Another Hashtag.. Police officer shoots man to death in Cincinnati traffic stop

GWAP said:
cubanref said:
 
GWAP said:
 

wrong....

everything about this situation was legit until the cop pulled the trigger.
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So you were ok with the officer pulling his gun out? How was that legit in this situation?
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yes, I'm ok with an officer unholstering his weapon when a suspect refuses to identify and is attempting to flee....

The highest chance of an officer being assaulted/killed is when a suspect is trying to prevent an arrest.

Using the firearm should only be done when the actual threat presents itself... 
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At what point did the victim produce a weapon?
At what point did the victim threaten the officer?
At what point was the officers life in imminent danger?
At what point did the threat present itself for the officer to even pull out his weapon?
So refusing to identify myself and attempting to flee gives the police the authority to take out their gun and point it to my head?
 
cubanref said:
 
GWAP said:
 
cubanref said:
 
GWAP said:
 

wrong....

everything about this situation was legit until the cop pulled the trigger.
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So you were ok with the officer pulling his gun out? How was that legit in this situation?
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yes, I'm ok with an officer unholstering his weapon when a suspect refuses to identify and is attempting to flee....

The highest chance of an officer being assaulted/killed is when a suspect is trying to prevent an arrest.

Using the firearm should only be done when the actual threat presents itself... 
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At what point did the victim produce a weapon?
At what point did the victim threaten the officer?
At what point was the officers life in imminent danger?
At what point did the threat present itself for the officer to even pull out his weapon?
So refusing to identify myself and attempting to flee gives the police the authority to take out their gun and point it to my head?
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wait.... officers can only draw weapons AFTER their life is in danger.....

wow......lol... so an officer would have to wait until a suspect aims a weapon at them before they can unholster their gun?

the extremes....
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GWAP said:
cubanref said:
 
GWAP said:
 
cubanref said:
 
GWAP said:
 


wrong....

everything about this situation was legit until the cop pulled the trigger.
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So you were ok with the officer pulling his gun out? How was that legit in this situation?
Click to expand...
yes, I'm ok with an officer unholstering his weapon when a suspect refuses to identify and is attempting to flee....


The highest chance of an officer being assaulted/killed is when a suspect is trying to prevent an arrest.


Using the firearm should only be done when the actual threat presents itself... 
Click to expand...


At what point did the victim produce a weapon?

At what point did the victim threaten the officer?

At what point was the officers life in imminent danger?

At what point did the threat present itself for the officer to even pull out his weapon?

So refusing to identify myself and attempting to flee gives the police the authority to take out their gun and point it to my head?
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wait.... officers can only draw weapons AFTER their life is in danger.....:rolleyes

wow......lol... so an officer would have to wait until a suspect aims a weapon at them before they can unholster their gun?

the extremes....:lol:
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Why are you going to extremes and where did I even say after their lives are in danger? My questions are about this situation...

Don't change my post around and make it what you want to hear...:rolleyes
 
cubanref said:
 
GWAP said:
 
cubanref said:
 
GWAP said:
 
cubanref said:
 
GWAP said:
 


wrong....

everything about this situation was legit until the cop pulled the trigger.
Click to expand...


So you were ok with the officer pulling his gun out? How was that legit in this situation?
Click to expand...
yes, I'm ok with an officer unholstering his weapon when a suspect refuses to identify and is attempting to flee....


The highest chance of an officer being assaulted/killed is when a suspect is trying to prevent an arrest.


Using the firearm should only be done when the actual threat presents itself... 
Click to expand...

At what point did the victim produce a weapon?

At what point did the victim threaten the officer?

At what point was the officers life in imminent danger?

At what point did the threat present itself for the officer to even pull out his weapon?

So refusing to identify myself and attempting to flee gives the police the authority to take out their gun and point it to my head?
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wait.... officers can only draw weapons AFTER their life is in danger.....
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wow......lol... so an officer would have to wait until a suspect aims a weapon at them before they can unholster their gun?

the extremes....
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Why are you going to extremes and where did I even say after their lives are in danger? My questions are about this situation...

Don't change my post around and make it what you want to hear...
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lol.... a suspect who is non-compliant and in a vehicle and is attempted to evade arrest...

That is reason enough to unholster the sidearm incase the situation takes a violent turn....

what does the suspect showing a weapon have to do with anything?

the suspect has to draw his weapon first?

the officer has to be in imminent danger BEFORE unholstering the sidearm? lol

you are not even paying attention to your own argument

felony stops = sidearm out

evading arrest in a vehicle = felony.......
 
GWAP said:
cubanref said:
 
GWAP said:
 
cubanref said:
 
GWAP said:
 
cubanref said:
 
GWAP said:
 



wrong....

everything about this situation was legit until the cop pulled the trigger.
Click to expand...




So you were ok with the officer pulling his gun out? How was that legit in this situation?
Click to expand...
yes, I'm ok with an officer unholstering his weapon when a suspect refuses to identify and is attempting to flee....



The highest chance of an officer being assaulted/killed is when a suspect is trying to prevent an arrest.



Using the firearm should only be done when the actual threat presents itself... 
Click to expand...


At what point did the victim produce a weapon?


At what point did the victim threaten the officer?

At what point was the officers life in imminent danger?


At what point did the threat present itself for the officer to even pull out his weapon?


So refusing to identify myself and attempting to flee gives the police the authority to take out their gun and point it to my head?
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wait.... officers can only draw weapons AFTER their life is in danger.....:rolleyes


wow......lol... so an officer would have to wait until a suspect aims a weapon at them before they can unholster their gun?


the extremes....:lol:
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Why are you going to extremes and where did I even say after their lives are in danger? My questions are about this situation...


Don't change my post around and make it what you want to hear...:rolleyes
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lol.... a suspect who is non-compliant and in a vehicle and is attempted to evade arrest...

That is reason enough to unholster the sidearm incase the situation takes a violent turn....

what does the suspect showing a weapon have to do with anything?

the suspect has to draw his weapon first?

the officer has to be in imminent danger BEFORE unholstering the sidearm? lol

you are not even paying attention to your own argument

felony stops = sidearm out
evading arrest in a vehicle = felony.......
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Was this a felony stop?

Edit: He did not evade in a vehicle...he lost bodily control after he shot him...the officer put the gun to his head before he could even run

Where was the training these officers have to diffuse a situation peacefully, pepper spray, tasers? He was not threatening anyone with his demeanor. So the police officers that got into a brawl in a parking lot with 2 families didn't pull weapons on them until one of them tried to take his gun from a police office. But a guy in his car that is calm and non-threatening gets head blown off point blank because he was not cooperating with the police officer. Seems about right...

This is why there are so many unarmed shootings by police officers because they can claim " I feared for my life" at any time...All you have to do is look the part for a police officer and he can say he was scared for his life...you can probably just mean mug a cop and he can shoot you because he was scared...

Man I'm not even gonna continue...We must have seen 2 very different videos :lol:
 
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^^^ stop wasting your time my dude.

This dude tries to flip stuff around and interpret law, news articles to his liking man.

This was not a felony stop, the individual wasn't a suspect of a felony thus, the cop didn't have the right to pull out and use force.

SMH .....

He avoided every question and reply with unsubstantiated fallacies.

Come on bruh ..
 
cubanref said:
 He did not evade in a vehicle...he lost bodily control after he shot him...the officer put the gun to his head before he could even run

 
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hmm....

car is off and parked at beginning of video

Guy reaches and turns ignition

( car has to be in park for ignition to turn)

guy gets shot and car moves forward.

(he had to hold the brake down and shift into drive for the car to move)

so the suspect was attempting to flee before he was shot...

the car wasn't just sitting in drive with the engine on during the whole stop

it became a felony stop as soon as his attempts to flee were noticed...

his attempt to flee started with reaching toward and turning the ignition

like i said... the stop was legit until the cop shot dude....

having the weapon drawn was a precaution for the cops safety

the cop did not have reason to shoot... but he had reason to unholster his weapon
 
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GWAP said:
hmm....

car is off and parked at beginning of video
Guy reaches and turns ignition
( car has to be in park for ignition to turn)
guy gets shot and car moves forward.
(he had to hold the brake down and shift into drive for the car to move)

so the suspect was attempting to flee before he was shot...
the car wasn't just sitting in drive with the engine on during the whole stop

it became a felony stop as soon as his attempts to flee were noticed...
his attempt to flee started with reaching toward and turning the ignition

like i said... the stop was legit until the cop shot dude....
having the weapon drawn was a precaution for the cops safety

the cop did not have reason to shoot... but he had reason to unholster his weapon
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know the law homie ... You sounding very ignorant. You quick to write know the law but don't know ish .. LoL

I guess cops are allowed to draw and use force on anyone that tried to allude them because they turned into felony ...smh


Sounding suspect ...

The cop didn't have no reason to draw his gun. Clearly he didn't have a reason when the victim went into the globe compartment, or when he was looking on the side of the seat, and around the vehicle but he had a reason when he try to bounce?

We know this because at all times we were able to see both the cops hand.

You suspect B ...
 
Keko Jones said:
 I guess cops are allowed to draw and use force on anyone that tried to allude them because they turned into felony ...smh


Sounding suspect ...

The cop didn't have no reason to draw his gun. Clearly he didn't have a reason when the victim went into the globe compartment, or when he was looking on the side of the seat, and around the vehicle but he had a reason when he try to bounce?

We know this because at all times we were able to see both the cops hand.

You suspect B ...
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lol...

going into the glove compartment = not attempting to evade arrest

looking at side of seat = not attempting to evade arrest

not producing ID while trying to turn on vehicle and shift into drive = attempting to evade arrest

drawing their weapon is done 100% of the time they are dealing with a felony stop....

that stop turned into a felony stop... period....

how many times do I have to prove you wrong in this thread?

once again... everything was legit until the cop pulled the trigger
 
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GWAP said:
lol...

going into the glove compartment = not attempting to evade arrest
looking at side of seat = not attempting to evade arrest
not producing ID while trying to turn on vehicle and shift into drive = attempting to evade arrest

drawing their weapon is done 100% of the time they are dealing with a felony stop....

that stop turned into a felony stop... period....

how many times do I have to prove you wrong in this thread?

once again... everything was legit until the cop pulled the trigger
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you haven't proved me wrong once ... People are looking at you sideways ...

This wasn't a felony stop .... Stop it .....

My point clearly is that the only time the cop was in danger was when the victim was going around looking for stuff in his car. When he tried to flea the cop wasn't in danger ....

Felony stop .... For missing license plate and not having drivers license.

You clearly have trouble comprehending what people write.

It's cool bruh .. Go search for articles in Japan and UK to prove me wrong .. LMAO

I can link a bunch of videos of cops never drawing once when a person is fleeing. Maybe when they have cought up again but not when they initially flee.

PS please let me know what's first hand knowledge, please let me know the difference between knowing your rights and having jurisdiction or how they correleate, show me how many campus police have jurisdiction outside the campus in major metropolitan cities. After all this is what you said you prove me wrong on. Lmao silly rabbit.
 
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Keko Jones said:
 
GWAP said:
lol...

going into the glove compartment = not attempting to evade arrest
looking at side of seat = not attempting to evade arrest
not producing ID while trying to turn on vehicle and shift into drive = attempting to evade arrest

drawing their weapon is done 100% of the time they are dealing with a felony stop....

that stop turned into a felony stop... period....

how many times do I have to prove you wrong in this thread?

once again... everything was legit until the cop pulled the trigger
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you haven't proved me wrong once ... People are looking at you sideways ...

This wasn't a felony stop .... Stop it .....

My point clearly is that the only time the cop was in danger was when the victim was going around looking for stuff in his car. When he tried to flea the cop wasn't in danger ....

Felony stop .... For missing license plate and not having drivers license.

You clearly have trouble comprehending what people write.

It's cool bruh .. Go search for articles in Japan and UK to prove me wrong .. LMAO

I can link a bunch of videos of cops never drawing once when a person is fleeing. Maybe when they have cought up again but not when they initially flee.
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wait.... so if I get pulled over for a bad tail light... and I have somebody kidnapped in the trunk....

the stop is not a felony stop because the initial cause was a bad tail light?

are you saying that once the initial reason for the stop is established as a misdemeanor...

no circumstance arising out of that situation can turn into a felony?

dat sovereign citizen logic righdere

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GWAP said:
wait.... so if I get pulled over for a bad tail light... and I have somebody kidnapped in the trunk....

the stop is not a felony stop because the initial cause was a bad tail light?

are you saying that once the initial reason for the stop is established as a misdemeanor...

no circumstance arising out of that situation can turn into a felony?

dat sovereign citizen logic righdere

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people please look at NT extreme.

The reading comprehension is lacking.

SMH ... In order for it to be a felony stop, the officer has to suspect a felony have been committed ... What you are describing are clearly what if.

I never said thevstop couldn't turn into a felony if cause is presented.

SMH

This cat is of the chain ..
 
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GWAP said:
lol.... a suspect who is non-compliant and in a vehicle and is attempted to evade arrest...

That is reason enough to unholster the sidearm incase the situation takes a violent turn....

what does the suspect showing a weapon have to do with anything?

the suspect has to draw his weapon first?

the officer has to be in imminent danger BEFORE unholstering the sidearm? lol

you are not even paying attention to your own argument

felony stops = sidearm out
evading arrest in a vehicle = felony.......
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Wait... What? This was a felony stop cuz he had no front plate? It's an infraction at most. Most likely a fix it ticket. Evading arrest ... By not giving your id? By putting the car in drive but not moving? If an officer stops me and I start tying my shoes to run away... Was I also evading arrest? In which case the cop should shoot me in the head? You said the cop was right to unholster his gun if someone is noncompliant and the situation MIGHT TURN violent? IF cops could justify shooting fleeing suspects as I was afraid out would turn violent.. Why do you think they can't shoot someone in the back? You don't even try to make sense when you post
 
GWAP said:
wait.... so if I get pulled over for a bad tail light... and I have somebody kidnapped in the trunk....

the stop is not a felony stop because the initial cause was a bad tail light?

are you saying that once the initial reason for the stop is established as a misdemeanor...

no circumstance arising out of that situation can turn into a felony?

dat sovereign citizen logic righdere

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people please look at NT extreme.

The reading comprehension is lacking.

SMH ... In order for it to be a felony stop, the officer has to suspect a felony has been committed ... What you are describing are clearly what if.

I never said the stop couldn't turn into a felony if cause is presented.

SMH

This cat is off the chain ..
 
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TEKtheMAESTRO said:
Wait... What? This was a felony stop cuz he had no front plate? It's an infraction at most. Most likely a fix it ticket. Evading arrest ... By not giving your id? By putting the car in drive but not moving? If an officer stops me and I start tying my shoes to run away... Was I also evading arrest? In which case the cop should shoot me in the head? You said the cop was right to unholster his gun if someone is noncompliant and the situation MIGHT TURN violent? IF cops could justify shooting fleeing suspects as I was afraid out would turn violent.. Why do you think they can't shoot someone in the back? You don't even try to make sense when you post
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dude is just clueless man.

He trying to say that because the victim is about to book is automatically a felony.

The law clearly states that the only time a officer has the right to use force (deadly) is when a person has been stop do to a felony suspicion.

Fleeing might turn the situation into a felony, depends on the DA of course, is not grounds to use force if the cops didn't suspect a felony was committee or the stop wasn't because of a felony.

Like you stated, the suspect could try to flee for various reasons (suspended license, no registration, some recreational drugs, scared, etc). None are grounds for upholstering the weapon. Now, if the cop is in danger then is a different story.

This dude wants to throw bodies in the trunks, kilos in the back, high power rifle in hands. LMAO
 
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GWAP said:
 
wait.... so if I get pulled over for a bad tail light... and I have somebody kidnapped in the trunk....

the stop is not a felony stop because the initial cause was a bad tail light?

are you saying that once the initial reason for the stop is established as a misdemeanor...

no circumstance arising out of that situation can turn into a felony?

dat sovereign citizen logic righdere

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This post is all over the place lol
 
Keko Jones said:
 
TEKtheMAESTRO said:
Wait... What? This was a felony stop cuz he had no front plate? It's an infraction at most. Most likely a fix it ticket. Evading arrest ... By not giving your id? By putting the car in drive but not moving? If an officer stops me and I start tying my shoes to run away... Was I also evading arrest? In which case the cop should shoot me in the head? You said the cop was right to unholster his gun if someone is noncompliant and the situation MIGHT TURN violent? IF cops could justify shooting fleeing suspects as I was afraid out would turn violent.. Why do you think they can't shoot someone in the back? You don't even try to make sense when you post
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Fleeing might turn the situation into a felony, depends on the DA of course, is not grounds to use force if the cops didn't suspect a felony was committee or the stop wasn't because of a felony.

 
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wait.... you guys think unholstering a weapon is the same as shooting a weapon 
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GWAP said:
everything about this situation was legit until the cop pulled the trigger.
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hmm.. thought that distinction was the crux of my argument.....
 
GWAP said:
wait.... you guys think unholstering a weapon is the same as shooting a weapon :lol:


hmm.. thought that distinction was the crux of my argument.....
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no my dude the cop didn't have to upholster his firearm ... It serve no purpose in the situation at hand. He wasn't in harms way.

Your point is invalid. Again he didn't have to draw his firearm let alone point it ...

We ain't even talking about shooting.

Stop it.

Continue to play the neighborhood or resident specialist.

You in every single thread involving crime or excessive force acting like a pro.
 
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GWAP said:
lol...

going into the glove compartment = not attempting to evade arrest
looking at side of seat = not attempting to evade arrest
not producing ID while trying to turn on vehicle and shift into drive = attempting to evade arrest

drawing their weapon is done 100% of the time they are dealing with a felony stop....

that stop turned into a felony stop... period....

how many times do I have to prove you wrong in this thread?

once again... everything was legit until the cop pulled the trigger
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gamble said:
Wut.

You unholster when there is threat of imminent danger or aggression.
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dude is playing with words and using multiple replies to justify his post.

Look at his earlier post .... LoL dude is all over the place man.

Everyone know this was not a felony stop, this might of have turned felony the moment he tried to run which didn't happen. But even if he started moving forward that was not grounds to draw his weapon.
 
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felony stop = danger to a police officer

lol.. you guys arent using logic

like would they have guns after he flees and they catch him? yes

should they have guns drawn WHILE he's attempting to flee? yes
 
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keko would have told the officer he was out of his jurisdiction and drove off...lol
 
GWAP said:
felony stop = danger to a police officer

lol.. you guys arent using logic

like would they have guns after he flees and they catch him? yes

should they have guns drawn WHILE he's attempting to flee? yes
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I'm done wasting my time.
Dudes reading comprehension is atrocious.
 
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