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post #31 of 1862
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The media is still brainwashing women to believe that white men are the archetype of masculinity. That white women are the archetype of beauty.

 
Not really anymore. In the last maybe 15+ years, the media portrays White males as soft or feminine compared to Black males. You see a lot of films and tv shows with a Black male and a White female. Almost never the other way around.

hipster, yea but not soft

And the black males with females are usually "safe" black males. Donald glover types
post #32 of 1862

As far as the film industries go, there seems to be a lot of Asians in high profile directorial roles. But they never cast Asians as leads, maybe a 3rd tier character. So is it fair to say, your own people close the doors on Asian actors? Or is it because the producers are calling the shots on who they can cast?

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I agree with Asians and Latinos, but I think Blacks get a lot of exposure. If you notice any show or movie with a Black male with a White girlfriend, they always cast the White guy friend as the goofy nerd, next to the cool, suave, strong Black guy.

That comes from the increased pressure of being politically correct in today's age.

 

I still think at the root, the stereotypes still strongly exist.


The global standards of beauty is still whiteness

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post #34 of 1862
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Inspired by the Black Culture Discussion Thread

Some stereotypes we need to address:
- Lack of masculinity
- Low self confidence/self esteem
- No talents outside of studying
- Lack of success with women

How do we improve and break out of society's limitations?

*Those stereotypes aren't things I agree with, just judgements and perceptions I know for a fact non-asians have of us
Mainstream media is the cancer for all this.

Thank god for YouTube though. All these Indie Asian American filmmakers smokin.gif
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post #35 of 1862
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As far as the film industries go, there seems to be a lot of Asians in high profile directorial roles. But they never cast Asians as leads, maybe a 3rd tier character. So is it fair to say, your own people close the doors on Asian actors? Or is it because the producers are calling the shots on who they can cast?

It's because even though the directors are Asian, they know what sells and appeals to the masses. Sucks but that's reality

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That comes from the increased pressure of being politically correct in today's age.

 

I still think at the root, the stereotypes still strongly exist.


The global standards of beauty is still whiteness


As far White females being the standard, can you blame the media? I think the general opinion of men is that White women are the most desireable. Just look at that Hilary Duff thread. You got all kinds of minorities in there talking about voting Republican to get with her. :rollin

 

Even in that other Asian thread, all the guys in there have or want a White gf.

post #37 of 1862
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It's because even though the directors are Asian, they know what sells and appeals to the masses. Sucks but that's reality


Instead of going against the grain and break grounds, they prefer to play the role and collect their check.

post #38 of 1862
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As far White females being the standard, can you blame the media? I think the general opinion of men is that White women are the most desireable. Just look at that Hilary Duff thread. You got all kinds of minorities in there talking about voting Republican to get with her. :rollin

 

Even in that other Asian thread, all the guys in there have or want a White gf.

Nah I don't blame the media for that. I think it's deeply rooted in society over generations. I wish I had the answer as to why. I definitely know I'm attracted as **** to white women, but African American women will always be number 1 for me. I have no idea why but that's how it is.

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post #39 of 1862
Hard for a director to break the norm when you have the top people funding your major project :/

They dictate it all
post #40 of 1862
There's nothing wrong with having a white gf.
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post #41 of 1862
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There's nothing wrong with having a white gf.
You'll be getting mad dabs for sure, assuming chick is at least average laugh.gif
post #42 of 1862

I just looked up Justin Lin's credits as director. He's been in 19 projects and only 1 film, "Better luck tomorrow" has Asian leads. I liked that film by the way. Breath of fresh air and this was like 12 years ago.

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You'll be getting mad dabs for sure, assuming chick is at least average laugh.gif
I don't settle for average laugh.gif
needs to be 7 at least
But see, that's the problem with American society and their view of interracial dating with Asian males. It's somewhat frowned upon by white society for a white woman to date an Asian male, yet it's totally fine a white man dates a Asian chick.
We shouldn't need daps or special looks from friends to be dating someone not related to our skin tone or culture, rather just "Hey your girlfriend looks nice" and keep it moving. But as long as racism and stereotypes exist, this cycle will continue to happen.
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post #44 of 1862
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I just looked up Justin Lin's credits as director. He's been in 19 projects and only 1 film, "Better luck tomorrow" has Asian leads. I liked that film by the way. Breath of fresh air and this was like 12 years ago.
Had to watch that for my upper division Asian American studies class, I liked it.
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post #45 of 1862
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I don't settle for average laugh.gif
needs to be 7 at least
But see, that's the problem with American society and their view of interracial dating with Asian males. It's somewhat frowned upon by white society for a white woman to date an Asian male, yet it's totally fine a white man dates a Asian chick.
We shouldn't need daps or special looks from friends to be dating someone not related to our skin tone or color, rather just "Hey your girlfriend looks nice" and keep it moving. But as long as racism and stereotypes exist, this cycle will continue to happen.

Yep. I don't know how many times I've heard "He's Asian but not Asian Asian" from girls describing me

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post #46 of 1862
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Yep. I don't know how many times I've heard "He's Asian but not Asian Asian" from girls describing me
Luckily I never heard that said about me, but damn laugh.gif

Can't do anything about the racism though, it's been hardwired into people by dominant aka white society
The only way we can combat this is by not making deals with white society, but rather paving our own successes.
For example, the Chinese Americans set up banks here that helped stabilize the Chinese communities and help promote economic growth. You never hear white people laugh at our money.
Now Asian Americans are popular on YouTube (Ryan Higa, WongFuProductions, JKFilms, Michelle Phan), got people realizing Asian Americans are more diverse and talented in other areas
The only way is up now.
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post #47 of 1862
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Luckily I never heard that said about me, but damn laugh.gif

Can't do anything about the racism though, it's been hardwired into people by dominant aka white society
The only way we can combat this is by not making deals with white society, but rather paving our own successes.
For example, the Chinese Americans set up banks here that helped stabilize the Chinese communities and help promote economic growth. You never hear white people laugh at our money.
Now Asian Americans are popular on YouTube (Ryan Higa, WongFuProductions, JKFilms, Michelle Phan), got people realizing Asian Americans are more diverse and talented in other areas
The only way is up now.

I think there is a big difference in how Asian Americans are perceived and how Asians in other countries are perceived.

 

I used to let this get me down, but my desire and persistence to improve is much greater now.

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post #48 of 1862
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It's because even though the directors are Asian, they know what sells and appeals to the masses. Sucks but that's reality


Instead of going against the grain and break grounds, they prefer to play the role and collect their check.

The studios would be pissed if they went with an Asian lead, lettuce be cereal.
post #49 of 1862
The most disrespectful thing is when they have white dudes play Asian characters. For example that Dragon Ball movie with a white dude playing Goku. I mean yeah he's technically an alien, and yes, it would've been trash no matter what, but come on, in the anime he and the other Saiyans clearly look 100% Asian.

Another movie that comes to mind is The Prince of Persia being played by Jake Gyllenhaal with a spray tan laugh.gif Different type of Asian but still Asian nonetheless
post #50 of 1862
Anyone else feel like the way our parents conveyed "success" to us as kids is the true culprit behind dominant culture's perception of us, both socially and intellectually? I.E. the "good jobs" aka intellectual jobs became the holy grail in their eyes so in order to live up to their expectations we conditioned ourselves to be better at and spend more time overall studying/working ect which inadvertently led to less dynamic social skill and/or sports ability thus spawning the sterotypes of "hard worker," "diligent," "passive aggressive," "nerdy," and so on
post #51 of 1862
I think it would depend on the person. I know lots of Asians that work white collar jobs that are very social.
post #52 of 1862
^^If that was a reply to me, I'm speaking more to the effect that having those specific values internalized since you were born forces you in the direction of lawyer/doctor/engineer/computer science and thus we have these very generalized stereotypes of smart and nerdy. I think most people can relate to watching football and bball/skate videos/rappers when they were growing up and always looking for that one asian guy to look up to and it never happened (until more recently). As a result, I think we conditioned ourselves to believe it wasn't feasible and what's worse is even if there was someone in that role, your parents most likely made you feel like they were an extreme outlier or that you couldn't make it doing the same path.
post #53 of 1862
Oh yeah, for sure. That makes sense.

I remember when I was in Taiwan I would play pick up ball. There was this kid that was REALLY good. Like if he was over here he'd might have a shot a mid-tier D1 school.

I asked if he considered it, he said no because Asians don't play professional basketball. His parents wanted him to focus on school and academics.
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I just think Asian parents are EXTREMELY competitive, especially moms. Moms will literally sit around and talk about their kids accomplishments trying to one up each other. A lot of comparisons with their kids goes on.

I remember just hanging around one time. Like the parents will be real passive aggressive, but you know what they're trying to do.




As far as negative stereotypes - there are the obvious/common ones. Socially awkward, can't speak English properly, can't drive, small penis, eat dog etc ..., **** like that.

Of course we have the positive stereotypes, but that can be a negative cause a lot of people don't fit that stereotype.

"Hey do you know the answer to this?"
"No".
"But you're Asian".
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btw, for the non asians, feel free to ask any questions

i guess i am familiar with those you mentioned, i guess what i am interested in is how, if at all, asians (or specifically how you as an asian processed them) internalize these stereotypes? or if they are reinforced or perpetuated culturally in any way? because on the one hand, i feel like most people don't really have a lot of information on asian culture to construct them, all i knew of "asian" culture was from kung fu & ninja flicks really, and a chinese kid with whom i went to junior high and would sometimes talk about how strict our parents were. and on the other hand, not to downplay these stereotypes because they are all hurtful on some level and do effect one's self perception, but these are fairly benign (besides the small peen thing, that perception probably does lead to some real missed opportunities!), like do you think people at the dmv go extra hard on asians getting a drivers license? or when someone's dog goes missing do the neighbors ring the asian families residences? do asians buy in to the idea that they work harder and/or are smarter?

one of the things i have alway been curious about ever since i became aware of chinatown in my home city (chicago) and their prevalence in just about every major city was how apolitical asians (generically & specifically) seem to be in the states, now it could totally be that i am unaware of those that are, but it always struck me as odd that there don't seem to be many visible public figures in politics that are asian (bobby jindal?)? that is why it as somewhat surprising (but i guess not exactly unexpected because that is what all humans do) to me to hear about in-fighting & backstabbing because of how these asian communites seem to have take root & coalesced is so many places kinda without much resistance/incident (definitely ignorant to the history as it pertains to this)...

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^ that's how African parents are......kids of African immigrants do really well just like Asians



Probably seems overbearing to deal with but in the end it pays off!

yea there is probably something about that immigrant grind that rubs off on the next generation; but the disturbing thing for proceeding generations of african immigrants who stay here and eventually become black is how quickly those gains are lost; i'm not familiar with how stable asians are in the next generations, but judging from the income gap it is probably a lot better...
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^Back stabbing as in they don't like it when someone shines. They mingle with one another. The Thai community is large, but it seems like almost everyone knows each other...except for a few like me because I wasn't in the circle to begin with. If someone has a business and becomes "too successful", the hate is real. They will smile in front of you, but talk crap behind you and take action to see you fail.

If you open a restaurant and its profiting, they may slander in the local newspaper saying it's not authentic or call the local health dept and say they found foreign particles in the food. They know they are secretly talking and doing these things while continuing to hang out with each other at functions and putting on fake smile. Typing from my phone mad early. Hope it makes sense. Didn't re read.

that's mad grimey, like i noted above surprising but somewhat to be expected, the thing is i almost never hear asians really complain/talk about themselves culturally (certainly other ethnic asians outside their ethnicity/nationality though)...
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Not really anymore. In the last maybe 15+ years, the media portrays White males as soft or feminine compared to Black males. You see a lot of films and tv shows with a Black male and a White female. Almost never the other way around.


laugh.gif Nah bro.


What you're describing are outliers.


And it transcends just the black/white dynamic.


Asians, Latinos, and other racial groups are misrepresented.

i would agree with @SneakerHeathen the visage of hyper-masculinity is the black male, you could argue about the positivity of that image or how much power or agency it is given or even if it is representative of real life, but it is rather obvious to me...i would not go as far as to white men are portrayed as soft or effeminate rather that their caricatures are tempered with some other quality desirable quality smarts, cunning, whatever...where black dudes are rendered rather simplistically

there was a study (how much weight it holds...questionable) that was conducted that rated the attractiveness of different ethnicities of both men & women that found that black men & asian women were found the most desirable...while the exact reverse was found for the least desirable, asian men & black women; this was of course controversial and the methodology & reasoning for it in the first place weren't really transparent or talked about but if you think about the stereotypical portrayal of asian men (quiet & non-asssertive, hyper-sexualized negatively) & women (petite and docile, hyper-sexualized positively) and black men (hyper-masculine, physical, hyper-sexualized positively) & women (loud, argumentative, hyper-sexualized negatively) it makes some perverse sense...
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As far as the film industries go, there seems to be a lot of Asians in high profile directorial roles. But they never cast Asians as leads, maybe a 3rd tier character. So is it fair to say, your own people close the doors on Asian actors? Or is it because the producers are calling the shots on who they can cast?

no because directors don't necessarily get final say, the studios still control a lot of the casting decisions and the focus group just about everything, so they're not going to let too many directors play with their money like that. certain directors do have a bit of influence to get who they want but ultimately the people with the money are in charge...though given how so many big budget flicks are targeting a more global audience, especially the burgeoning/growing chinese audiences i think we will see more asians getting casted...
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Yep. I don't know how many times I've heard "He's Asian but not Asian Asian" from girls describing me
Luckily I never heard that said about me, but damn laugh.gif

Can't do anything about the racism though, it's been hardwired into people by dominant aka white society
The only way we can combat this is by not making deals with white society, but rather paving our own successes.
For example, the Chinese Americans set up banks here that helped stabilize the Chinese communities and help promote economic growth. You never hear white people laugh at our money.
Now Asian Americans are popular on YouTube (Ryan Higa, WongFuProductions, JKFilms, Michelle Phan), got people realizing Asian Americans are more diverse and talented in other areas
The only way is up now.

curious about this as well, besides the asian = chinese (i heard this complaint from many asian co-workers i have had), how much does racism factor in on a consistent basis, in what ways do you think asians are held back? do you think some selection/confirmation bias plays a part? for example; if you are an asian kid that loves basketball and are super good but aren't freakishly tall, does the fact that there aren't many examples of asian players deter you from pursuing basketball? there may not be anyone explicitly telling an asian kid that he/she could not be a ball player rather they make come to the decision not to pursue it due to the path not seeming clear or feasible with not many examples? i think plays some part in some of these cultural thing, and becomes self-fulfilling in a way...
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post #55 of 1862
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i guess i am familiar with those you mentioned, i guess what i am interested in is how, if at all, asians (or specifically how you as an asian processed them) internalize these stereotypes? or if they are reinforced or perpetuated culturally in any way? because on the one hand, i feel like most people don't really have a lot of information on asian culture to construct them, all i knew of "asian" culture was from kung fu & ninja flicks really, and a chinese kid with whom i went to junior high and would sometimes talk about how strict our parents were. and on the other hand, not to downplay these stereotypes because they are all hurtful on some level and do effect one's self perception, but these are fairly benign (besides the small peen thing, that perception probably does lead to some real missed opportunities!), like do you think people at the dmv go extra hard on asians getting a drivers license? or when someone's dog goes missing do the neighbors ring the asian families residences? do asians buy in to the idea that they work harder and/or are smarter?
Personally, I think the stereotypes are more powerful in the way we, as Asians, understand them. As they say, often our perception of ourselves is a reflection of what other people perceive and expect of us. In this case, most likely growing up you accepted these stereotypes as true. From that point on, you are subconsciously qualifying yourself against these character traits. For me, this is where the asian-asian or white washed asians or blackwashed asian monikers spawn from. Not from other cultures but from the myriad of Asian cultures trying to constantly hammer in which values we need to portray overtly. This is important because on a day to day basis you either are seeking to live up to the stereotype or you are overtly trying to disassociate from it. I think this is the reason a lot of people struggle/fight with identity until they are older and come to embrace their cultures. First you have to figure out where you stand on the issue of stereotypes.
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for example; if you are an asian kid that loves basketball and are super good but aren't freakishly tall, does the fact that there aren't many examples of asian players deter you from pursuing basketball? there may not be anyone explicitly telling an asian kid that he/she could not be a ball player rather they make come to the decision not to pursue it due to the path not seeming clear or feasible with not many examples? i think plays some part in some of these cultural thing, and becomes self-fulfilling in a way...

There are probably too many underlying factors to hit them all, but I will mention a few that come to find. Firstly, my understanding is that any type of physical work whether it's craft, sports, design, chef/cooking is looked down upon (as in not the definition of successful) in regards to "intellectual" pursuits where you can sit behind a desk and use your brain (for lack of a better word) to make the same or better money. I should note that this has never been explicitly conveyed to me but this is the same attitude that I get again and again so this is how I've been able to make sense of it. In any case in that basketball player scenario which is clearly not the path that most Asian parents expect for their kids, you can bet that no matter how successful you are you will get marginal if any positive reinforcement from it. Now if you are excelling at school and basketball at the same time however your parents are proactively showing more praise to your school achievements, (the environment is typically very high pressure such that you want to please them by doing well in school) naturally you will lean towards getting a "real job." This is a huge sticking point to me looking back now at how I grew up.
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asian.


and... ill just leave this here.


Mean Household Income by Ethnicity in America




























Ethnic Category Mean Household Income
Asian alone $90,752
White alone $79,340
Hispanic or Latino $54,644
Black $49,629




Not to hijack the thread but black people need to start doing better than that mean.gif
post #57 of 1862
@tokes99

I think racism definitely played a part on Jeremy Lin's basketball career. Since he wasn't a 7 ft. center but a 6'3'' asian guard, he wasn't offered the same type of scholarships that most players with those kind of accolades and accomplishments would have received.
post #58 of 1862

Topic is promoting good discussion. Let's keep it up.

 

I'd like to tackle a few of the concerns here. This is what I've experienced:

 

Politics

 

Most Asian folks I know are apolitical. I think they don't see it as a viable career option and really think it's all a BS game (which it is). The way I see it, Asians hate fluff language and always prefer to cut to the chase. This don't-waste-time/get-the-deal-done mentality bleeds into other areas like running their own businesses, etc.

 

Entertainment

 

Quite a few YouTube stars are of Asian descent. James Wan, Cary Fukunaga, and Justin Lin are up-and-coming directors who are helming big projects. You have to understand that Hollywood is a money machine and studios primarily finance films that can generate profit. Their mentality is: why should we take a chance on this unproven actor/director when we can get a safer, easier choice? I think the tide is slowly turning with ABC giving Fresh Off the Boat a chance.

 

Culture / Upbringing

 

In my experience, Asian parents never shower their kids with constant praise. I think it's tried and true that they reward good behavior (e.g. getting top grades, killing it in everything) and punish bad behavior (e.g. not afraid to beat you -- no such things as timeouts). Generally, that motto should hold true for most parents.

 

I was raised in a pretty strict environment. My family came from nothing and as immigrants, the only goal was to prosper. What does that mean? Money. You can understand why this survival instinct is so important to them. I know exactly what it means to have nothing, sleeping on the floors in a rundown, cramped one-bedroom apartment. The sacrifice was real and I'm sure my fellow NT fam can relate.

 

It's really simple: Asian parents, and parents in general, don't want you to go through what they went through. So when Asian kids get angry at their parents and feel immense pressure, I can relate. I was in that exact same position. But when I look back at it now, I've been incredibly blessed. My grandma, who was a true hustler, told me this before she passed away (RIP): "We came from nothing. So if we have something at the end of each day, we made it."

 

I'm sure you're beginning to form the greater picture here. It took me a while to realize that my parents pushed me to the limit early on so that I'd be crushing it before everyone else. I'd be ready for whatever life threw at me. No good parent wants their child to suffer and be miserable. Of course, a lot of Asian kids probably develop low self-esteem and self-doubt, but I think this is an area where Asian parents can do better.

 

How to Improve (Asian) Children Upbringing

 

This is just my opinion, but Asian parents should be tough but fair. I know a few folks who completely resent their parents. By that, I mean they've been so scarred that they haven't talked to/seen their parents in 5+ years. One homie I know went through this and recently found out his mom died. You can imagine how devastated he was, especially when she left behind everything for him in her will and wrote a long letter telling him how she knows she pushed him to the extreme, but did it all out of love for him. Asian parents rarely know how to communicate emotionally with their children, resulting in robotic personalities and less happy upbringings.

 

So how can Asian parents raise even better children?

 

- Be tough, but fair.

- Do not stifle your kids' creativity, but also remind them to always have a plan. Execute that plan and think of anything and everything that could go wrong.

- Reward good behavior and teach them responsibility (they control what happens to them).

- Teach your kids to be humble, but confident in their abilities.

- Get out more, try new hobbies, but most importantly, stay out of trouble / bad influences.

 

I was raised by a Tiger mom who has softened up in the past few years. I showed her a pic of a chick I'm seeing and moms told me "she looks like a damn thot, get in and then drop her." My mom has a lot DGAF behaviors.

 

:lol

 

And although there were negatives to this Tiger mom way, I don't know of any other ways I could've possibly been raised. It took me a while to realize the overarching lesson in the difficulties: Comfort does not build character.


Edited by Slighted - 7/6/15 at 9:22pm
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post #60 of 1862
I'll skip on Politics and Entertainment because they don't really pique my interest.


Upbringing: my mom worked a lot. I was always home by myself. I used to walk home from middle school, do homework, eat microwave dinner, do dishes, go play ball or watch TV, and sleep. I took school bus to school in high school...still remember cats trying to hot box the bus almost on a daily basis laugh.gif Followed the same routine. I didn't get involved in any sport because I wouldn't have a ride home. Money was really tight. Mom bought $50 Nikes once a semester. I didn't get my first pair of nice shoes until the 7th grade, the first Jumpmans Eddie Jones wore. A meal at Denny's was special. I started working part time in high school just so I can buy kicks and gear. I took the public bus to work after I'd get home from school and wouldn't get home until 11PM. I had to quit because I was falling asleep in class and homework wasn't getting done. My mom told me that some of her friends would check their sons' backpacks for drugs and what not. It's crazy because I hung out with the local kids who did them, but it never played a factor for me.

My mom demanded I did my best. That meant I got whooped a lot laugh.gif Once she knew how determined I was, she laid off the gas pedal. I think she was scared since she worked so much and I was pretty much left alone from age 10 until college, and she's heard so many bad stories of her friends' sons falling into bad habits.

My mom listened to classical music when she was pregnant with me to stimulate mind growth. She got me into piano, swimming, and other activities. Those things came to a screeching halt when we moved to this country. I would do the same with my kids. I want to be able to send them to the best school money can buy, though I know they will be at a disadvantage to kids like me, mostly. I was so hungry for success, I was willing to take jobs and work odd shifts that more privileged kids may not want.

The one thing I would do differently with my kids would be to support their dreams instead of pushing them towards the STEM (Science, Tech, Engineering, Math) majors, which is pretty much where the good careers are. I'll digress from going further, but I feel some type of way about the U.S. education system right now.
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