So now that G-Unit is back together..

Uncle Thomas said:
cant just blame the parents because most teens get curious and start experimenting with drugs and alcohol because a rapper is glorifying it
 cant blame the parents for peer pressure and these kids wanting to fit in 

cant tell me wiz in his prime didnt have kids out here thinking its cool to be a pot head because he was glorifying it
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Yup because teens never did that prior to rap. Spot on observation. I swear people love to blame raps for all of life's ills. It's such a tired argument.

****** parents make ****** kids. But hey, if you truly want to blame rap then don't let your kids listen to it.
 
rap is the most influential genre in the world, but lets not blame it 
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Uncle Thomas said:
rap is the most influential genre in the world, but lets not blame it :rolleyes
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You not going to win this argument with most. We all grew up on it and are so desensitized that we blindly defend it. most people instantly fall back to the "well I never did it" argument.

Back to the topic, these ****** are 40 years old. That's not silly to Yall?
 
Uncle Thomas said:
rap is the most influential genre in the world, but lets not blame it :rolleyes
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WWE, Call of Duty/First person shooter games, Mafioso/Crime Films, Crime Drama Series, Breaking Bad, etc. do the some. More crimes have been motivated from movies and video games than hip-hop. Sit down somewhere. I'm 27 years old, listened to Kool G Rap, NWA, Too Short. Heck, my mom (who had me at 19) gave me the freedom to do whatever I wanted. I watched New Jack City when I was like 5 years old. I've only smoked once in life, ever. In 2006. I don't drink alcohol either. I never had any desire to smoke, drink, or maliciously harm someone. I never had desire to sell dope either. People are sheep and have no integrity, if they constantly compromise themselves, over, and over, just to "fit" in.
 
Finessence said:
WWE, Call of Duty/First person shooter games, Mafioso/Crime Films, Crime Drama Series, Breaking Bad, etc. do the some. More crimes have been motivated from movies and video games than hip-hop. Sit down somewhere. I'm 27 years old, listened to Kool G Rap, NWA, Too Short. Heck, my mom (who had me at 19) gave me the freedom to do whatever I wanted. I watched New Jack City when I was like 5 years old. I've only smoked once in life, ever. In 2006. I don't drink alcohol either. I never had any desire to smoke, drink, or maliciously harm someone. I never had desire to sell dope either. People are sheep and have no integrity, if they constantly compromise themselves, over, and over, just to "fit" in.
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do you have the stats to make the claim more crimes have been made from movies and video games than hip hop?

and stop comparing your experiences to the rest of the world, thats not how things work

youth can be easily influenced by rap because they dont take it as just entertainment, just how they think all the "real" rappers are the ones that talk about guns and drugs and rappers like drake cole and kendrick "soft and not bout it" because they dont rap about that
 
Uncle Thomas said:
do you have the stats to make the claim more crimes have been made from movies and video games than hip hop?

and stop comparing your experiences to the rest of the world, thats not how things work

youth can be easily influenced by rap because they dont take it as just entertainment, just how they think all the "real" rappers are the ones that talk about guns and drugs and rappers like drake cole and kendrick "soft and not bout it" because they dont rap about that
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Do you have stats to back up, the arguement that more crimes are motivated by hip hop, than anything else? "Comparing your experiences to the rest of the world, that's not how it works", silly, you just contradicted yourself. You're making more generalizations than myself. "Kendrick and J. Cole, soft, but not bout it" is generalizing. I listen to both, I think Kendrick and K. Cole would stand their ground, if confronted with combat. Plenty rappers have talked about guns, toted them, etc. Plenty have been killed, pistol whipped, and even the "hardest" most "talkative/blappermouthed" individuals have gotten whooped in altercations, that is a universal fact.

I was a "youth/young" hip hop fan within the past 8-15 years ( 12 years in age, up to my early 20s) (I am 27 now) the same topic, had been had. I remember Eminem getting criticism. 50 cen, 2pac, etc. I can go on and on. I gave you proof that your hypothesis wrong and dispelled your information.
 
Finessence said:
WWE, Call of Duty/First person shooter games, Mafioso/Crime Films, Crime Drama Series, Breaking Bad, etc. do the some. More crimes have been motivated from movies and video games than hip-hop. Sit down somewhere. I'm 27 years old, listened to Kool G Rap, NWA, Too Short. Heck, my mom (who had me at 19) gave me the freedom to do whatever I wanted. I watched New Jack City when I was like 5 years old. I've only smoked once in life, ever. In 2006. I don't drink alcohol either. I never had any desire to smoke, drink, or maliciously harm someone. I never had desire to sell dope either. People are sheep and have no integrity, if they constantly compromise themselves, over, and over, just to "fit" in.
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OG LIL NUT said:
most people instantly fall back to the "well I never did it" argument.
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Called it.

Also, with all of those other things you named and rap artists...is that there's a clear differentiation between fact and faction...where rappers blur those lines. Al Pacino doesn't really want you to believe that he's Al Scarface. The Migos really want you to believe that they are what they say they are. Wesley Snipes isn't really engaging in shootouts when the cameras aren't rolling. He doesn't have to check in with gangsters and keep an entourages of "shooters" when he travels

At the end of the day, I don't know how as a black man, you can look at yourself in the mirror and say that something that happens in real life at epidemic levels is somehow "entertainment" when a beat is behind it.

We are the only ones stupid enough to let that happen. Not a single group on this planet would a) allow that and b) actually justify it.

I'll admit. Dope music is dope music. Sonically, all music resonates. But I would be a got damn fool if I say up and said that the music has no effect on my people. I lost a brother, two uncles, and a countless amount of my peers to a lifestyle that ****** actually glorify. I got so many of my family members in prison to sit up and say that music that promotes prison culture is somehow just "entertainment".

Miss me with that ****. Don't be a dummy. Think about your people and not just yourself. I did a lot dirt that I'm trying to atone for and make things right and try to help fix my people. Yall ****** need to wake up.

Say you like the music. Stop blindly justifying something you know is ****** up.
 
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OG LIL NUT said:
Called it.

Also, with all of those other things you named and rap artists...is that there's a clear differentiation between fact and faction...where rappers blur those lines. Al Pacino doesn't really want you to believe that he's Al Scarface. The Migos really want you to believe that they are what they say they are. Wesley Snipes isn't really engaging in shootouts when the cameras aren't rolling. He doesn't have to check in with gangsters and keep an entourages of "shooters" when he travels

At the end of the day, I don't know how as a black man, you can look at yourself in the mirror and say that something that happens in real life at epidemic levels is somehow "entertainment" when a beat is behind it.

We are the only ones stupid enough to let that happen. Not a single group on this planet would a) allow that and b) actually justify it.

I'll admit. Dope music is dope music. Sonically, all music resonates. But I would be a got damn fool if I say up and said that the music has no effect on my people. I lost a brother, two uncles, and a countless amount of my peers to a lifestyle that ****** actually glorify. I got so many of my family members in prison to sit up and say that music that promotes prison culture is somehow just "entertainment".

Miss me with that ****. Don't be a dummy. Think about your people and not just yourself. I did a lot dirt that I'm trying to atone for and make things right and try to help fix my people. Yall ****** need to wake up.

Say you like the music. Stop blindly justifying something you know is ****** up.
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Please. Look up the story of Lionel Tate. He was a kid, in my home state of Florida, who they were going to try and give him an adult prison sentence, for what? He body slammed and killed a little girl, trying to re-enact a wrestling move he'd seen on TV. I'm not justifying any violence, or homicidal tactics. You've got Black PARENTS some, who are more concerned about ripping and running the streets. Than educating their children, or even knowing their whereabouts. Some don't even know the conditions of their childs schools. Black youth would be better off homeschooled, or taught in a setting amongst themselves, which is conducive to positive learning. Some are more concerned about drama and ignorance, but turn the other cheek, at things that can help us. Oh, and I have 3 cousins, all in my age range, doing prison time. I had an uncle, a mentor, die at 33 years of age due to a drug overdose, leaving 10 kids behind. Another elder cousin, who beat armed robbery charges. Don't tell me what I "Know".

Stop acting as if you're the only one trying to atone. Many of us are. You still have TONS of others who know, are aware, but do not want to be ACCOUNTABLE because they seek to keep their pockets fat, and luxuries rolling in.

"Selling that stuff in your neighborhoods, you killing your own people!" ...
 
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You bringing up these isolated incidents as a rebuttal isn't helping your argument. Millions of kids aren't dying at genocidal levels from wrestling move re-enactments.

News flash...the black family has been fractured. Of course there are issues with parenting and education. So with that said, why are you so willing to defend violent messages coming from people that don't even own the industry of which they operate in? The music business is ran by people outside of your culture who care nothing about how the music effects society and only about the profit they net from it.

So no, rap is not the sole problem. In fact rap, once had us going in a different direction. It got flipped by people who mean you much harm...and you're sitting here defending them. They stole your culture, weaponized it and gave it back to you, and you're applauding them.
 
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Your parents are supposed to set the foundation for you. If they do a good enough job, movies, TV, and music with rappers "blurring lines" shouldn't be enough take you over to the point of doing things you wouldn't normally do. I think the biggest issue is that the negative influence is spot-lighted on a massive scale. And though radio doesn't have the influence it used to have, for a long time now, the large corporations have been controlling the radio, even if now do to all the sharing sites you can find anything you want of your choosing. If these companies cared about balance of content, you would get more than just what you hear now on the radio. Companies hone in on whatever is poppin, and they'll push that to the forefront, with every once and awhile a J.Cole or Kendrick Lamar will break through. Sure, your environment is a big factor of influence, but you getting a great foundation built early on is your best case of curbing the bad influences. Just like a kid's education, if you are steadfast in building on it, that makes it easier on them (and yourself) later on. If you slack on it, you'll have a Chief Keef or Rondo Numba 9.
 
Man at the end of the day...it's simple. A culture we created got blitzed by corporations who sought to up the prison rate and take in dough. Miss me with the entertainment ****. the **** they rapping is happening every night in our communities.

I haven't seen tony Montana, a T-2 cyborg, or none of that other **** on my block. I see the **** ****** is documenting in "trap music" every night. I see ****** promoting the wackest **** which leads to death and prison like that **** is cool. This things a lot deeper than parenting.

No need to discuss further. Like I said, I can admit when some ignorant **** sounds good and the song knocks....but I ain't bout to sit up here and excuse the message and say "well the parents blah blah blah".

Yall do yall tho

One last thing, if anyone believes that it's not possible for music to influence the masses...read this and get back to me https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_control_of_the_music_medium
 
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music influences people in the worst form, yet people are stll trying to defend the wrong doings of it. artists like Chief Keef and all that other poison put more kids in jail that music that Kendrick Lamar or a J. Cole made.
 
"it starts with the parents" but every time a chicago or inner city kid is killed, the first thing a parent says is "he was a good kid"

these kids out here live a double life, portray a good image at home but are totally different people on social media and around friends

before lil wayne the only rappers glorifying lean were from houston, now almost every rapper is sippin lean and now a bunch of kids sippin lean because of future, thug, migos etc glorifying it

hip hop got our women showcasing their ASSets all over the internet for strangers because being a "bad *****" is the only way they feel accepted

got them getting all this surgery because thats what a "bad *****" looks like

but it starts with the parents because the parents can control these kids forever right?
 
I feel you but I wanna be careful to point that it isn't hip-hop that's the problem. Hip-hop is a science, that's why pop culture is running on it.

It's this corporate version of hip-hop and the people that are running it. Every tool can be used to build or destroy. They using ours to destroy right now.

I think the reason there's so much back and forth about this is because people have emotional attachment to their favorite artists and look at criticism as an attack on the rappers. No. Rappers are just pawns. I'm asking people to direct their attention to the puppet masters. If you can defend their actions then you have no soul just like them.
 
OG LIL NUT said:
Called it.

Also, with all of those other things you named and rap artists...is that there's a clear differentiation between fact and faction...where rappers blur those lines. Al Pacino doesn't really want you to believe that he's Al Scarface. The Migos really want you to believe that they are what they say they are. Wesley Snipes isn't really engaging in shootouts when the cameras aren't rolling. He doesn't have to check in with gangsters and keep an entourages of "shooters" when he travels

At the end of the day, I don't know how as a black man, you can look at yourself in the mirror and say that something that happens in real life at epidemic levels is somehow "entertainment" when a beat is behind it.

We are the only ones stupid enough to let that happen. Not a single group on this planet would a) allow that and b) actually justify it.

I'll admit. Dope music is dope music. Sonically, all music resonates. But I would be a got damn fool if I say up and said that the music has no effect on my people. I lost a brother, two uncles, and a countless amount of my peers to a lifestyle that ****** actually glorify. I got so many of my family members in prison to sit up and say that music that promotes prison culture is somehow just "entertainment".

Miss me with that ****. Don't be a dummy. Think about your people and not just yourself. I did a lot dirt that I'm trying to atone for and make things right and try to help fix my people. Yall ****** need to wake up.

Say you like the music. Stop blindly justifying something you know is ****** up.
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Oh we have us a reformed knucklehead here. A new conscious brotha. What up Sharif? Listen, just because you made stupid decisions doesn't mean the rest of us did. Simple as that. Stop trying to apply your poor behavior to the rest of us. A lot of us are able to separate fact from fiction. I've been doing it all my life. But keep fighting the good fight Sharif. Black power.
 
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Damn I wish I had quoted you. Oh well. Good chatting with you Sharif.
 
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