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Entertainment

Quite a few YouTube stars are of Asian descent. James Wan, Cary Fukunaga, and Justin Lin are up-and-coming directors who are helming big projects. You have to understand that Hollywood is a money machine and studios primarily finance films that can generate profit. Their mentality is: why should we take a chance on this unproven actor/director when we can get a safer, easier choice? I think the tide is slowly turning with ABC giving Fresh Off the Boat a chance.

Many people argue FOTB, hell even the creator, that FOTB is mostly catered to white people with only 5 mins of realness in every episode. I won't have any faith in Hollywood until they actually give Asians a show with no "white" filter. I can see why they do that though, for "profitability" reasons.
But at least Asian Americans can somewhat play other characters now instead of being the FOB or unattractive beta.
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post #62 of 1851
This was a timing thing...8 Mile came out during my 12th grade year. The movie had the rock band kids starting to rap laugh.gif

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post #63 of 1851
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Personally, I think the stereotypes are more powerful in the way we, as Asians, understand them. As they say, often our perception of ourselves is a reflection of what other people perceive and expect of us. In this case, most likely growing up you accepted these stereotypes as true. From that point on, you are subconsciously qualifying yourself against these character traits. For me, this is where the asian-asian or white washed asians or blackwashed asian monikers spawn from. Not from other cultures but from the myriad of Asian cultures trying to constantly hammer in which values we need to portray overtly. This is important because on a day to day basis you either are seeking to live up to the stereotype or you are overtly trying to disassociate from it. I think this is the reason a lot of people struggle/fight with identity until they are older and come to embrace their cultures. First you have to figure out where you stand on the issue of stereotypes.

yo well said, that is a powerful way to look at it...because it really puts the responsibility on the individual to come to terms with how & what to identify with; the idea that it would be more self-inflicted culturally is one that makes a whole lot of sense but is there not really a western conception of 'asian' that is problematic beyond the sort insular self imposed cultural ones? you'd expect most parents to try to define a space they want their kids to inhabit culturally, but like if an 'asian' person decides to rebel? and chose some other identity, is there something from the external western perspective culture that puts some definition or value on this asian person who is not i guess obviously 'asian' culturally? is there any pressure from outside the culture to be a certain 'kind' of asian? like is there a penalty for being too assertive, or the like?

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Yep. I don't know how many times I've heard "He's Asian but not Asian Asian" from girls describing me

when i was a kid other black kids would call me names like african bootyscratcher quite consistently even though really the only thing that really identified as being african was a funny name and maybe that i was dark skinned, it wasn't until other 'more african' african kids transferred to my school that i got that "not african african" thing, it was a funny experience because literally nothing changed about me; it was just contextual and it also wasn't fixed idea...given that the most notable stereotypes are generally either benign or positive for asians, would the "not asian asian" be taken as an insult or compliment?

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From what I guess, the "First generation Asian in America experience" varies greatly between regions.

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I think racism definitely played a part on Jeremy Lin's basketball career. Since he wasn't a 7 ft. center but a 6'3'' asian guard, he wasn't offered the same type of scholarships that most players with those kind of accolades and accomplishments would have received.

perhaps...there probably was a good amount of bias there, but as i understand it in high school he wasn't really beasting it with some freakish ability; he was a very good high school player and many of those type cats don't always project out to being good college players, especially with scouts...but yea maybe him being asian didn't help
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Topic is promoting good discussion. Let's keep it up.

Culture / Upbringing

In my experience, Asian parents never shower their kids with constant praise. I think it's tried and true that they reward good behavior (e.g. getting top grades, killing it in everything) and punish bad behavior (e.g. not afraid to beat you -- no such things as timeouts). Generally, that motto should hold true for most parents.

I was raised in a pretty strict environment. My family came from nothing and as immigrants, the only goal was to prosper. What does that mean? Money. You can understand why this survival instinct is so important to them. I know exactly what it means to have nothing, sleeping on the floors in a rundown, cramped one-bedroom apartment. The sacrifice was real and I'm sure my fellow NT fam can relate.

It's really simple: Asian parents, and parents in general, don't want you to go through what they went through. So when Asian kids get angry at their parents and feel immense pressure, I can relate. I was in that exact same position. But when I look back at it now, I've been incredibly blessed. My grandma, who was a true hustler, told me this before she passed away (RIP): "We came from nothing. So if we have something at the end of each day, we made it."

I'm sure you're beginning to form the greater picture here. It took me a while to realize that my parents pushed me to the limit early on so that I'd be crushing it before everyone else. I'd be ready for whatever life threw at me. No good parent wants their child to suffer and be miserable. Of course, a lot of Asian kids probably develop low self-esteem and self-doubt, but I think this is an area where Asian parents can do better.

How to Improve (Asian) Children Upbringing

This is just my opinion, but Asian parents should be tough but fair. I know a few folks who completely resent their parents. By that, I mean they've been so scarred that they haven't talked to/seen their parents in 5+ years. One homie I know went through this and recently found out his mom died. You can imagine how devastated he was, especially when she left behind everything for him in her will and wrote a long letter telling him how she knows she pushed him to the extreme, but did it all out of love for him. Asian parents rarely know how to communicate emotionally with their children, resulting in robotic personalities and less happy upbringings.

So how can Asian parents raise even better children?

- Be tough, but fair.
- Do not stifle your kids' creativity, but also remind them to always have a plan. Execute that plan and think of anything and everything that could go wrong.
- Reward good behavior and teach them responsibility (they control what happens to them).
- Teach your kids to be humble, but confident in their abilities.
- Get out more, try new hobbies, but most importantly, stay out of trouble / bad influences.

I was raised by a Tiger mom who has softened up in the past few years. I showed her a pic of a chick I'm seeing and moms told me "she looks like a damn thot, get in and then drop her." My mom has a lot DGAF behaviors.

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And although there were negatives to this Tiger mom way, I don't know of any other ways I could've possibly been raised. It took me a while to realize the overarching lesson in the difficulties: Comfort does not build character.

i feel you but i don't really believe there is a 'right' way for most things...we all just kind of figure out what works from how you were raised & what works for you & your lil' yous; i really feel all any parent can do is give their children a loose framework of how to be in & analyze the world...the world our parents grew up in isn't the world we live in now, & the world will be different still for those who follow us. for a moment in time something could be appropriate & the next be completely, all the way, inappropriate; things are always shifting

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Entertainment

Quite a few YouTube stars are of Asian descent. James Wan, Cary Fukunaga, and Justin Lin are up-and-coming directors who are helming big projects. You have to understand that Hollywood is a money machine and studios primarily finance films that can generate profit. Their mentality is: why should we take a chance on this unproven actor/director when we can get a safer, easier choice? I think the tide is slowly turning with ABC giving Fresh Off the Boat a chance.

Many people argue FOTB, hell even the creator, that FOTB is mostly catered to white people with only 5 mins of realness in every episode. I won't have any faith in Hollywood until they actually give Asians a show with no "white" filter. I can see why they do that though, for "profitability" reasons.
But at least Asian Americans can somewhat play other characters now instead of being the FOB or unattractive beta.

eh, i dug fresh off the boat, but i think the main reason that show got some burn is because eddie himself is an interesting dude who wrote, by all accounts, a really dope book based on his life, has an some presence online, and the fact that tv is in a weird place right now (also i read that similar criticisms were also said about the show margaret cho had some 2 decades ago). the system is still doing what it does, but given that there is so much fragmentation in the way people consume media, i think studios may be more thirsty to find opportunities...
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post #64 of 1851
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Politics:

I think a lot of Asians don't even pursue a political career is because it requires a tremendous amount of confidence. Generally, public speaking has never been a forte for Asians so I see this could be a huge obstacle.

 

Entertainment:

This is an area where it is progressing, but I still believe we are so far away from Hollywood genuinely viewing Asian leading actors as viable profitable actors. Again, I believe this has a lot to do with whiteness being the global standard of beauty.

 

Culture / Upbringing:

Definitely agree with the praise part. Getting top grades is to be expected, accomplishments such as graduating from college is a must. I think a lot of parents have the mentality "If I praise them they may get complacent". This can really affect confidence and self esteem. This is definitely true with my parents. I legit cannot remember a time they praised me for any achievements or effort. They may be deeply proud inside, but they will not express it. It kind of relates to the whole Asians don't say "I love you" or hug/kiss their children. 

 

I believe positive reinforcement is so important in childhood and is something Asian households are lacking.

 

Going to chime in later with more thoughts and opinions.

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post #65 of 1851

wth do u mean asians arent confident???

 

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Japanese culture is kinda messed up.  Too much emphasis on a working life and apparently not enough men and women are hooking up so that there's a deficit of a younger generation

post #68 of 1851
Holy crapola I never even heard of this
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post #69 of 1851
I feel like Entertainment and online media played a huge part of finding my cultural identity.
I was in high school and jr high when Youtube first became huge. I'm talking like the very first NigaHiga video, TimothyDelaGhetto's Channel being banned, Lonelygirl15 ish.
I grew up in a white neighborhood, and I immediately knew I was different when some punk *** kid in kindergarden kept calling me Chinese.
I'm Filipino btw, but I was confused as a kid cause I didn't know what tf was going on. School kids can be so cruel.
But typical Asian kid, white neighborhood stuff, only Asian kid in class. Everyone expected me to be a genius and I crushed on white girls who wouldn't give me the time of day.
Seeing these dudes on Youtube was a shock to me. It was weird because my white friends were even showing me KevJumba videos.
At that point it was cool to see that there were people like me who had the same type of problems and ****.

Also this was about the same time as America's Best Dance Crew and Jabbawockeez and Kaba Modern were like the Asian messiahs.
(Yes, I was a Jabbawockeez for Halloween one year...)
This was also the time I discovered Tumblr and there grew my hatred toward Filipinos.
2009, the days of Asian Tumblr girls and super hypebeast Filipinos who wore foxtails and tight jean vests.
I felt betrayed by my own people, as this was around the same time I became interested in sneakers/streetwear.
The only other Filipino kid at my school was the epitome of the Hypebeast Tumblr dude, and he would dance around anywhere he could show off his finger tutting.....
Me on the other hand, I was a quite kid, but it was like 2009 so Gucci and WFF were at the top of my playlist, I played Violin in orchestra and played Tennis.
This other Filipina who also was in orchestra was obnoxious, loud, and took every opportunity she had to show off.
I remember this Chinese dude complaining about how all these Filipinos just want the attention.
And that's where my self-hatred for Filipinos was really solidified. The dude was right, all these tumblr ***, loud ***, attention loving, Filipinos trying to hog the spotlight.

Eventually I went to college where I got a lot more involved in Filipino culture and Asian culture in general and I learned to stop hating on my own people.
I met a lot of other Filipinos who were just like me, and I realized that Filipinos (and all other races) are very diverse. There is more to us than what we are spoon-fed.
This is why we need more exposure in media outlets. The only representation of Filipinos was everything I hated about them embodied into two people and a board filled with images of scrubs.
Youtube was an interesting outlet for Asian Americans, but again, the only Filipinos at the time were all corny.

In fact, I think all Asian youtubers are corny to an extent, but it's better than nothing. I follow the Fung Bros a lot, and even though they're corny, at least they're there. laugh.gif
Although I feel like the golden age of Asian Youtube is dying down. As youtube becomes more corporate like and sponsored by big names, they are allowed to push their own agendas.
There are less new Asian youtube stars and more white youtube stars who are dominating the front page (Grace Heilbeg, Tyler Oakley, etc.)
If you think about it, the only Asian youtubers who are still around have mostly been here since day 1 of youtube.
It's hard for another dude to come up because youtube only cares about pushing profitable white people.

Also random, do you guys ever realize how every Asian beauty youtube girl has a foreign white boyfriend? (Michelle Phan, Jen Im, etc.) laugh.gif

Also if there are any Asian youtube channels you guys follow lemme know cause I'm always down to support my people. smokin.gif
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Freestyle Fridays were pimp.gif and when Jin came on pimp.gifpimp.gifpimp.gif

When I heard he signed with Ruff Ryders pimp.gifpimp.gifpimp.gif

When I heard the first single frown.giffrown.giffrown.gif

And that was the end of Jin

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Japanese culture is kinda messed up.  Too much emphasis on a working life and apparently not enough men and women are hooking up so that there's a deficit of a younger generation

Doesn't South Korea have this problem too?
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And that was the end of Jin
That's the downfall of these free style MCs. They're nice on battles but most can't go commercial and blow. Word to King Los.
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Doesn't South Korea have this problem too?

It's possible considering they have pretty similar cultures.  All I know is Japan is the one with the demographic problem and that they're actively promoting marriage and relationships so they aren't stuck with a bunch of geezers and a broken economy in 20 years.  I would say it's pretty distant to asian american culture though.

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And that was the end of Jin
That's the downfall of these free style MCs. They're nice on battles but most can't go commercial and blow. Word to King Los.

I loved that "don't me mad an Asian dude dressed better than you" laugh.gif
post #75 of 1851
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Japanese culture is pretty unique. China also faces a similar problem but in a different context. Parents only want sons, and will choose the abortion route if they find out it's a daughter. Also, with the 1 kid per household rule the male to female ratio is completely screwed. 

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post #76 of 1851
I can't eat with a chopsticks. shrugs
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I can't eat with a chopsticks. shrugs

For shame.
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I can't eat with a chopsticks. shrugs
Again. It depends on the texture of rice. Went to get hotpot with my girl last night. They used some small grain rice. Had to use the soup spoon when there were a few grains left laugh.gif

Brown rice is no problems.
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Doesn't South Korea have this problem too?
It's possible considering they have pretty similar cultures.  All I know is Japan is the one with the demographic problem and that they're actively promoting marriage and relationships so they aren't stuck with a bunch of geezers and a broken economy in 20 years.  I would say it's pretty distant to asian american culture though.

South Korea has one of the lowest birth rates in the world. In fact, I once saw a story online that said if the situation wasn't reversed, the trend will cause South Koreans to be extinct by 2750.

Asia in general has alarmingly low birth rates. Here's an interesting post about it.

http://www.eastwestcenter.org/news-center/east-west-wire/declining-birth-rates-raising-concerns-in-asia
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I can't eat with a chopsticks. shrugs
Again. It depends on the texture of rice. Went to get hotpot with my girl last night. They used some small grain rice. Had to use the soup spoon when there were a few grains left laugh.gif

Brown rice is no problems.
Noodles, rice, and pho I can't do it. ohwell.gif
post #81 of 1851
I watch six abs shortcuts... son is yoked for an asian american..

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I watch six abs shortcuts... son is yoked for an asian american..

Everytime I come across his videos I think of Bolo. laugh.gif
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South Korea has one of the lowest birth rates in the world. In fact, I once saw a story online that said if the situation wasn't reversed, the trend will cause South Koreans to be extinct by 2750.

Asia in general has alarmingly low birth rates. Here's an interesting post about it.

http://www.eastwestcenter.org/news-center/east-west-wire/declining-birth-rates-raising-concerns-in-asia

Interesting, but 700+ years is a seriously long time.  Racial assimilation would probably be a bigger factor for extinction of south koreans than fluctuation between birth and death rates for that time period.

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Noodles, rice, and pho I can't do it. ohwell.gif

Tried following the directions on the packaging?  That's how I learned, unless you hold your pens and pencils funny

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yo well said, that is a powerful way to look at it...because it really puts the responsibility on the individual to come to terms with how & what to identify with; the idea that it would be more self-inflicted culturally is one that makes a whole lot of sense but is there not really a western conception of 'asian' that is problematic beyond the sort insular self imposed cultural ones? you'd expect most parents to try to define a space they want their kids to inhabit culturally, but like if an 'asian' person decides to rebel? and chose some other identity, is there something from the external western perspective culture that puts some definition or value on this asian person who is not i guess obviously 'asian' culturally? is there any pressure from outside the culture to be a certain 'kind' of asian? like is there a penalty for being too assertive, or the like?

Can only speak for myself so this is not a generalization, just my experience. Let's take something simple such as veggie/vegan/gluten free diets which I have personally experimented with all the above and talked about with explicitly with other family/asian friends. For one, food is a huge part of the culture so naturally you telling someone else that is going to bring up a ****storm of questions and they will be judging you hardcore. If you imagine going to a family dinner (where there are large dishes of food and everyone sits around with a bowl of rice and picks from the same platter) and you have to be the one telling everyone that you need something special made up for you because of xyz reason, you can start to see how much social pressure there is to conform to this "ideal" asian prototype. Now multiply this times 3x day and 52 weeks/yr, and so on.

To me, that's essentially how they try to beat any kind of "rebellion" out of you. They will test you every chance they get until you give up or they feel you are literally hellbent on continuing to do so. The other point is this nebulous idea of balance or yin/yang, so just by merely mentioning this topic, an elder will sense that you are seeking to undermine Asian tradition, culture, health and a host of other social phenomena.

As far as western perspective goes, diet is a particularly interesting space to inhabit because even in dominant culture it's unclear whether an omnivorous or veggie lifestyle is really advantageous health-wise. So now let's say you are at home and you are getting #### for living life a certain way. Everyone is complaining that you are making their life difficult b/c they have to make xyz just for you or they have to buy xyz because of this preference. That would probably not be too bad, however as a vegan/vegetarian then you go out into the world and you are getting the same exact questions from coworkers, bosses, ect. Bottom line is if it doesn't follow the Asian model, it probably doesn't exist in the Western model, which is just to say if you are going to take on something "countercultural" you basically have to create a value mechanism that is wholly driven by your own accomplishments because outside of that you probably won't be getting any type of positive reinforcement. e.g. Your parents will think you are weird and difficult for being Vegan and then your Coworkers may not question you but they'll be like "Oh, that's interesting." If in your head you are consciously thinking "I like this lifestyle because I feel better, look better, and can think better," then you have a good chance of overcoming these social pressures. I''m willing to say it's probably less harmful when you get questioned outside of the Asian culture but then again I've met more Asians that quit a veggie lifestyle than I've met that are currently veggie. I'm probably getting outside the scope of your question now, but it really just means in any model whether it be a career choice or lifestyle choice not taught to you as a kid in the "Asian Model," you have to be VERY resistant to social programming especially Asian social programming otherwise you run the risk of succumbing to the pressure.
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I watch six abs shortcuts... son is yoked for an asian american..
Everyone in the fitness world hates him. I don't know him personally but he's good at marketing so I can't knock his hustle. My Filipino friend from HS used to be 150 lbs wet and he has the same physique. Dude eats so much and so clean.

Nothing fits him except for tanks and t shirts though laugh.gif
post #86 of 1851
Lol someone mention Jin? laugh.gif

That brought me back haha

He was the man back in the day.
post #87 of 1851
^speaking of jin i saw i interview with him fairly recently, i guess he moved to hong kong and lightweight became a movie star over there? i think now he is trying to do christian rap???
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Japanese culture is kinda messed up.  Too much emphasis on a working life and apparently not enough men and women are hooking up so that there's a deficit of a younger generation

Doesn't South Korea have this problem too?

the majority of the industrialized world has this problem...not to the same extent as in japan, but as a general trend whenever/wherever woman are given some measure of freedom, to be educated, pursue their own interests, and not have men control their lives women tend to both delay having children & have less of them...really the only place in the world this not the case is the continent of africa; specifically sub saharan africa

i really can't add much to the conversation but this thread has been rather enlightening thus far, i see a lot of parallels i wouldn't have necessarily expected...
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post #88 of 1851
Jin moved back to the states after a stint in HK. He said he was more successful over there but moved back because of his kid. I'll post more about it later. Hard to do from the cell.
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Noodles, rice, and pho I can't do it. ohwell.gif
Right now. Lol.
post #90 of 1851
I just ate some pho earlier too lol
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