Asian Culture Discussion Thread

Podcast that focuses on Asians and sports.

They had an episode on Yao's induction a couple months ago and that was the last I heard of them.
 
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Nawzlew said:
Podcast that focuses on Asians and sports.

They had an episode on Yao's induction a couple months ago and that was the last I heard of them.
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I was thinking of making a podcast on sports and having a slight Asian angle on it [emoji]129300[/emoji]
It will be #ntcertified
 
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What's you guys take on spirituality? How about your parents?
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Parents were Catholic. So I grew up in a catholic home, but only attended mass during the holidays.

I then converted to Christianity in HS and my parents eventually did the same a couple of years after.
 
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What's you guys take on spirituality? How about your parents?
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Dad is Christian. Mom is Buddhist.
I dabbed into Buddhism when I was young and then became a Christian until I was out of high school. Now I'm agnostic, don't believe in any religion.
 
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@Lil Cao, you don't go to the all you can eat hot pots? Those are all over the East Bay. Pretty good deal for $25; I just usually starve myself all day before heading to them at night. Actually hit up Little Dipper in Fremont last night. Their house special sauce :pimp: :pimp: :pimp:
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Oh yup, I've been to Little Dipper, and this one Korean bbq/hot pot place in Oakland called Gogi Time. Don't get me wrong I def take advantage of the AYCE joints, it's just the times when you're with one other person and get the normal order its still pricey-- but still bomb
 
I recently heard about something called "Asian privilege" where Asians benefit more than black/white/every other folks: make more $, get admitted to best schools, lack of crimes, etc.

Has anyone heard about this and can aware us?
 
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I recently heard about something called "Asian privilege" where Asians benefit more than black/white/every other folks: make more $, get admitted to best schools, lack of crimes, etc.

Has anyone heard about this and can aware us?
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It can't be equally applied.

If we take a look att Asian American immigration in this country, we find that there are different waves of immigrants with different imprints of legacy. Early immigration policy only allowed skilled and well-off Chinese to immigrate and work (thus creating the stereotype of the model-minority). However when we look at immigration post-1965, we get less restrictions on who could come into the country. This brought on bigger waves of Asian from the Southeast, especially refugees. They of course, did not bring with them particular skills or wealth like earlier immigrants so they fall into the same socio-economic brackets as other communities of color and usually lived with them in those communities.

Because of this, Asian Americans fall into a weird triangulation between whiteness and blackness. Think of how many Asians you seem to associate with "white" culture and how many Asians you see associated with "black" culture.


tldr; its much more complicated than just "Asian Privilege"
 
Slighted said:
I recently heard about something called "Asian privilege" where Asians benefit more than black/white/every other folks: make more $, get admitted to best schools, lack of crimes, etc.

Has anyone heard about this and can aware us?
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I'm not Asian, but I can share a general theory regarding labor market discrimination and how it affects different groups.

I don't like using "benefited" in the sense of discrimination but Asian American see very unique outcomes in the labor market. And sorry for talking about large groups like a monolith

So the the "Asian privilege" things people observe is actually statistical discrimination working in favor of some Asian American workers. The theory goes that since individual employer (or police, or admission officers, or who making a choice) can't fully observe or know what kind of person they are interacting with truly is; so because of that, they fall back on information that have about the groups that person belongs to, in other words, they use stereotypes.

Let's look at the dark side of it, because I think it drives home the point better:

This hurts black people a lot because even if a hiring manager is not racist, he doesn't know exactly want kind of person the black person he/she is interviewing truly is. So he/she falls back on information they know (or believe) about black people. They usually on average go to worst schools, or are mistreated at good ones, they might have gotten into college on a quota, they might not have acquired the same level of human capital as a white or Asian person with the same qualifications. Now these things may or may not be true, but the hiring manager believes it. So the assign the stereotypes of a group on that individual black person.

Now this can be powerful, because of so many socioeconomic factors and America's history, people of different races face different challenges. Because of this we see different outcomes for different races; so many of these stereotypes have some truth in it.

A simpler example: Take race and social factors out of it. Let us say you are a hiring manager and a loading dock and you need to hire workers to lift and carry things all day. Would you hire more men or more women? Well statistically men are stronger than women, so even if you're a woman yourself, you would be more inclined to hire men because you assume they will be more productive.

Back to race: Even if you're a black hiring manager, you might assume the white person will be more productive than the black because they probably went to a better school, got more resources available to them to build their human capital. You don't know if it true in this case, but you just rely on stereotypes and incomplete information drawn from social outcomes.

One way around this is having good "test" or signals of what kinda of person applying for a job actually is. That is why you get the more involved interview processes, why a college degree is so important, for jobs that really shouldn't require it( the degree sends a strong signal about competency), and why drug testing is pushed in some cases.

Another example: drug testing. Society believes black men use drugs at higher rates, which is not true, whites up and down the socioeconomic ladder use it at the same rate or slightly, slightly higher. So when you see drug testing put in place in these higher paid industries, white folk (and women in general) started to get popped more than people thought. Basically, firms got the rude awakening that everybody used drugs about the same rate. As a result white wages got driven down slightly, black people got slightly more opportunities, and the the wage gap shrunk a lil in some industries because of the testing. In short, drug testing which is assumed would hurt black people, actually helped them.

Now thing about Asians, in America, the Asian community is generally viewed very well, especially when it comes to the labor market. A hiring manager that may assume bad things about a black person because of lack knowledge and falling back on stereotypes, may assume the best about an Asian person because of stereotypes about Asians. They have good analytical minds, they worked hard in school, they will be follow orders, they are willing to put their job first in their lives. In doesn't matter if they stereotype lines up with reality or not, people just have to believe they do. And well know this is not true of all Asian groups because we see different economic outcomes among demographics of Asians.

And I know that is not universal because a dark skinned Asian person is still gonna be looked at different by the police that a light skinned one. The sad truth is that Asian American's like all other races get a break a lot because of how closely people associate them with desirable aspects of the white community.

So it is not privilege, it is incomplete information that usually cost other minority groups, helping some Asian workers. And I do mean some.
 
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Slighted said:
I recently heard about something called "Asian privilege" where Asians benefit more than black/white/every other folks: make more $, get admitted to best schools, lack of crimes, etc.

Has anyone heard about this and can aware us?
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"asian" is a rather broad label, but i think this is in part maybe attributed to the wealth gap numbers that put 'asians' ahead of all other ethnic groups, and maybe this "asian privilege" is an attempt to explain it?

as the above responses detail, privilege probably isn't the best way to describe what is going on; and there are many factors at play, some mentioned in both heatpinoyboy's & rustyshackleford's posts...i'd also there is a good amount of study that says that quite a few immigrant groups tend to do better than their american counterparts; some of the reasons for this are cultural, but there is also the way immigrant groups tend to create communities/networks separate from & are able to give to opportunities to those within those immigrant communities. it is also worth mentioning that asians make up somewhere around 4.5-6% of population in the u.s., much of which is probably concentrated in the larger metropolitan areas, combine this with the fact that there isn't much representation of asians generally in media, politics, etc., beyond relatively benign stereotypes, so there is still maybe not much interaction with asians day to day for much of america outside of those large metro areas?
 
RustyShackleford said:
I'm not Asian, but I can share a general theory regarding labor market discrimination and how it affects different groups.

I don't like using "benefited" in the sense of discrimination but Asian American see very unique outcomes in the labor market. And sorry for talking about large groups like a monolith

So the the "Asian privilege" things people observe is actually statistical discrimination working in favor of some Asian American workers. The theory goes that since individual employer (or police, or admission officers, or who making a choice) can't fully observe or know what kind of person they are interacting with truly is; so because of that, they fall back on information that have about the groups that person belongs to, in other words, they use stereotypes.

Let's look at the dark side of it, because I think it drives home the point better:

This hurts black people a lot because even if a hiring manager is not racist, he doesn't know exactly want kind of person the black person he/she is interviewing truly is. So he/she falls back on information they know (or believe) about black people. They usually on average go to worst schools, or are mistreated at good ones, they might have gotten into college on a quota, they might not have acquired the same level of human capital as a white or Asian person with the same qualifications. Now these things may or may not be true, but the hiring manager believes it. So the assign the stereotypes of a group on that individual black person.

Now this can be powerful, because of so many socioeconomic factors and America's history, people of different races face different challenges. Because of this we see different outcomes for different races; so many of these stereotypes have some truth in it.

A simpler example: Take race and social factors out of it. Let us say you are a hiring manager and a loading dock and you need to hire workers to lift and carry things all day. Would you hire more men or more women? Well statistically men are stronger than women, so even if you're a woman yourself, you would be more inclined to hire men because you assume they will be more productive.

Back to race: Even if you're a black hiring manager, you might assume the white person will be more productive than the black because they probably went to a better school, got more resources available to them to build their human capital. You don't know if it true in this case, but you just rely on stereotypes and incomplete information drawn from social outcomes.

One way around this is having good "test" or signals of what kinda of person applying for a job actually is. That is why you get the more involved interview processes, why a college degree is so important, for jobs that really shouldn't require it( the degree sends a strong signal about competency), and why drug testing is pushed in some cases.

Another example: drug testing. Society believes black men use drugs at higher rates, which is not true, whites up and down the socioeconomic ladder use it at the same rate or slightly, slightly higher. So when you see drug testing put in place in these higher paid industries, white folk (and women in general) started to get popped more than people thought. Basically, firms got the rude awakening that everybody used drugs about the same rate. As a result white wages got driven down slightly, black people got slightly more opportunities, and the the wage gap shrunk a lil in some industries because of the testing. In short, drug testing which is assumed would hurt black people, actually helped them.

Now thing about Asians, in America, the Asian community is generally viewed very well, especially when it comes to the labor market. A hiring manager that may assume bad things about a black person because of lack knowledge and falling back on stereotypes, may assume the best about an Asian person because of stereotypes about Asians. They have good analytical minds, they worked hard in school, they will be follow orders, they are willing to put their job first in their lives. In doesn't matter if they stereotype lines up with reality or not, people just have to believe they do. And well know this is not true of all Asian groups because we see different economic outcomes among demographics of Asians.

And I know that is not universal because a dark skinned Asian person is still gonna be looked at different by the police that a light skinned one. The sad truth is that Asian American's like all other races get a break a lot because of how closely people associate them with desirable aspects of the white community.

So it is not privilege, it is incomplete information that usually cost other minority groups, helping some Asian workers. And I do mean some.
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Wow....Asian privilege in the states sounds way different than asian privilege in Vancouver.

Here they just have way more money than the rest of us and support the heck out of their businesses. 

Runs deep bro....

So deep infact, I brought my gf coffee in bed this morning.

May take 1000 paragraphs to equate to the usas situation but it can be summed up quick here. 

They run things.
 
I look, Hispanic. I dunno how much Asian privilege I get.
 
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I wasn't trying to argue it is a universal thing, hat is why I ended it with some. There is a ton of diversity within you guys community and I I would never why to argue it is a universal thing.

I was just giving a theory why some Asian might be treated different in society, especially the job market, than other groups. I'm in no way tryna say everything wavy for everyone
 
There's truth in what @Rusty Shackelford said and it's the basis of the model-minority myth. Playing off stereotypes allows for the model-minority myth to exist. Asians were used as an example towards the black community to say "hey, if the Asians can achieve success as a visible minority, black people can too".

With that said, I'm from the Lower Mainland and like titanium tea titanium tea said, it's different out here. There's a big Asian population here, and there's even certain parts and cities not named Chinatown that have street signs and store fronts in Punjabi, Korean, or Chinese because they're the majority.

Being Canadian, I gotta ask, are Asians really getting that much privilege out in the States? And if they are, is the background of said Asian considered because Laotians, Cambodians, Thais, Vietnamese, and Filipinos aren't grouped in the same class as the Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans, and Indians aren't grouped in either, so which Asians are getting privileges?
 
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ajcyt said:
There's truth in what @Rusty Shackelford said and it's the basis of the model-minority myth. Playing off stereotypes allows for the model-minority myth to exist. Asians were used as an example towards the black community to say "hey, if the Asians can achieve success as a visible minority, black people can too".

With that said, I'm from the Lower Mainland and like @Titanium Tea said, it's different out here. There's a big Asian population here, and there's even certain parts and cities not named Chinatown that have street signs and store fronts in Punjabi, Korean, or Chinese because they're the majority.

Being Canadian, I gotta ask, are Asians really getting that much privilege out in the States? And if they are, is the background of said Asian considered because Laotians, Cambodians, Thais, and Filipinos aren't grouped in the same class as the Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans, and Indians aren't grouped in either, so which Asians are getting privileges?
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I think we are so mixed here we pretty much have privilege within our own groups cancelling things out.

Just like some dude in Langley might be quick to hire me for being the only white guy that applied for his opening ( thats happened a few times lol).....My chances of getting a job at crystal mall in burnaby are slim to none.

I dont think you can get hired at holt renfrew or whatever these days without speaking mandrin or cantonese. It would lose the company too much money. 

When I was there with my gf last month, the sales staff were communicaing with each other with no english.

My gf even said " wow, im so banana they wouldn't even hire me here".

My good buddy T was born here and speaks 100% canadian English.  He also is fluent in cantonese but apparently his accent is a bit off. 

He was a real estate agent but had to quit and become a pilot.

When I asked him about the real estate he said " I cant get any business,  white people dont use me because im chinese and the chinese dont trust me because my English is too good. 

Those deemed " banana" seem to miss out on privilege from both sides.
 
@Titanium Tea  I get what you're saying and you're right. Really puts it into perspective using the Crystal Mall example lol. It's the identity crisis of the diaspora I guess. 
 
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Wow....Asian privilege in the states sounds way different than asian privilege in Vancouver.
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I remember seeing a documentary that included a segment about this reality webseries that was basically an asian kardashians, about youngish rich/wealthy asian women in vancouver...it mentioned something about vancouver having one of the largest Asian populations outside of asia, that definitely would create a different dynamic, especially if/when accompanied by economic influence; any/every group that can consolidate a good measure of affluent members can & usually does exert this type of 'privilege' if that is what we're calling it

curious about the questioning of 'asian-ness' though, is this more of a cultural intergenerational thing, i.e. older asians raised outside of western countries vs younger asians raised in western countries or is it intragenerational where even those asians who are younger and in the same age group are of the opinion that there are some set of behaviors that makes one asian?
 
The "Asian privilege" theory only applies to Chinese, Japanese, and Korean folks in America. Groups like the Laotian, Cambodian, and Vietnamese, the refugee groups as a result of the Vietnam war and other civil wars, haven't had the same type of success. If you look at the crime rates and avg household income among the separate groups, they differ, the three latter groups that I mentioned are subject to higher rates of poverty and crime.

I hate how America has categorized the different Asian groups as all the same. The refugee groups still are struggling.
 
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"Asians" and "Asia" are just words invented by the West.

When people think of Asia, they typically think of Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese (East Asia).

The reason why is because:

1. Common skin color. Its sad, but the darker you are in America, the more you're looked down upon. This includes Vietnamese, Cambodians, etc.

2. Korea, China, and Japan share a distinct overarching high culture, history, and language. Language being one the most important factors. But this can also be applied to Vietnam but like I said in #1, ignorant people see skin color first to judge.
 
I get mistaken for being Filipino a lot.

I should learn Tagalog so I can increase my hit rate with slanging this lumpia to the bebots.
 
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