OFFICIAL NFL Discussion Thread: 2015-16 Season - Congrats to the Denver Broncos and their fans! SB 5

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I can't equate deflating footballs and a gambling scheme within a league. I get the comparison and metaphor but too far apart on the spectrum for me


Still can't believe they didn't settle at a game of that was truly on the table
 
The Collector said:
Mister Friendly said:
Betting on MLB games you manage is not the same as an equipment issue.

Look at similar equipment misconduct.

What were the punishments for the Chargers, Vikings or Jay Feely?

The NFL could not even prove Brady was involved in deflating the balls. Goodell just said HE didn't find Brady's story believable.
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It is the same and here's how. Competitive advantage. Rose was a player and manager. His play and moves as a manager could effect the game on field influenced by betting.

I'm not for or against Tom. I have enough to worry about being a Skins fan. Any sane person would know and many HOF QBs have stated that there is no way you can't tell a difference in pressure. I don't think it's a big deal because I'm sure many have done it. You just can't have the public in anyway believe there isn't a level playing field and the games fixed towards one team to win. It's WWE at that point.
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Let's pretend asking your equipment manager to deflate Footballs is a HUGE competitive advantage.

Aren't the Chargers, Vikings and Jay Feely equipment violations similar in nature?

What were their punishments?

Why does Tom Brady get his alleged equipment violation get treated like an armed robbery when the other violations were treated like a parking ticket?
 
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Suspending TJ is the equivalent of messing with the drunk ugly girl cause your prom date left with the King. Goddell just wanted to **** somebody :smh:
 
Mister Friendly said:
Let's pretend asking your equipment manager to deflate Footballs is a HUGE competitive advantage.

Aren't the Chargers, Vikings and Jay Feely equipment violations similar in nature?

What were their punishments?

Why does Tom Brady get his alleged equipment violation get treated like an armed robbery when the other violations were treated like a parking ticket?
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I said I don't think it was a big deal. The NFL did and I'm telling you what their angle was. They could have made a big deal about those others but didn't. I never said the treatment was fair.

Pats were snitched on before hand and sure enough had done exactly what was reported. They could have brushed it off but it's the PATS! What's the other teams you named current cheating history? The whispers are louder with them. Many teams, players and fans are on record before hand calling them cheaters. They're the one team who if caught people wouldn't let it go.

Those other teams are losing while cheating. Pats winning SBs. The spotlight and attention is totally different. People care more.
 
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dmxfury said:
Still can't believe they didn't settle at a game of that was truly on the table
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i don't think a game was ever realistically on the table, man. NFL was stuck on admission of guilt and TB12 was stuck on no admission of guilt
 
Mister Friendly said:
I believe the main point of the Brady case was that Goodell didn't follow the CBA. It doesn't mean Goodell has no power, it just means he needs to follow the CBA.

If anything Goodell needs to tone down the punishment, it doesn't help anybody tangibly.
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Nah Goodell actually followed the CBA. That's why a lot of people were saying the players can't really be all that mad about how stuff is being handled, this is the CBA they agreed to.

The big thing right now  is that  the judge essentially called into question the powers Goodell supposedly has under the CBA, it doesn't look the same if a precedent has been set that these powers aren't necessarily defendable in the courtroom.

It's also the reason why people were saying early on that this case is much bigger than Brady.
 
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@Chester McFloppy

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The Collector said:
Mister Friendly said:
Let's pretend asking your equipment manager to deflate Footballs is a HUGE competitive advantage.

Aren't the Chargers, Vikings and Jay Feely equipment violations similar in nature?

What were their punishments?

Why does Tom Brady get his alleged equipment violation get treated like an armed robbery when the other violations were treated like a parking ticket?
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I said I don't think it was a big deal. The NFL did and I'm telling you what their angle was. They could have made a big deal about those others but didn't. I never said the treatment was fair.

Pats were snitched on before hand and sure enough had done exactly what was reported. They could have brushed it off but it's the PATS! What's the other teams you named current cheating history? The whispers are louder with them. Many teams, players and fans are on record before hand calling them cheaters. They're the one team who if caught people wouldn't let it go.

Those other teams are losing while cheating. Pats winning SBs. The spotlight and attention is totally different. People care more.
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You cant punish one team with alleged equipment violations differently just because they win alot.
 
STR8DROP said:
Mister Friendly said:
I believe the main point of the Brady case was that Goodell didn't follow the CBA. It doesn't mean Goodell has no power, it just means he needs to follow the CBA.


If anything Goodell needs to tone down the punishment, it doesn't help anybody tangibly.
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Nah Goodell actually followed the CBA. That's why a lot of people were saying the players can't really be all that mad about how stuff is being handled, this is the CBA they agreed to.

The big thing right now  is that  the judge essentially called into question the powers Goodell supposedly has under the CBA, it doesn't look the same if a precedent has been set that these powers aren't necessarily defendable in the courtroom.

It's also the reason why people were saying early on that this case is much bigger than Brady.
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No Judge Berman vacated the punishment because the NFL didn't follow the CBA. The main point was inadequate notice to Brady of both his potential discipline (four game suspension) and his alleged misconduct.
 
Just got home to watch ESPN. I feel like the coverage has changed. I could've sworn a lot ESPN pundits were anti-Brady when they thought the NFL had a case.

Now the coverage seems to be pro-Brady.
 
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Man what a ball night. College has kicked off, Nats in a playoff race and Skins vs Jags. Colt playing all four quarters.
 
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