's not going to be good by the time the second guy becomes good. That's just how it works."
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if y'all could put articles in spoilers it'd be greatly appreciated for mobile guys
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^ Will do from here on out.
On Jimmy Butler:
Marc Stein: "It's basically been described to me that it's, as close to 100% or the percentage you're willing to go, that's [Jimmy Butler's] staying with Chicago. Could he play it out on a one-year deal? It sounds like he's determined to do something short, is that the way it's going to go? The Bulls, by the steps they took yesterday with maxing him, means the competition has to offer at least three years. That only helps Chicago's cause. He is not leaving Chicago, that much we know, how long the deal is? That much I'm not smart enough to figure out.
Zach Lowe: "Now that he got the max qualifying offer, it has to be three, fully-guaranteed seasons from some other team. And you want to say, well, if he wants to get out early, he should just wait for another team to give him that offer - and maybe somebody will, or he could threaten that he's going to do that and kind of go back to the Bulls, and the Bulls can actually do something nice for once, and let him out, you know, give him a four-year deal with a player option or something."
On Jimmy Butler:
Marc Stein: "It's basically been described to me that it's, as close to 100% or the percentage you're willing to go, that's [Jimmy Butler's] staying with Chicago. Could he play it out on a one-year deal? It sounds like he's determined to do something short, is that the way it's going to go? The Bulls, by the steps they took yesterday with maxing him, means the competition has to offer at least three years. That only helps Chicago's cause. He is not leaving Chicago, that much we know, how long the deal is? That much I'm not smart enough to figure out.
Zach Lowe: "Now that he got the max qualifying offer, it has to be three, fully-guaranteed seasons from some other team. And you want to say, well, if he wants to get out early, he should just wait for another team to give him that offer - and maybe somebody will, or he could threaten that he's going to do that and kind of go back to the Bulls, and the Bulls can actually do something nice for once, and let him out, you know, give him a four-year deal with a player option or something."
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These writers don't know **** about what's happening this offseason concerning free agency. It's all speculation.
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Marc Stein: "I think that Tobias Harris is the one that could actually move ... I'm struggling to gauge Orlando's appetite: Are they in a 'Will match any offer' mode? I don't think so. Draymond, Butler, Kawhi, Tristan, even Middleton, their teams value them so much, it's really hard for me to see a scenario where they get swiped away ... DET wants Draymond, we've been hearing that talk for ages and it makes a zillion percent sense, but I think that anybody who watched the parade knows that Draymond Green deeply, deeply, deeply loves being at the heart of the mix with the Golden State Warriors. He doesn't want to go anywhere, they just won a championship, he and Stephen Curry get along famously. The Warriors are probably going to trade David Lee at some point this month to free up some things financially, just to make sure they can afford these guys.
I shouldn't say Middleton is completely out of the picture. Milwaukee has tons of cap space, they can't get in the DeAndre Jordan mix, do they really have a chance at Tyson Chandler, they wanted to go after Marc Gasol as well and realized that that was a no-hoper. I don't see the Bucks losing Middleton."
Zach Lowe: "If the whole league knows that the Cavs will match on Tristan Thompson and the Warriors will match on Draymond Green, is anybody going to bother with the offer sheet? If they don't bother, how aggressive are those teams going to be, to squeeze them a little bit, and sort of dare them to do what Greg Monroe did, and take the qualifying offer? Like, an Eric Bledsoe situation last year, which took forever, and a Nikola Pekovic situation from two years ago, took forever, I feel like it seems like those should happen more, because teams can squeeze a little bit. But it's kind of impolite to do it."
I don't think he's right on Pekovic...
I shouldn't say Middleton is completely out of the picture. Milwaukee has tons of cap space, they can't get in the DeAndre Jordan mix, do they really have a chance at Tyson Chandler, they wanted to go after Marc Gasol as well and realized that that was a no-hoper. I don't see the Bucks losing Middleton."
Zach Lowe: "If the whole league knows that the Cavs will match on Tristan Thompson and the Warriors will match on Draymond Green, is anybody going to bother with the offer sheet? If they don't bother, how aggressive are those teams going to be, to squeeze them a little bit, and sort of dare them to do what Greg Monroe did, and take the qualifying offer? Like, an Eric Bledsoe situation last year, which took forever, and a Nikola Pekovic situation from two years ago, took forever, I feel like it seems like those should happen more, because teams can squeeze a little bit. But it's kind of impolite to do it."
I don't think he's right on Pekovic...
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Greg Monroe will meet with four teams when free agency starts
Jeff Zillgit, USA Today Sports I 4:21 p.m. EDT June 30, 2015
Free agent forward-center Greg Monroe plans to meet with four teams in the first 24 hours of a free agency.
The Milwaukee Bucks, Los Angeles Lakers, New York Knicks and Portland Trail Blazers are on Monroe's list on day one of free agency, and there is a possibility he meets with other teams, a person familiar with the situation told USA TODAY Sports.
The person requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the plans of those teams.
Monroe is an offensive-minded, solid-rebounding (especially on the offensive end) big man who averaged 15.9 points and 10.2 rebounds in 31 minutes per game for the Detroit Pistons last season.
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Monroe, who spent his first five seasons with the Pistons, planned for unrestricted free agency at this point his career – entering his sixth NBA season – by accepting Detroit's qualifying offer before last season, avoiding restricted free agency.
Now, Monroe, 25, gets to pick his team, and his agent David Falk wants Monroe to consider all preferences beyond money, if the money is about is going to be just about equal. Is there a city in which Monroe wants to live? A coach for whom he wants to play? Other players with who he wants to play?
Another factor in the Monroe negotiations: Monroe is interested in a three-year deal with the ability to opt out after the 2016-17 season and hit free agency in the summer of 2017 and take advantage of a salary cap that is projected to hit $108 million.
While Monroe has long been tabbed as a good fit for the Knicks – Monroe can operate out of either the high post or low post in the triangle offense – the Lakers are also a strong possibility, especially if LaMarcus Aldridge signs elsewhere.
The Lakers are intrigued because they also run principles of the triangle offense and envision Monroe, who is an able passer, making the right reads in Byron Scott's offense, which also employs Princeton-style sets at times.
But Portland will make a strong pitch, too, given that it's more than likely Aldridge leaves Portland. The Bucks are an interesting team in the mix. They made the playoffs last year with a focus on defense, not what Monroe is known for, but Milwaukee definitely could use his offense.
The Milwaukee Bucks, Los Angeles Lakers, New York Knicks and Portland Trail Blazers are on Monroe's list on day one of free agency, and there is a possibility he meets with other teams, a person familiar with the situation told USA TODAY Sports.
The person requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the plans of those teams.
Monroe is an offensive-minded, solid-rebounding (especially on the offensive end) big man who averaged 15.9 points and 10.2 rebounds in 31 minutes per game for the Detroit Pistons last season.
USA TODAY SPORTS WIRE
2015 NBA free agency: Complete list of free agents
Monroe, who spent his first five seasons with the Pistons, planned for unrestricted free agency at this point his career – entering his sixth NBA season – by accepting Detroit's qualifying offer before last season, avoiding restricted free agency.
Now, Monroe, 25, gets to pick his team, and his agent David Falk wants Monroe to consider all preferences beyond money, if the money is about is going to be just about equal. Is there a city in which Monroe wants to live? A coach for whom he wants to play? Other players with who he wants to play?
Another factor in the Monroe negotiations: Monroe is interested in a three-year deal with the ability to opt out after the 2016-17 season and hit free agency in the summer of 2017 and take advantage of a salary cap that is projected to hit $108 million.
While Monroe has long been tabbed as a good fit for the Knicks – Monroe can operate out of either the high post or low post in the triangle offense – the Lakers are also a strong possibility, especially if LaMarcus Aldridge signs elsewhere.
The Lakers are intrigued because they also run principles of the triangle offense and envision Monroe, who is an able passer, making the right reads in Byron Scott's offense, which also employs Princeton-style sets at times.
But Portland will make a strong pitch, too, given that it's more than likely Aldridge leaves Portland. The Bucks are an interesting team in the mix. They made the playoffs last year with a focus on defense, not what Monroe is known for, but Milwaukee definitely could use his offense.
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The Kings-Rondo one-year deal marriage has been talked about for three years now, and always in the, "I'm simply using your team to help me rise up from the depths, and I'll show you up at our scheduled free-agent-meeting when next summer comes" type of way.
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