OFFICIAL NFL Discussion Thread: 2015-16 Season - Congrats to the Denver Broncos and their fans! SB 5

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TBreeze said:
Srs question.

Should we still care about Greg Hardy? Shorty got paid off and decided that was enough, so why do we still care?
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We still care with other players so why would this be different? Sports fans hang on to things when it isn't related to their own team
 
Mister Friendly said:
I'm pretty sure Shockey was pretty ripped.

I remember posting a shirtless pic of him back in the day.
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Mister Friendly said:
Dan is a great guy, I hope he does well.

If they suck at this point it's all on Tannehill.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

So much has been explained the last 24 hours with this guy. :lol:

PTI, backs Duncan and Russ, shirtless Shockey pics, believes reports from Miko Grimes, Sophomore year scouting work.

I get it now. Damn, all the time I've wasted talkin to you. I shoulda known. :lol:
 
Oh you've been waiting for that...You had that one saved up.

Felt good didn't it?

:lol:

Posting shirtless pics is all in good fun even if it wasn't it's not the 1970s, there's no need to be a homophobe.

Yeah liking Tim Duncan is crazy...right?

RW3 too...right?

Thinking Tannehill is average and believinb an account about Tannehill that has confirmed by multiple sources is ludicrous...right?

It's hard when youre fundamentally wrong on so many things...I know it bothers you.
 
Says the guy that blames team failure on one player/position.

That's not fundamentally wrong at all. :lol:
 
It's not a fundamentally flawed thought process, that if a quarterback gets the most credit they also receive the most blame.It's a thought process, that crosses other Sports especially Basketball.

Is it fair?...maybe... but it's a it is what it is type of thing.

Ive noticed your schtick is pick a talented guy that has built in excuses and that hasn't achieved the maximum level of greatness and crown them the greatest.

That explains you believing Dan Marino and Randy Moss are greatest players ever at their position, when they really don't have accomplishments or numbers worthy of such a title.
 
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Mister Friendly said:
It's not a fundamentally flawed thought process, that if a quarterback gets the most credit they also receive the most blame.It's a thought process, that crosses other Sports especially Basketball.

Is it fair?...maybe... but it's a it is what it is type of thing.

Ive noticed your schtick is pick a talented guy that has built in excuses and that hasn't achieved the maximum level of greatness and crown them the greatest.

That explains you believing Dan Marino and Randy Moss are greatest players ever at their position, when they really don't have accomplishments or numbers worthy of such a title.
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I can understand that since you watch ESPN/PTI and what not. And you care about credit and blame, given by media or sheep.

That context you claim to care about, but never use. I dig it.

But I'm the one fundamentally wrong. :lol:
 
The thing is it's not just ESPN/PTI thing.

It's the Sports culture thing, winning and achievement are the most valued.

You play to win the game.

You don't play to get numbers and have excuses.
 
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Mister Friendly said:
The thing is it's not just ESPN/PTI thing.

It's the Sports culture thing, winning and achievement are the most valued.

You play to win the game.

You don't play to get numbers and have excuses.
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I just got back from lunch, so I have no clue everything that you guys are going on about..

but it isn't that simple.. yes winning and achievements are important.. but when you look at individuals you have to consider the sport they are playing and the impact they can on the overall game

even though I don't watch baseball anymore, they have done a tremendous job of valuing the individual within the larger team concept.. for a QB there are number of variables just on the offensive side of the ball which must be factored in when making comparisons between just QBs
 
Mister Friendly said:
The thing is it's not just ESPN/PTI thing.

It's the Sports culture thing, winning and achievement are the most valued.

You play to win the game.

You don't play to get numbers and have excuses.
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No, it's a sheep/PTI generation thing.

Randy Moss didn't choose to be drafted by the Vikings. Nor did Jerry Rice choose to be drafted by the 9ers.

Jerry was surrounded by HOFers his whole career. Randy didn't have that luck.

Randy didn't miss the kick that cost him the 98 NFCCG.

Randy had caught the game winning TD in the Super Bowl, until helmet catch happened, and he didn't.

Wes Welker was a nobody in San Diego and Miami. Then he became an All Pro type in NE.

Jerry also cheated during his career, and even said it himself.


Players do their jobs, then depend on 52 others to do theirs. I get why you believe the only ones that matter are the ones that win in the end, because that's as deep as you understand, but that's not what I base players/talent on.

Winning doesn't always tell the whole story.
Stats don't always tell the whole story.

There's so many variables in multiple different areas that can affect what you place on one guy.

Barry Sanders never won anything, I need that to somehow tell me how good he was, or wasn't?

You see QB's throw for 400 yards and lose in playoff games, and see QB's throw for 100 yards and win.

KIurt Warner is 2-3 yards away from being 3-0 in the Super Bowl, he's also a yard away from being 0-3. LAYERS of impact that cannot be measured as to how good he was, or wasn't vs someone else.


You try to simplify it, because you need it simple to understand. It's not always like that.

Of the sports, Basketball is actually the easiest one to dissect, and even that's not perfect. But fewest positions, and players play both ways. Barry Bonds can't pitch to help his team win. Randy Moss can't kick field goals, or play Safety. At least an MJ, or LeBron, or Kobe can play on offense and defense and impact his team on either side, adapt to what his team needs. Can't do that in football or baseball. So simplifying doesn't work.

Absolutely Super Bowls are important, and matter. But it's not excuses when some guys don't get the top glory you speak of. Just as the ones that actually win don't deserve all that much credit for when they do win, because they may not have done all that much to earn that glory.

#Context
 
Sports have always been and always be this way.

It's a bottom line business.

What ifs and excuses don't count and that's why I and a lot other people like it.

Randy did play with HOFs and great players too.

Jerry smashed him in every metric and achievement even if you only use his pre injury numbers and achievements.

And I don't even want to get into your Kobe paradox where he gets credit having to play with Smush/Walton/ Sasha etc but no discredit for having Shaq and Phil.
 
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Jerry played with HOFers from the day he was drafted. Randy had to wait years of his career.

And Kobe gets CRUSHED for Shaq/Phil, the **** are you talkin about? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: But this ain't the thread for that.


And this

Sports have always been and always be this way.
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Is wrong.

That's why analytics are taking over. We don't need to bury our heads in the sand and just believe whoever wins that year is the best, etc. There's way more than enough info to be informed. So always will be this way, holds no water.
 
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