"As a nation, we have got to apologize for slavery" Bernie Sanders

Reparation money would be like lottery money then and get spent recklessly = no actual long term change to the black community you idiot.

Requiring some level of commitment from people is for their own benefit. They already "earned" the money but there is a large percentage of black people that aren't ready to fiscally handle a big windfall of money or property.

Why is it idiotic to want to prepare people? You wouldn't hand someone the keys to a car without first requiring then to learn the rules of the road and get some practice. Similarly, why would you hand someone a bunch of money without requiring that they learn how to use it to benefit themselves in the long term?

I don't really care if people go to college or not - that's their choice. What I do care about as a taxpayer is the general economic well being and level footing for people from every race/ethnicity/community. Not trying to support stupidity or extravagance.
I get what you're saying but in the same token, i don't necessarily think its anyones place to tell them what to do with the money because although it is "tax payer funded" America was built on the backs of slaves so they have got a claim to that money already.

I'm black, although Im not african american technically african american and I would more than likely not get a sent of reparations I would love for my brothers to prosper. 
 
Why? Slavery impacted them how? The slaves, their spouses, kids, grandkids are long dead. Surely Jews deserve reparation for their race being nearly exterminated? Right?
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I would not give a single damn if people got reparations. I'd be happy for people. Also whoever said you should get your money after graduating college is an idiot. What in the blue hell does college have to do with reparations?

Reparation money would be like lottery money then and get spent recklessly = no actual long term change to the black community you idiot.

Requiring some level of commitment from people is for their own benefit. They already "earned" the money but there is a large percentage of black people that aren't ready to fiscally handle a big windfall of money or property.

Why is it idiotic to want to prepare people? You wouldn't hand someone the keys to a car without first requiring then to learn the rules of the road and get some practice. Similarly, why would you hand someone a bunch of money without requiring that they learn how to use it to benefit themselves in the long term?

I don't really care if people go to college or not - that's their choice. What I do care about as a taxpayer is the general economic well being and level footing for people from every race/ethnicity/community. Not trying to support stupidity or extravagance.

Nah **** all that. There were no stipulations for the other groups to receive theirs. If you blow it, so be it. But it is definitely needed. Doubtful it ever happens.
 
Nah. You can't just say you get this money but since black people don't know how to spend money you have to go to college to access it. That's what you're saying. :lol: that would never fly.

You are right - in this PC world we live in that would never fly in reality. But everyone knows it should. It's not racist though. I similarly wouldn't want to give that sort of money to someone that has been wrongly imprisoned and gets some settlement out of it. It really is unfair to expect people to know what to do with money when they have no financial knowledge or education in it.
 
You are right - in this PC world we live in that would never fly in reality. But everyone knows it should. It's not racist though. I similarly wouldn't want to give that sort of money to someone that has been wrongly imprisoned and gets some settlement out of it. It really is unfair to expect people to know what to do with money when they have no financial knowledge or education in it.
to me has nothing to do with political correctness. what they are entitled to is theirs and no one else holds any claim on it.
 
to me has nothing to do with political correctness. what they are entitled to is theirs and no one else holds any claim on it.

So you really think that there should be no requirements for people to get it? I'm honestly not trying to be difficult about it. Would you say a black person that has a 20+ prison sentence for xyz is entitled to the reparations?

I just think that since it is taxpayer money it should go toward something that betters the country. Reparations are not really something anyone is entitled to. Respect, an even playing field, lack of unfair racial profiling etc is all stuff people are entitled to. Reparations are a choice that is made by a country/group of people that recognize a historical wrongdoing.

I guess living outside the US for such a long time has changed my perception about this sort of stuff. A younger me definitely would of said the same thing as you - just give people the money and let them do what they want to do. America = freedom for making both good and bad choices. Now that I come back and I see the poor (or what I consider poor) choices that the large majority of the American public makes in regards to education, heatlh care etc I'm a little bit less down with the let people do what they want mentality.
 
So you really think that there should be no requirements for people to get it? I'm honestly not trying to be difficult about it. Would you say a black person that has a 20+ prison sentence for xyz is entitled to the reparations?

I just think that since it is taxpayer money it should go toward something that betters the country. Reparations are not really something anyone is entitled to. Respect, an even playing field, lack of unfair racial profiling etc is all stuff people are entitled to. Reparations are a choice that is made by a country/group of people that recognize a historical wrongdoing.

I guess living outside the US for such a long time has changed my perception about this sort of stuff. A younger me definitely would of said the same thing as you - just give people the money and let them do what they want to do. America = freedom for making both good and bad choices. Now that I come back and I see the poor (or what I consider poor) choices that the large majority of the American public makes in regards to education, heatlh care etc I'm a little bit less down with the let people do what they want mentality.
i think that a lot of the problems in the african american community stem from not being on equal ground with the white majority. these "requirements" like not having an education or having a criminal records are issues that are present in a large majority of black communities BECAUSE of being deprived of reparations and a chance to gain any kind of equal footing from way back in the 1860s. I whole heartedly believe that if money, land, and the same quality education was offered to blacks when they became free education and whether or not they have been to prison wouldnt be questions we would be asking.

i guess what im trying to say is being deprived of what they are owed (not just monetarily) for so long is a huge contributing factor as to why blacks are poor, uneducated, and more likely to end up in prison today. so to say that they have to be educated and not a criminal or any kind of stipulation for that matter is contradictory. or even circular reasoning. they didnt get their money so they became poor. they were poor so the couldnt get educated. they were uneducated so tjhey resorted to crime. so youre telling me that we can give them the money now, but only if they are educated and not criminals? 
 
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You laugh but how am I wrong? No other group of people legitimately expects reparations for something terrible that happened to their great, great, great, great ancestors. The Japanese were interned during WW2. That was 70 years ago. Instead of dwelling they push forward and prosper. Jews killed in the millions. They continue to flourish. The Chinese forced to make Railroads across the West. Many died. Theyve moved on. Irish Catholics. Killed, discriminated against, viewed as animals. They moved on. 

The fact is that African Americans will never, ever get a lump sum of cash from the government in apology for something that nobody living was even remotely a part of in any fashion. If Obama didn't do it then nobody ever will. Just move on.
 
Lol as if these wealthy white folks weren't granted land centuries ago which laid the foundation for their wealth (along with free labor)




White folks apologizing for slavery is like having Chapo apologize for just selling coke.. his dirt far exceeds just coke.. 

Our nation as a whole won't ever be ready to hear what really has happened.  Hell its in the history books and folks still dont understand.  What has happened to the native americans and the africans who were brought over as slaves is nothing less than genocide.  

Naw don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's not deserved, I just think they're could be another way to pay dues.
 
You laugh but how am I wrong? No other group of people legitimately expects reparations for something terrible that happened to their great, great, great, great ancestors. The Japanese were interned during WW2. That was 70 years ago. Instead of dwelling they push forward and prosper. Jews killed in the millions. They continue to flourish. The Chinese forced to make Railroads across the West. Many died. Theyve moved on. Irish Catholics. Killed, discriminated against, viewed as animals. They moved on. 

The fact is that African Americans will never, ever get a lump sum of cash from the government in apology for something that nobody living was even remotely a part of in any fashion. If Obama didn't do it then nobody ever will. Just move on.

You literally listed a much of people which either got a) reparations b) Came willingly to work c) were allowed to participate white supremacy when it came time to turn on black folk during the Civil Rights movement

Former slaves didn't get to build wealth and the tickled down to generation after generation and the following generation had their own battles to fight

Plus there are still people alive that lived under Jim Crow and tons that are still effected by Reagan era White supremacy policies.

And of course the Obama red herring. Even if dude wanted too the ******* GOP and Blue Dogs would have blocked it. In addition Obama been wanting to pass criminal justice reform from the jump and he right still play the Reagan "predator in waiting" BS card to scare the hell outta folk.

Reparations aside, this country got TONSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS of ways it could help black folk. Ones who were ancestors to slaves, ones that suffered under Jim Crow, ones that have suffered under the BS war on drugs, and yet people like you always come with a deflection.

Maybe black people would flourish like everyone else if every new generation of racist didn't institute a new flavor on white supremacy on hold down the black community.
 
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You laugh but how am I wrong? No other group of people legitimately expects reparations for something terrible that happened to their great, great, great, great ancestors. The Japanese were interned during WW2. That was 70 years ago. Instead of dwelling they push forward and prosper. Jews killed in the millions. They continue to flourish. The Chinese forced to make Railroads across the West. Many died. Theyve moved on. Irish Catholics. Killed, discriminated against, viewed as animals. They moved on. 

The fact is that African Americans will never, ever get a lump sum of cash from the government in apology for something that nobody living was even remotely a part of in any fashion. If Obama didn't do it then nobody ever will. Just move on.

The fact that you literally had no idea about Jews and thereir reparations leaves all this BS u spewing null and void. No idea how your still able to talk the same tired **** in every thread you post in

I got a grandmother in her 60s who can vividly remember the civil rights movement ..but it's in the past and we need to move on [emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji]

400 years of Slavery followed by 100 years of discrimination and another 50 of systematic oppression and racism ..but we should all jus get over that
 
:stoneface: at trying to compare a 7-10 year period that Jews were persecuted to the 200+ years that blacks were enslaved PLUS the 70+ years of Jim Crow thats residual effects are still felt to this day....
 
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I feel type dumb but I was taught in school that black people came to America on slave ships. Never knew that black people were in America before the Euro "pioneers" came and settled....Wasnt til last month in the blow my mind thread I found out, black people along with the Indians were already in America before Europeans.  THey are the real illegal immigrants.....big **** you to St. Catherine's school in Queens.
 
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You laugh but how am I wrong? No other group of people legitimately expects reparations for something terrible that happened to their great, great, great, great ancestors. The Japanese were interned during WW2. That was 70 years ago. Instead of dwelling they push forward and prosper. Jews killed in the millions. They continue to flourish. The Chinese forced to make Railroads across the West. Many died. Theyve moved on. Irish Catholics. Killed, discriminated against, viewed as animals. They moved on. 

The fact is that African Americans will never, ever get a lump sum of cash from the government in apology for something that nobody living was even remotely a part of in any fashion. If Obama didn't do it then nobody ever will. Just move on.

You literally listed a much of people which either got a) reparations b) Came willingly to work c) were allowed to participate white supremacy when it came time to turn on black folk during the Civil Rights movement

Former slaves didn't get to build wealth and the tickled down to generation after generation and the following generation had their own battles to fight

Plus there are still people alive that lived under Jim Crow and tons that are still effected by Reagan era White supremacy policies.

And of course the Obama red herring. Even if dude wanted too the ******* GOP and Blue Dogs would have blocked it. In addition Obama been wanting to pass criminal justice reform from the jump and he right still play the Reagan "predator in waiting" BS card to scare the hell outta folk.

Reparations aside, this country got TONSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS of ways it could help black folk. Ones who were ancestors to slaves, ones that suffered under Jim Crow, ones that have suffered under the BS war on drugs, and yet people like you always come with a deflection.

Maybe black people would flourish like everyone else if every new generation of racist didn't institute a new flavor on white supremacy on hold the black community.


C'mon now Rusty, blacks did get to have wealth......until it was stolen, they were bombed and killed. And then the white man graciously integrated us but left out the part that he was only integrating our money to spend on his products.
 
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I feel type dumb but I was taught in school that black people came to America on slave ships. Never knew that black people were in America before the Euro "pioneers" came and settled....Wasnt til last month in the blow my mind thread I found out, black people along with the Indians were already in America before Europeans.  THey are the real illegal immigrants.....big **** you to St. Catherine's school in Queens.

That's why this whole our country **** is a farce [emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji]
 
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I feel type dumb but I was taught in school that black people came to America on slave ships. Never knew that black people were in America before the Euro "pioneers" came and settled....Wasnt til last month in the blow my mind thread I found out, black people along with the Indians were already in America before Europeans.  THey are the real illegal immigrants.....big **** you to St. Catherine's school in Queens.

That's why this whole our country **** is a farce [emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji]

Right :lol: That's like your friend "borrowing" your game, keeping it for a month, then arguing that it's theirs.

Africans been everywhere b. Africa is where civilization started. U can peep statues that have black features across the globe dating back to before cats in Europe thought of finding new lands
 
 
 
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I feel type dumb but I was taught in school that black people came to America on slave ships. Never knew that black people were in America before the Euro "pioneers" came and settled....Wasnt til last month in the blow my mind thread I found out, black people along with the Indians were already in America before Europeans.  THey are the real illegal immigrants.....big **** you to St. Catherine's school in Queens.
That's why this whole our country **** is a farce [emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji]
Right
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That's like your friend "borrowing" your game, keeping it for a month, then arguing that it's theirs.

Africans been everywhere b. Africa is where civilization started. U can peep statues that have black features across the globe dating back to before cats in Europe thought of finding new lands
yep..
 
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[thread="631174"]A GREAT READ if you have the time MRMARCUS and anyone else interested in finding out why solving the black community isn't just as simple as do better.[/thread]
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[thread="631174"]Might need to make a separate thread[/thread]

I really think we do need another thread aside from this and the black consciousness thread. Thanks for the article, I'll read it on the way home.

Edit: Just read the article and i commend those that decided to incorporate and do for themselves, but like the article said, author and money coming in, it was doomed to fail. I guarantee that within the next 10 years, property in that area will be snatched up.
 
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